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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:43 PM Sep 2020

Senate Democrats have already made their first move to slow down the chamber's operation.

Trump’s replacement of Ginsburg before the election, or during the lame-duck period if he loses the election, would be “illegitimate,” according to former Attorney General Eric Holder. Holder said Democrats should promise to add justices to the court if they win the presidency and the Senate in November.

“Everything should be on the table,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said on Monday.

Senate Democrats have already made their first move to slow down the chamber’s operation. On Tuesday afternoon, Democrats invoked the “two-hour rule,” which limits the time when committees may hold hearings while the full Senate is in session. The move caused some committees to postpone their hearings on Tuesday.

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The move to invoke the two-hour rule suggests Schumer is willing to go to the mat to stop or slow this nomination ― and, if that fails, to make McConnell and Republicans pay for the hypocrisy of pushing to confirm a new justice four years after McConnell invented a rule that ‘forbade’ him from considering then-President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick Garland.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supreme-court-senate-confirmation_n_5f6dfe7cc5b64deddeecee7a
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Senate Democrats have already made their first move to slow down the chamber's operation. (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2020 OP
Good. This is no-holds-barred defense. Laelth Sep 2020 #1
Esp meaningful, since she was the lawyer for Bush at the 2000 Gore/Bush election fracas dixiegrrrrl Sep 2020 #19
The Huffpost Article is extremely well-written and well worth the read. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2020 #2
TY ehrnst & Dems! Cha Sep 2020 #3
I think we should do everything possible to stop this nomination because what if the Senate Maraya1969 Sep 2020 #4
Absolutely no quarter! splunge63 Sep 2020 #5
There was no "rule" chriscan64 Sep 2020 #6
Fight with every ounce. Show them that Dems have had ENOUGH Miigwech Sep 2020 #7
Keep linking it back to Merrick Garland bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #8
Go to the mattresses! betsuni Sep 2020 #9
What happened to unanimous consent and "I object". McConnell and Rand Paul pull that all the time. George II Sep 2020 #10
I'm not sure I agree that we should announce our strategy "if tRumps fills this seat" robbob Sep 2020 #11
"to tamper with the sanctity of the SC" is not a valid rationale Lock him up. Sep 2020 #12
Number of justices has varied over time: Marthe48 Sep 2020 #14
That's the 4th easy rebutal. TY (no text) Lock him up. Sep 2020 #16
I thought it supports #3 Marthe48 Sep 2020 #18
Oh crap. They add "the sanctity of (fill in the blank here)" calimary Sep 2020 #20
Um...I was paraphrasing how tRump/rw media robbob Sep 2020 #24
Your point is a good one, robbob. Why should we tip our hand about how we're going to respond? calimary Sep 2020 #25
To you, and all who replied (above)... robbob Sep 2020 #21
I understand the concern, but everybody seems to forget the fact that... Lock him up. Sep 2020 #30
I agree with you. I don't think we should ever give away future, or potential future, strategy. soldierant Sep 2020 #22
While they are at it they should impeach Kavanaugh. LiberalFighter Sep 2020 #13
and impeach anyone who accepts this travesty Marthe48 Sep 2020 #15
I'll be waiting for some other woman or women to file against Kavanaugh in 2021, Boogiemack Sep 2020 #17
Welcome to DU, Boogiemack! calimary Sep 2020 #26
Removed how? dware Sep 2020 #31
That would make no sense right now. If we did succeed, that would be another nomination for DT. ehrnst Sep 2020 #29
Impeach him and then what? dware Sep 2020 #32
We will definitely need to pack the court if this goes through. It is my feeling that the... NNadir Sep 2020 #23
we are being asked not to use the word PACK the court. Grasswire2 Sep 2020 #27
Oh, OK. I don't know who's asking "us" but it doesn't matter. The court has been... NNadir Sep 2020 #28

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. Esp meaningful, since she was the lawyer for Bush at the 2000 Gore/Bush election fracas
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:47 PM
Sep 2020


Gore should have never conceded, as we now see all too clearly.

No more Mr./Ms. nice guy.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
2. The Huffpost Article is extremely well-written and well worth the read.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:54 PM
Sep 2020

I applaud our Democratic members of Congress for the moves they are considering against the hypocritical republicans.

We are overdue for aggressive action.

And this article shows just what we can do.

Maraya1969

(22,462 posts)
4. I think we should do everything possible to stop this nomination because what if the Senate
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:57 PM
Sep 2020

is lost because Russia stepped in somehow?

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
6. There was no "rule"
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:02 PM
Sep 2020

there was a cover story. McConnell did not have the courage to just come out and say directly why he was doing what he did. He did not care that we called him an obstructionist then, or that we call him a hypocrite now. If he had the guts to say what he's thinking now it would be "I'm a hypocrite with three justices on the court."

robbob

(3,522 posts)
11. I'm not sure I agree that we should announce our strategy "if tRumps fills this seat"
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:34 PM
Sep 2020

ahead of the election. I mean, yeah, grill the offered nominee relentlessly, raise a fuss, get outraged, by why on earth threaten the ReThugs with changing the makeup of the SC ahead of election day? It seems that’s just providing ammo to tRump. “You see what they want to do??? They’re going to tamper with the sanctity of the SC and expand and stack it with radical left wing judges” etc. etc.

I mean, yeah, sure, after the travesty of tRumps appointments of THREE right wing assholes, the last while RBG hasn’t even been laid to rest is more then enough reason to expand the SC, and I’m sure the general voting public will be on board with that, but first let’s use the outrage to gain control of all three houses so that this could become possible. Don’t give the other side ammo, and don’t reveal your strategies ahead of time. Focus on winning the election first!

Lock him up.

(6,919 posts)
12. "to tamper with the sanctity of the SC" is not a valid rationale
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:10 PM
Sep 2020
1- The SC is not "sanctified" in the Constitution.

2- The SC is just one of the three branches of government.

3- The Constitution does not define the number of nominees it has on the bench.


3 easy rebutals right there if the russiapublicans try it.

Marthe48

(16,904 posts)
18. I thought it supports #3
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:28 PM
Sep 2020

I remember the lectures in American history class with this information. Thank you for saying

calimary

(81,110 posts)
20. Oh crap. They add "the sanctity of (fill in the blank here)"
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:09 PM
Sep 2020

every damn time they don’t want us messing with something they want.

“... the sanctity of life...”

“... the sanctity of marriage...”

They LOVE that messaging that throws God into everything.

There is no “sanctity of the Supreme Court.” Last I looked, there was nothing about God or the sacraments or Holy ANYTHING regarding the Supreme Court.

Besides, last I looked, this was a SECULAR construct, in what was clearly and firmly established as a SECULAR government. “Sanctity” has nothing to do with it.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
24. Um...I was paraphrasing how tRump/rw media
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:29 PM
Sep 2020

Would possibly frame the issue to fire up their voters. Of course it has no basis in reality; does anything they ever say have much basis in reality? My point was, why announce possible future strategies and give them ammo to fire up the base using hysterical inflammatory language?

calimary

(81,110 posts)
25. Your point is a good one, robbob. Why should we tip our hand about how we're going to respond?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:45 PM
Sep 2020

Why on earth should we give the enemy a sneak-preview? Or a leg up on what we're planning? Or time to get a counter-strategy together?

NO WAY!

And we have to do a few bold moves, too. Crazy-bold. The kind where you don't ask for permission now, you ask for forgiveness later. Because it's not characteristic of our side, and the bad guys won't be ready for it. They're far more used to us Dems being pushovers.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
21. To you, and all who replied (above)...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:15 PM
Sep 2020

I was paraphrasing what tRump would say to fire up his base. It seems to me his base doesn’t have much concern for facts or history or logic. They are purely fueled on emotion. My point still stands: why announce your intention ahead of time? Do you think telling tRump that if he confirms a new justice weeks ahead of an election then you will expand the number of justices will do ANYTHING to deter him?

As I said (speculated), all it will do is give him fuel to fire up his base. It’s just a huge distraction. Let’s win the election and the senate, and THEN decide if changes are needed to the Supreme Court...

Lock him up.

(6,919 posts)
30. I understand the concern, but everybody seems to forget the fact that...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:42 AM
Sep 2020

their crazy base is now a minority and one that is shrinking every year, not growing.

The majority (us) is expanding. Easy to see who wants to abolish all safety-net programs, who blocks measures to counter climate change, who stops everyone from getting universal health care (and moreso in a pandemic), who lies about the deficits when once in power they couldn't care less about it and loot the Treasury for themselves and their deep-pockets donors. It's not rocket science.

I say go on the offensive and expose their wrongdoings over and over again. Use easy rebutals to counter their "holier-than-thou" hypocrisy over and over and over again. Don't be afraid: There are more and more of us than there are of them.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
22. I agree with you. I don't think we should ever give away future, or potential future, strategy.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:36 PM
Sep 2020

Maybe I'm paranoid - but why Give them time to prepare?

What they don't know has a better chance of succeeding. Hurried decisions are generally not as good as thought-out ones.

Like Gore's decision to concede, because no one had considered the possibility that Republicans might cheat with the vote counting. As an unprepared decision, it wasn't such a bad one. But it was wrong.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
17. I'll be waiting for some other woman or women to file against Kavanaugh in 2021,
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:26 PM
Sep 2020

he can still be removed.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
26. Welcome to DU, Boogiemack!
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:47 PM
Sep 2020

I was daydreaming about that same strategy earlier today!

I'd LOVE to see him removed. And replaced. Maybe Merrick Garland, for real justice.

dware

(12,250 posts)
31. Removed how?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:05 AM
Sep 2020

Let's be realistic, there is no way that we're going to get 67 votes in the Senate to convict and remove BoofBoy, it just isn't going to happen.

We need to expand the SC to balance out the cons. with good progressive SCJ's.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. That would make no sense right now. If we did succeed, that would be another nomination for DT.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:06 AM
Sep 2020

Why do you think that Congress didn't do it in 2019?

dware

(12,250 posts)
32. Impeach him and then what?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:06 AM
Sep 2020

There is no way that we're going to get 67 votes in the Senate to convict and remove him.

NNadir

(33,473 posts)
23. We will definitely need to pack the court if this goes through. It is my feeling that the...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:42 PM
Sep 2020

...obvious and blatant hypocrisy will hurt the Repukes very badly in this election, so badly that their party may end up dissolved.

Their hatred of their country and its Constitution needs to be addressed by all possible means.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
27. we are being asked not to use the word PACK the court.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:01 AM
Sep 2020

Please use "RESTORE" instead.

As in restoring proper balance.

NNadir

(33,473 posts)
28. Oh, OK. I don't know who's asking "us" but it doesn't matter. The court has been...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:09 AM
Sep 2020

...subject to clearly unconstitutional and unprecedented packing by the other side.

After this debacle of clear and unambiguous dishonesty, I fully expect that the Republicans, despite their politicization of the Supreme Court and destruction of Senatorial polity, will ever hold power again.

In this case, though I generally care about language, I don't care what it is called as long as it is done.

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