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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett
Not one. Why is that?
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Meanwhile former Lincoln Project personality George Conway had this to say:
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Response to melman (Original post)
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brooklynite
(94,502 posts)But May Dan anonymous blogger knows better?
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)a milestone post for me 27K. I will delete that post, particularly in light of the posts below. What who/is May Dan?
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)We should make no mistake: although "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," that arrangement is never more than temporary. Once Trump is out of the way, the Lincoln Project folks become our adversaries once again. Maybe not mortal, existential enemies like Twitler and his crew are, but still ideological opponents we will need to defeat if we're to make this country whole again.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's their money, and just because they spent it trying to defeat Trump doesn't mean we owe them anything.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)... because they like her and are cool with cramming this nomination in at this time. Am I right, or am I right?
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Better to not have an opinion at the moment while he has stepped out of the ring for now.
RandySF
(58,770 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)No one said they weren't lol.
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I don't generalize and blindly condemn a group of people simply because of their underlying affiliation. To me this isn't a laughing matter.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)I find them to be ignorant of real life. I have no respect for them. None at all. Fuck them.
George II
(67,782 posts)....you think they're "ignorant of real life", you "have no respect for them", and you say "fuck them".
That's a wonderful way to go through life.
By the way, they're both wonderful, generous people.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)We are not talking about your family or mine. The subject we are discussing is the fucking Lincoln Project. They want what the republican party wants. Fuck them. They allowed their party to become what it is.
dware
(12,363 posts)the majority of my republican trucker friends are voting for Biden/Harris, they too have had enough of the Mango Menace.
You hatred is blinding you to the fact that the Mango Menace is going to lose, in part because hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are going to vote for Biden, they just aren't telegraphing it.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)dware
(12,363 posts)get Biden/Harris elected, but your blind hatred of all things R is distorting your view.
Just my opinion.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)ten years ago. Now they should let it fucking die and start a new one. They don't impress me. Anyone who was going to vote for Trump after his first 6 months in office and has to be persuaded to vote for someone else or stay home and not vote for him can fuck off. Donald Trump is the fruit from the tree that they planted and tended.
dware
(12,363 posts)carry on and have a great Sunday.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)hey....
Fuck every Republican. Always.
There was a time when that wouldn't have been a controversial view here. But I guess things change.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)They can have their Republicans. To quote Bill Clinton, I wouldn't walk across the road to piss in their ears if their brains were on fire.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/
melman
(7,681 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and still want to argue anyway, that would make sense. Still waiting for you to name someone else Trump nominated yesterday that the tweet was talking about.
Link to tweet
I sense a goalpost being moved.
Response to Autumn (Reply #110)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)110. Republicans are nothing more than fucking Republicans, no matter what they do.
Expecting Republicans to save the nation is the height of delusional theatrics.
Link to where anyone has stated that They. We. Us... are "Expecting Republicans to save the nation" Where exactly was this stated? Then you go on to call DUers delusional and theatrical? Your words
Just stop.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)This group is fine with Trumps crazy ass SC pick. She's right up their fucking alley.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Biden needs to defeat trump. sanders revolution helped elect trump
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I think that ads like this ad are very effective
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I want to defeat trump. Support of former republicans help
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Again we need to defeat trump. That is all the matter. The Lincoln Project is helping to defeat Trump
Autumn
(45,056 posts)interested in what they have to say. I want to preserve women's rights, I'm pretty damn sure they don't. As we can see by their ignoring of their parties bullshit hypocrisy and their silence on the nasty, nutty Barrett woman SC pick . Not buying their shtick, they allowed the Republican party to become what it is. Fuck em. Too little too late. You can stand with them if you want. I won't.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)2016 showed that we cannot rely solely on the voes of progressive purists when we have people like Sarandon. Bri Brie and Moore willing to help elect trump
I welcome the support the Lincoln Project. The members of the Lincoln Project have burned some significant bridges and will never be welcomed back in the GOP in its current form. The Lincoln Project members have put country over party and are helping to defeat trump.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)Welcome Republicans all you want. I won't. Again. Fuck the Republicans. I don't intend to keep repeating myself so there is no reason to continue this conversation
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Hillary tried to warn us in 2016 the control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot and her warning was ignored by stein voters and sanders voters who stayed home
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even he admitted that he couldn't get out the youth vote.
I think we need to be focusing on keeping our most reliable voters on our team - and those are not independents and the youth vote. It's women of color, who chose Biden overwhelmingly.
A candidate running on the Democratic ticket can most certainly benefit from the weaponry provided by Republicans without welcoming Republicans, and not discouraging their supporters from sharing, and still call themselves the most progressive Democratic candidate ever.
In fact, I believe that's your opinon on said candidate.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I Remember all of the republicans who were voting for sanders in the South Carolina primary
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melman
(7,681 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's not and it doesn't.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I know it's hard to admit when one is wrong, but doubling down is really much more embarassing.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)sanders lost badly in South Carolina despite significant GOP cross over vote
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I also recalled what his response was.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-conservative-fanboys
betsuni
(25,465 posts)but I hope you respect the constitution." September 25th, 2020 appearance on Real Time
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I am glad that there are patriots who are supporting Joe even if they are republicans. Relying on sanders supporters like Brie brie, Nina truner and Susan Sarandon did not work last time
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Autumn
(45,056 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)You can rely on the support of Stein voters, Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon if you want but I like the endorsment of former GOP Govneror Tom Ridge
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Autumn
(45,056 posts)"Fuck em group" even if he is voting for his first Dem, I well Remember Tom Ridge. He can have his medal or a chest to pin it on. But I'm tired of your Republicans so I'm gonna use DU's best feature.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)when RBG is not even in her grave. I find it very offensive.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)That is sad but may explain a great deal as to why sanders did so poorly in the primaries. Rather than relying on Bri Brie Gray, David Sirota, Nina Turner and Sarandon, Joe has reached out to people like Cindy McCain and Tom Ridge. These two endorsements are meaningful in the real world and as a result Joe is in position to win Arizona and Penn.
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Relying on Gray, Turner, Sirota, Sarandon and Stein voters never made sense to me
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The "not even in her grave" part was priceless.
And agreeing with the Lincoln Project, who hates Trump, when they bash Trump is ONE AND THE SAME with agreeing with ALL Republicans and ALL their polices and.....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)
Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Trump is Satan
Paradise Lost in Washington, DC
Jeffrey R. Wilson
https://wilson.fas.harvard.edu/files/jeffreywilson/files/jeffrey_r._wilson_22trump_is_satan_-_paradise_lost_in_washington_dc22_2019.pdf
So that means you trust trump? I am confused here.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You're also racking up the count on false dilemma fallacies, as well.
When you run out of any logical responses in an effort to defend melman, but still feel a need to post anyway, I guess wild accusations are all that's left.
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Here are some facts from the real world about republicans who are supporting Joe Biden The endorsement of these and the other listed below are far more important compared to the support of Nina Turner, Bri Bie Gray, David Sirota, Susan Sarandon or some Stein supporters.
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Biden has won the endorsements of four Republican cabinet secretaries; Obama administration Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, and Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell and EPA Director Christine Whitman, who appeared at the DNC alongside Kasich.....
Carly Fiorina, a former Hewlett Packard CEO and GOP presidential candidate who was briefly the running mate of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), said she cannot support Trump and that elections are binary choices, while Meg Whitman, another Hewlett Packard CEO, said at the DNC on Monday that Trump has no clue how to run a business, let alone an economy......
A group of 100 prominent Republicans and independents, including Todd Whitman, former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, launched a group to campaign, run ads and pen opinion pieces on Bidens behalf.
A group of 107 former state attorneys general who endorsed Biden for his commitment to eliminate abuses of power and belief in common sense law enforcement includes six Republicans; Greg Zoeller of Indiana, Mark Shurtleff of Utah, Jim Jones of Idaho, Doug Baily of Alaska, Jeff Amestoy of Vermont and Jeff Pine of Rhode Island.
In the real world, these endorsements are meaningful
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"In the great state of Vermont, I got 25% of Republican votes"
"There are republicans, for instance who are concerned about the high cost of drugs."
Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)They have a story to tell.
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)progressives moderates, conservatives, come together to defend American democracy, our constitution, and the rule of law."
"If we together, all of us, Republicans, Democrats, Independents want to keep faith with the American ideals we hold so dear and with the sacrifices that so many made in order to protect our democracy."
Bernie Sanders, September 2020
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)You may want to rely on the opinions of Bri Brie, Nina Turner, David Siorta and Sarandon but I think that this ad is far more effective
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When they start spending money to support Trump policies and candidates, let us know, will you?
Pro Tip: You may want to review campaign history on a topic before weighing in.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/21/republicans-promoting-bernie-sanders-candidacy-embarrass-hillary-clinton/79088912/
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He refuses to acknowledge it. Perhaps he will accept information from a fellow Sanders supporter?
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OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Sanders spoke at a CNN town hall, where he referenced writing one of the most sweeping veterans bills in history with the last Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and working with Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) to end the U.S. participation in the war in Yemen.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/484455-sanders-says-idea-he-cant-work-with-republicans-is-total-nonsense
If Trump wants to develop a rational trade policy that demands that corporations start investing in this country instead of China, thats something that we can work on, he added.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bernie-sanders-says-work-trump-trade-policy
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450867-sanders-my-views-on-working-with-gop-a-little-bit-different-from-bidens
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)he spoke at Liberty University, founded by Jerry's father, to continue republican evangelical conservatism.
Why do you ask?
George II
(67,782 posts)....a Jewish High Holy Day.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"In the great state of Vermont, I got 25% of Republican votes"
"There are republicans, for instance who are concerned about the high cost of drugs."
Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate
mucifer
(23,530 posts)Link to tweet
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Specifically stating that coney barrett is a bad choice for trump for losing voters. she is too conservative.
Then there is this tweet:
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Thanks for the post.
👍
melman
(7,681 posts)Just 'priorities'. Okay.
JI7
(89,247 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)dealing with the Coronavirus crisis.
They are Republicans and never said they cared about every Democratic issue. However there are times they get something right. They know beyond a shadow of doubt that trump will in fact destroy America and they want him gone even if it means voting for Biden. I truly wish some folks felt that way in 2016. Democrats that could not bring themselves to vote for OUR Democratic candidate.
Here in MA we have Charlie Baker-R. He stood for our sanctuary cities, against trump policies on COVID, fought him on confiscated PPE we as a state purchased and has forcefully disagreed with trumps bullshit on mail in voting as fraud. I will give him credit for all that. I am fully aware he is a Republican, yet give credit where credit is due.
I will take help from any and every person that helps rid us of the evil of trump and those that enable him. I hope all Democrats are willing to do the same and not sit back and refuse to vote because our candidate, once again, does not excite or motivate them.
FrodosNewPet
(495 posts)We need to buy time, not fight for details.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It really lends credibility to one's arguments, doesn't it?
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Love all the facts that you have presented in the thread. TY as always.
One post here actually said they would believe Satan before a Republican. Me, I believe that trump and his legions are the devil's spawn. So one would ask, how exactly that works.
I guess the devil is in the details.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The way he put it, turning it into an abortion fight gets us nowhere.
He suggests making it about the Affordable Care Act - more likely to draw broader support.
JI7
(89,247 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and leaving that to the Democrats. Their mission is to defeat Trump because hes a danger to the nation and democracy , not to push M4A.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)mention any of those things, and weren't rejected by the candidate, of whom you have only ever spoken of in glowing terms.
Know your history before you "cry foul" about Republican $$$ going to help a Democrat....
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-conservative-fanboys
Cha
(297,154 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett
Not one. Why is that?
Yet they did.
Thanks, mucifer.
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)he "couldn't hear". What a vid.. and melania skulking away, too. With their Black Masks.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Tech
(1,770 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)dlk
(11,552 posts)That should tell you everything you need to know about the true nature of his character.
Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Their plot has been foiled!11
Seriously the totally irrational hate obsession with these guys by some here is so unintentionally hilarious I can hardly stand it.
I shall giggle about it for days and weeks to come.
andym
(5,443 posts)Many Republicans will like the idea of another conservative justice, so mentioning Barrett is counterproductive to their goal.
JI7
(89,247 posts)I don't think anyone is saying she isn't qualified. That's not really the issue here .
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Going after Barrett isn´t especially useful for that purpose. They have a particular, narrow mission which doesn´t necessarily include all the issues liberals are supporting.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Phoenix61
(17,002 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)We lack the votes in the Senate to defeat this, simple as that. The time to win this fight was in 2013 when RBG could've retired and had Obama replace her. Once we lost the Senate in 2014 it was likely something like this would happen.
Most Repubs - including most never-Trumpers - are going to want a RW justice like Barrett on the court. We can't fight them on this because it's a fight we can't win. Thus we must keep our eyes on the prize and get Biden elected, which is what they're helping us do. After that we can go back to opposing them ideologically and debating policy, but this election is more about saving democracy.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)HOWEVER, with the help of Lincoln Project this year there will be a 2024!! They will have helped save America and American democracy.
JI7
(89,247 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)mucifer
(23,530 posts)they have ads and billboards in swing states.
betsuni
(25,465 posts)Confusing it for something else.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Trumpism will still be alive even if trump is defeated in 2020. The members of the lincoln project know that they can not come home again https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-29/what-will-become-of-anti-trump-republicans
Its possible that some of them will eventually gravitate toward the Democrats. But its unlikely that theyll exert much influence over them. Party actors fight hard for power within the organization, and while its true that parties are permeable and new people enter all the time and can change policy positions and priorities, theres very little appetite among Democrats for this particular group of outsiders to wield significant influence.
My sense is that the group would be happiest with some sort of reformed Republican Party, but that they dont quite know how to get there from here. The obvious problem is that the more elections Republicans lose, the more the remnant in office will tend to be from the safest districts, which usually produce the most extreme politicians. And if, on the other hand, Republicans win this year or in 2022, theyll likely conclude that there isnt actually a problem to be solved. They may reach that conclusion even if they lose several consecutive elections as long as the conservative marketplace is still profitable.
So my guess is that ultimately the Lincoln Project will be a curiosity a marker of the deep dysfunction of the Republican Party, but not a group able to do much about it or to find a home elsewhere. Perhaps Im wrong and theyll be able to find a way out of the trap that Republicans have gotten into. I certainly hope so: Democracy in the U.S. requires two reasonably healthy political parties, both firmly committed to the rule of law, full citizenship for all and other important principles.
The members of the Lincoln Project has burned bridges. If trump loses then the remants of the GOP will be in safe gerrymandered seats and trump's base will be still be out there. The GOP will not longer be home to these members. trump may escape jail and I suspect that trump may end up with trump TV which will be attaking the members of the Lincoln group. The members of the Lincoln Project will not running against Democrats in 2024 becauase they wil have no home in what is left of the GOP.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)Someone seems to have awoken this morning in a mood to stir things up, and lo and behold, it worked.
The Lincoln Project people are fighting Trump in the blazing light of their burning bridges. They will have no home to go to when this is over. That takes guts.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Thes members of the Lincoln Project put the country over party and burned some significant bridges in coming out against trump. There is no way that these patriots will be welcomed back in the current GOP. It will take several election cycles for the GOP to hopefully purge itself of trump and his supporter if this can happen at all.
Cha
(297,154 posts)Celerity
(43,316 posts)in the 2022 mid-terms.
If we, as an overall methodology in our Democratic primaries, start supporting the type of newly-running Representatives and Senators that they approve of post 2020 elections, woe be unto us. There may be a few exceptions to that rule, but as an overarching path, it is doom for our party.
Tarc
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Even if one of them is slightly Trump-hating, they're both still conservative assholes,
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)The Lincoln Project is concerned that Trump will do long term damage to the power and control of the Republican party by tarnishing the image of the GOP and driving moderates and independents to the Democratic party for years to come.
So while Democrats and the Lincoln Project share a goal of defeating Trump it is for VASTLY different reasons. The Lincoln Project wants to defeat Trump to return to a more traditional (dogwhistle) GOP and so that a Republican candidate can win in 2024 and return to pushing regressive policies.
Enemy of my enemy and all that but nobody should have any doubt that the Lincoln Project is 100% in alignment with the policies of Trump they just don't like the way he is going about it.
JI7
(89,247 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)but they never said they were democrats. Heck they even said that they have issues with Biden too but that Trump was too dangerous. They said they would deal with that later. I have no problem having them on our side long enough to get that evil man out.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I don't get the point. Did Never Trump Republicans suddenly pretend to be liberals? Must've missed that.
JI7
(89,247 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)We know who they are, but many TRUE Democrats welcome their assistance in winning the Presidency.
betsuni
(25,465 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)
gulliver
(13,180 posts)Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)I imagine they think the judges are the only thing trump's done right.
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)I saw one of their live streams this week and they did say that the seat shouldn't be filled.
Edit: I also want to add that their position of not filling the seat has nothing to do with the nominee, the hypocrisy also left a bad taste in their mouth. They are not very satisfied with the Trump enablers.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sewa
(1,255 posts)This is a completely separate issue from the election but they still have to defend them.
Thanks melmen for standing up for Democratic principals
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)They have inside info. Some are still Republicans - some are not. They believe Trump is not a Republican. They are telling fellow Republicans- you can be a Republican and vote for Biden because Trump is very dangerous.
They are also disgusted with Republicans in Senate and House for enabling Trump. If they can convince their fellow Republicans to vote for Biden - thats a good thing.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I mean, if even insinuating that any Republicans have something positive to contribute is "attacking Democratic principles," what are you saying about Bernie????????
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14144244
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Yes. I think that's it.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)and she is exactly what they are looking for in a judge.
melman
(7,681 posts)Thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)and I hope that there are people who are truly on our side learning how to do cutthroat politics from them, becasue they WILL be back on the other side sooner than you think.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)thinking that they will stay on our side for long.
JI7
(89,247 posts)etc. There is no gaurantee they will be on "our" side .
In this case they made clear it's about wanting to defeat Trump so those who object to them usually do so because they don't like how they are effective in attacking Trump.
At least they aren't like those who claim to be on the left but do everything they can to help REpublicans win and mostly only attack Democrats.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)but Republicans are.
Got it.
JI7
(89,247 posts)to be progressive but their goal is to help Republicans win.
Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://lincolnproject.us/news/ginsburg/
spanone
(135,823 posts)I'm sure they support the Extreme Court justice.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)still Republicans?
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)They're also realists. Democrats do not have the votes for this fight. We just don't. The GOP is ramming this candidate through come high or high water. That's just the reality on the ground. If we (as Dems) focus entirely on this or dissect Barrett over her religious affiliation, her family, her whatever, we join in Trump's distraction of the moment. That's exactly what he and his enablers want.
I think Biden has the right approach. You underscore the unfairness and hypocrisy of the action because something like 56-58% of the American public believe this selection should be made by the election's winner. You emphasize what the selection means for women's rights, civil rights and the continuation of the ACA. And then, you go back to hammer Trump on his total failure in containing a pandemic that has cost 200,000+ American lives and is nose-diving the economy.
If the fight turns in a cat brawl over Barrett, the Republicans will gain ground. Which, of course, is what they want. We need to be smarter regardless of how aggravating the situation is.
I love ya, peggysue.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)misanthrope
(7,411 posts)Eyes on the prize, indeed. Carry on, good lady!
MizLibby
(289 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)replaced until a new president is installed,' a request that the Lincoln Project urges the Trump administration and U.S. Senate to honor."
This was posted on the Lincoln Project's website on September 20.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)Guess to some that means I'm going to marry the Lincoln Project, promise to love and trust them forever and ever.
Cha
(297,154 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)... is already taking on a tremendous endeavor to help defeat Trump. That is their stated purpose, and have been completely up front about it. Now people are expecting them to take on the whole goddamn load of every issue the Democrats have problem with? The last thing we need is to depend upon the Lincoln project to fight all of our battles. What kind of message does that send?
quickesst
(6,280 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)Thought that was just for people actually on the Left, Democrats. Apparently not!
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Most of us understand that under ordinary circumstances the Lincoln project would not exist. They would be Republicans being Republicans, but these are extraordinary times, and it is of mutual benefit to both parties to remove Trump from office. This is why the Lincoln project does exist. Everything else can be fought out, debated, or agreed to when this country has returned to some degree of normalcy.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)quickesst
(6,280 posts)Nothing beats logic, with a little dash common sense.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Senator Box Turtle is going to be very unhappy. This will be fun to watch
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
quickesst
(6,280 posts)....is doing a lot in the effort to remove a threat to democracy to our mutual benefit. In the case of John cornyn, he's directly attacking the members of the Lincoln project. I don't blame them one bit for firing back and blowing his ass out of the water. That the Democratic party benefits from a cornyn takedown is a nice consequence as a result of the Lincoln project defending themselves, however, it is not a consequence I feel we are somehow entitled to.
You take every vote you can get! What about voters who might vote for Biden but aren't on board with every progressive issue? Goodness, let's reject them too!
quickesst
(6,280 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The members of the Lincoln Project will have no home in the GOP
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)My reference is to Creepy Barrett. She's someone Lincoln project types have no problem with and wouldn't say shit if Rmoney or some other "polite" Rethug president nominated her.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Do you really think that any member of the Lincoln Project will be welcomed back to the current GOP. If trump wins, he will continue to attack the members of the Lincoln Project. If trump loses, the remaining members of the GOP will be in safe districts where the support of trump supporters will be key. The current members of hte Lincoln Project will not be welcomed
At some point, the GOP may decide to purge trump but that will take three or four election cycles. Right now, the GOP is trump's party and the members of the Lincoln Project will not be welcomed back to the GOP. The fact you think this is possible is simply wrong
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)None of this changes the fact they are fine with Amy Coney Island Hot Dog Barrett.
Have a nice day.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The members of the Lincoln Project are putting country over party by attacking trump and members fo the GOP senate such as Graham, Tillis, Cornyn and MoscowMitch. These members will not be welcomed back to the GOP
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Praising Amy Creepy Barretts abilities as a jurist.
But IM wrong.
bUT hEs nO lONgeR wiTH tHe LinCOLn pRoJeCT!
Uh huh.
Oh well.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Watch this video from the Lincoln Project or have someone else watch it and explain it to you
Link to tweet
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)There will be no quid pro quo, got that?
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Where did you get this rather amuising but wrong concept? Has anyone proposed this in the real world (JPR does not count as the real world)?.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Lol, fuck them too.
A lot of people have a lot of penance to pay. On all sides.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I can say that right? Or are you now going to reprimand me for lashing out at a valued ally?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)No one's going to defend strawmen that you set up and attack.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Reed Galen is against the idea of Trump nominating anyone.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)They will not criticize this wingnut who they'd be absolutely over the moon with if was Mitt Romney who picked her lunatic ass.
Unfortunately, "Galen" doesn't explain why Mitch McConnell was stinking up the joint when the wonderful George W Bush and Dick Cheney were in power too.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)than simply either simply saying "Got me there" or silence.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I assumed that's why you posted it. To "prove me wrong".
Does that come in some easter egg after the 7:55 that I wasted listening to some Republican upset he can't get a job because Trump didn't hire some adjunct member of the Bush family he can be "communications director" for?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Wow. Who knew that would make you so irate! I mean I assume you know where the goalpost was you're so invested!
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)"Binky" as slang means someone they covet, someone they've groomed, someone they see as a rising star. And Amy Creepy Barrett is someone they've been grooming since she clerked for Scalia.
But I'm sure all these members of the Lincoln Project always hated old Antonino and thought he always was an extremist.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)ecstatic
(32,685 posts)trump stacking the court potentially re-installs him again. It's like a vicious catch-22; therefore, they should make an exception this time and speak out against her.
But they won't.
And frankly, I don't think we should waste time attacking LP. They're not the problem right now.
trump, moscow*itch, graham cracker, etc are the problems.
Trump is the real issue. Vote him and his enablers out and deal with the court on the other side of this. LP is doing excellent work and as long as they help us defeat Trump I don't care.
lostnfound
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It would not help their cause of ridding us of trump. It would only lower their credibility in eyes of republicans they target with their message.
George II
(67,782 posts)...as pointed out halfway through the thread, so the entire premise of the OP, "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett", is false anyway.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)Tom Traubert
(117 posts)1) putting aside ideology, Barrett is imminently qualified to serve as a justice. You may not like her ideology, and I certainly dont, but her qualifications are beyond reproach.
2) a sitting President gets to pick the justice, and will nominate one with the ideology he favors.
3) the issue here isnt Barrett per se, its the way she is being nominated weeks before the election, where everything points to Trump losing in a landslide and there being a strong possibility that the Dems will take back the Senate. This, after the Republicans denied Obama his Supreme Court pick for the same professed reason almost 9 months before the 2016 election. But everyone knows the Republicans are playing unfair and there is no more mileage to be had from that.
4) There is nothing the Dems can do to defeat the nomination short of some major skeleton or scandal in Barretts life coming to light.
I think the Dems in the Senate should engage fully in the confirmation process. This women likely will be on the Court for some time and they should be respectful, act professionally and take the high road. They should use the confirmation process to shine light on her ideology and demonstrate how it will hurt rural voters in the hope that it will seal the fate of Trump and the Republicans. Biden likely will have at least one vacancy to fill, and perhaps two, during his Presidency. He and a Democratic Senate and House also can work to restructure the Court and perhaps the nomination process once in Office.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Project so not sure why this is posted as proof of anything.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Read your thread. What you should have said was, "I have not seen them do so."
Because they have mentioned Barrett.
Read your thread, starting with post #8.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Ask Lindsey if he thinks that the Lincoln Project approves of the process being used to cram ACB dwon our throats
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Using the Republicans' own words illustrates the issue very nicely.
George II
(67,782 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)What is interesting is that Trump just officially announced his appointment yesterday. Complaints about TLP not commenting started instantly, without any time allowed for them to actually comment, which they have at this point a day later.
Jumping the gun is not a good look, it seems to me. It ensures that you will be wrong.
George II
(67,782 posts)....some already started bashing Obama because he hadn't fulfilled all of his campaign promises yet.
I'm afraid for some, they'll never be happy.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Some of the same folks are still around. They come and they go, but always show up close to the election. Predictable.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)by posting too early for any commentary to be available.
melman
(7,681 posts)How long does it take to tweet? They've had several days at this point. But there's still nothing.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Before then, it was speculation. And there's not just nothing any longer. Read your own thread.
melman
(7,681 posts)See if you can find her name there.
spoiler: you won't find it
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Please let us know about them.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)other than Amy Comey Barrett?
Got it.
Link to tweet
But do tell us - what "Trump nominee" is the Lincoln Project talking about with power to overturn the ACA?
Seriously, it's way more embarrassing to double down than it is to simply say, "I hadn't seen that when I posted the OP, I'll edit it or delete it."
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Breathe.....
melman
(7,681 posts)Not me.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BTW - still waiting on what other "Trump nominee" in that tweet you're trying so hard to deny was talking about if not Barrett. One that has the power to overturn the ACA, to be specific. There were so many, weren't there?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Its that simple.
Why so shy about mentioning her name?
They don't have that problem with other names. Try searching their profile for "McConnell" or "Graham" and you'll see.
Yeah, it's a cute trick talking about "priorities" and "this nominee" in order to give the impression they really said something when they haven't.
But why not come out and explicitly say "we oppose the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett"?
Because they don't.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But do keep trying to copy and paste previous posts that don't answer the question instead, because that totally makes you right, and is not frantic doubling down whatsoever.
Your argument is moot if you can't even suggest who they were talking about if not the SCOTUS nominee Amy Barette - but do try to claim the tweet had nothing to do with the ACA again. That was fun.
Even Autumn has given up trying to come to your rescue.
BTW - absence of evidence does not = evidence of absence. That's the fallacy that you've been trying to prop up the most in your refusal to admit you are wrong. If everything is soaking wet outside with water dripping off the trees into puddles when you go out to get the paper, you can insist "IT DIDN"T RAIN LAST NIGHT" until you are blue in the face, but if you can't explain the water that's everywhere otherwise, no one is going to take you seriously no matter how loudly and how many times you repeat "IT DIDN"T RAIN LAST NIGHT"
melman
(7,681 posts)Already read it. Haven't seen it because they haven't done it.
They haven't.
Already did. Read my response to #8
George II
(67,782 posts)....demonstrated to be untrue.
melman
(7,681 posts)You can pretend that someone muttering something on a podcast is the same as the official Lincoln Project twitter account tweeting to their 2.2 million followers but I'm not required to play along. And I'm not going to because it's not the same. It's just not.
The Lincoln Project haven't said one word about Amy Coney Barrett. Still.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Because that would mean the claim in melman's OP is WRONG, and he's not doubling down by his flurry of responses.
And that just can't be!
They have been SILENT on the nomination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link to tweet
Cha
(297,154 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)of KNOWING who they are TALKING ABOUT!!!
There were SO MANY people that Trump nomiated this week, and ALL of them could have impact on the ACA so WHO COULD IT BE????
Cha
(297,154 posts)The fucking name wasn't mentioned. ROFL.
Supporters of a Democratic Candidate sharing Republican funded ads is JUST WRONG, you say?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Here is a good piece from the Lincoln Project that shows that you were totally and completely wrong in your claims.
Link to tweet
You should consider self deleting your OP
melman
(7,681 posts)It doesn't have one word about Amy Coney Barrett. Not one.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I mean there were SO many nominations by Trump yesterday... especially to positions where they could damage the ACA.
Right?
melman
(7,681 posts)Explicitly. They never did and I'll tell you why.
Because none of these ghouls support it or ever have. And that's a fact.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You are trying so hard to deny the existence of that tweet that you are refusing to read it!
"Were in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting conditions with this nominee.
Its that simple."
But I'll play your game. Who else was nominated by Trump even this week, that the tweet would be talking about, let alone that would be capable of overturning pre-existing conditions?
I sense goalposts being moved yet again....
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The video is about the GOP senate cramming Barret through the Senate.
melman
(7,681 posts)At all. Not even once.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)There were just SO many Trump nominees announced yesterday, and SO MANY could reverse protections enshrined in the ACA, right?
Its that simple.
Still waiting.
You know, it just looks worse and worse the more you keep frantically doubling down.
Simply saying, "I hadn't seen that tweet when I posted the OP, and I'll edit it or take it down," would do your credibility much more good.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The day before she was officially named as the nominee.
The tweet that's got you so upset was the day of the Trump nominating Barrett about Trump's nominee, and how it would affect the pre-existing conditions
But I'll play your game. What about that video indicates any support fior Amy Coney Barrett or that they are talking about only certain nominees being unacceptable for him to put forth? I don't hear them supporting her, just railing against the idea that he's nominating anyone...
But do tell us what nominee the Lincoln Project was tweeting about, and your assertion that they were not talking about her would make sense.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)Response to melman (Original post)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's not like Democratic candidates haven't knowingly been the beneficiary of $$$$$$$ worth of GOP media ads before, and it wasn't like the candidate told his supporters to stop sharing on social media.
Know your history befeore you rant about how Republicans kicking in monetary support for Democrats is UNACCEPTABLE and MUST BE REJECTED....
Case in point:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/21/republicans-promoting-bernie-sanders-candidacy-embarrass-hillary-clinton/79088912/
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Until then I do *not* care. Sorry. Trump RIGHT NOW is more important, the asshole dictator wanna-be.
George II
(67,782 posts)....they clearly address the rush to nominate a conservative, knowing full well who it was going to be, and the fact that it would be dangerous:
https://lincolnproject.us/news/the-choice/
The choice for Americans in this election could not be more clear, said Reed Galen, co-founder of The Lincoln Project. In their blind support of Donald Trump and his reelection, these Senators are no longer hiding that their loyalty is to the Republican party, not the American people.
The 60-second ad The Choice condemns Republican Senators for tearing the country apart in their unending quest for power and position. It admonishes their unchecked power in their attempt to remake America in Trumps image.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)demmiblue
(36,841 posts)I will gladly take their help for that reason alone.
Also, no on #160... just stop it, people. The obsession is so weird.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Good for them that they hate Trump.
I dont have to trust them.
When Democrats win the White House, Senate and House, we owe them NOTHING. Got that?
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)Who said you have to worship them? Certainly not me.
Maybe you responded to the wrong poster.
I can only see a third of the posts in this thread, so perhaps I am missing something.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Im guessing youre not noticing this?
Its great they hate Trump. Most people do. Should we give them a medal?
Love their ads. But they are not getting jobs next January 20.
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you tell us who is offering them jobs? I haven't seen ANYONE tweet that they are.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Your buddy Gothmog said they can't because they are shunned by their former conspirators. Hence spending all this money out of the pure goodness of their heart to help us hapless whiny Democrats that can't get out of our own way!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)someone in a thread.
Lulz.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's comic really.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hon, it's just not working. Nobody is bothering to defend against accusations that someone else pulled out of thin air.
anamnua
(1,109 posts)EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)Dont get too cozy with The Lincoln Project.
They just happen to be playing useful idiots at the moment; however make no mistake: they are not our allies.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)on his 4 years in office.
I have no doubt that some in TLP are anti abortion, and also some are pro choice.
Barrett is going to be confirmed to the SC, and there is nothing either you or TLP can do about it. Nothing.
The question then becomes, if you make this a shitfest on abortion, it will swing wavering Republicans back to the fold, cheering the GOP up.
However, if you make it about that Barrett will vote to kill the ACA, and pre-existing conditions, then you move the fight to a pitch that Democrats will be more than comfortable fighting on.
But Yay for ideological purity !
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Wow. Very interesting.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Still waiting for one of you to splain what Trump nominee the Lincoln Project was talking about in that tweet, since it CLEARLY wasn't about Amy Comey Barrett. Absence of evidence is TOTALLY evidence of absence, as they say.
Yeah, they're TOTALLY all about Trump nominating someone before inaguration.
Link to tweet
Response to ehrnst (Reply #262)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm praising all Republicans and all their policies? And want to offer them jobs! And have their Babies!!!!
Gee, calm down, will ya?
Still can't explain what Trump nominee that tweet was referring to if not Amy Comey Barrett, I see. I understand. There were just so many...
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Of course not, but because the OP clearly despises those in TLP for being republicans, none of the good work they are doing to defeat Trump will ever satisfy the OP. That was the context for the "ideological purity".
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)that come from people who aren't pure enough for my standards.
Fuck anyone who might help defeat Trump if they're the "wrong" people.
melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Doug Redecopp - no biography and 32 Followers
Kelli C - located in Ontario Canada
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)From Twitter itself:
Joe Biden has that badge, neither of these two very important people have it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So I don't see how his opinion is relevant to any discussion of the Lincoln Projects tweets from the last day or so, I think you'd agree. After all, George didn't even name the Lincoln Project in his tweet. So to assume that he's speaking for them is pretty silly, wouldn't you say?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513323-george-conway-says-he-is-withdrawing-from-lincoln-project
I suppose one other random guy on twitter who hasn't caught up with what's been tweeted TOTALLY shows that you're not alone in getting that wrong.
The Lincoln Project tweet must've been about some OTHER nomination that Trump made yesterday that has the potential to impact the ACA existing conditions clause, huh? Still sticking with that? Because they're SO supportive of Trump nominating ANYONE to replace RGB...
And I'll save you some embarassment - the video was from before the nomination, which is why it doesn't name her. It was their tweet that was right after her nomination about "his nominee" that you're trying very hard to deny. You're welcome.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Response to melman (Original post)
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George II
(67,782 posts)....in defeating trump and Republican Senators.
Is a "Welcome Back" in order?
melman
(7,681 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Thank you for the amusement
Quadrupling down on something once one has been corrected on a rather huge error is so much less embarassing than simply owning that one made a mistake, apparently...
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I am amused by these claims
That TOTALLY PROVES that the Nominee that Trump put forward the other day is NOT the Trump nominee that the Lincoln Project is talking about in their tweet.
But I still don't see anyone talking about who it is instead...
Your OP is COMPLETELY validated, because a few people on twitter can't explain it any more than you can. One of them seems to also be completely unaware that Conway left a month ago. It seems they are also unaware of what's been tweeted and released by the Lincoln Project.
But do splain how this supports the nomination of Barrett. We'll wait.
https://lincolnproject.us/news/ginsburg/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)1. The premise is incorrect, they HAVE mentioned Barret
2. All those "people" are anonymous or unverified on Twitter
3. Some of those unverified people are bashing Biden. Are you okay with that?
4. No one else really cares
betsuni
(25,465 posts)Oh dear. I distinctly remember someone insisting that posting a tweet means one of three things:
You visit that person's Twitter page
You follow that person
You follow someone who retweets that person
Why would anyone be okay with Biden-bashing?
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)We should only trust the poeple who voted for Stein in 2016 and shoulld ignore sources. The Lincoln Project has been very effective. This ad from the Lincoln Project is truly strong
Link to tweet
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I doubt that Lindsey Graham would agree witht the silly but amusing premise of the OP. The Lincoln Project has targeted and hurt Graham basedon this SCOTUS nomination
Link to tweet
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George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,465 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)People ARE noticing...the opposite of what your OP says concerning the Lincoln Project's video:
https://spectator.org/lincoln-project-attacks-barrett-nomination/
melman
(7,681 posts)meanwhile...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It's gotta be embarassing when even the Spectator figures out when a GOP SCOTUS nominee is being attacked, and you keep on doubling down that it's not true.
melman
(7,681 posts)I don't consider them a legitimate source in any way.
Am I embarrassed to hold that view? Not hardly.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....five days before the nomination. I respectfully recommend that you widen your search to all forms of media, not just Twitter.
melman
(7,681 posts)And guess what. There wasn't a single mention of Amy Coney Barrett.
And why do I search twitter for Lincoln Project statements? Because Twitter is their main platform where they have 2.2 million followers, and the place where they post all of their views and all all of their videos. As you well know.
And twitter is still the place where they have not mentioned the name Amy Coney Barrett. At All. Even once.
George II
(67,782 posts)....trump's nominees. As I pointed out, her name is among that "ANY". There currently are roughly 1700 Federal judges. Do you expect them to list each and every one of those 1700? To most people "ANY" would suffice.
melman
(7,681 posts)which is this: "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett"
Says so right at the top.
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)TOTALLLY irrelevant to your OP...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts).....(it's not from the American Spectator, they're just commenting on TLP's own words) in this thread a day or two ago. It was pooh poohed at the time and the denial was doubled down upon.
BTW, off the subject, I found this interesting thing about The American Spectator:
McSorley's Old Ale House on East 7th Street in NYC is less than a block from my college, and was the first bar I ever went to in my life! McSorley's even indirectly references my college (founded in 1859) with a sign painted on the front window "We were here before you were born" - they were founded in 1854, five years earlier!
Lots of history in that ale house, and lots of stories to go around.
Sewa
(1,255 posts)The TLP still hasnt said anything negative about ACB.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to ehrnst (Reply #318)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I hadn't heard that TLP had called her that - sharing a link to your source would enhance your credibility.
And here's some fawning adoration of her by TLP, wouldn't you say:
Link to tweet
Sewa
(1,255 posts)I will delete.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The Lincoln Project has been very effective
Link to tweet
Schmidt and seven co-founders launched the Lincoln Project last December in hopes of reaching out to other Republicans they believed were also unhappy with President Trump. "What we thought we could do is talk to those voters in the language and the iconography that they understand, connect with them, and persuade them, many of them, to vote for the Democratic nominee for the first time in their lives," says Schmidt.
Other co-founders of the Lincoln Project include Republican media consultant and author Rick Wilson; George W. Bush campaign veteran Reed Galen; and George Conway, Trump critic and husband of former White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway. "None of us will ever work in Republican politics again," Schmidt tells Stahl. "We joke that-- like some of the explorers who came to the new world, they were incentivized by the captain when he burned the ships " Asked whether his actions have cost him friends, he replies, "For sure. Of course."
The Lincoln Project made a name for itself with its numerous attack ads, released almost every day on social media. The ads go for the jugular. They have accused the president of being a draft dodger, disrespecting veterans, and failing in his response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Critics charge the negative attack ads are right out of the playbook used by President Trump. That's the plan, says Wilson, who is in charge of the advertising. "There's always a reflexive sort of, do-gooder instinct to say, 'Oh, I hate negative ads.' People do hate negative ads, but negative ads work," he says.
Gothmog
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Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Link to tweet
Lets begin by just saying it: The country owes the Never Trump conservatives a debt.
Yes, many progressives have been uneasy with these unusual allies. They insist that Trump was not some alien imposition on conservatism but rather the product of long-standing trends in Republican politics. Trafficking in racial division and racism, nativism, extremism, conspiracy theories and voter suppression did not start with Trump.
Progressives are entirely right about this. But the Never Trumpers deserve our respect precisely because so many of them stood against these tendencies and, in more cases than not, undertook a deeper critique of their own side......
Of course, Id like the anti-Trump conservatives to admit the error of their ways and fully join my side of politics. But failing that, I still appreciate what they did. And I hope at least they can now champion a brand of conservatism that is about more than making the rich richer and the powerful more powerful.