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The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett (Original Post) melman Sep 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Sep 2020 #1
I thought their focus was on winning the election. brooklynite Sep 2020 #14
It was late, I was tired and disgusted with everything. Ironically, that was rzemanfl Sep 2020 #131
+1 dalton99a Sep 2020 #31
They are trying to defeat trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #75
Basic lesson: Republicans gonna Republican... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #2
Who said anything about after the election? ehrnst Sep 2020 #285
I was wondering the exact thing. Miigwech Sep 2020 #3
If he said anything other than that, he'd be skewered. 2naSalit Sep 2020 #4
Yet Hekate Sep 2020 #5
They're running ads against Graham re. Barrett RandySF Sep 2020 #6
They are Republicans lol Autumn Sep 2020 #7
And.... sheshe2 Sep 2020 #48
They are Americans not-so-lol. George II Sep 2020 #66
Republicans are nothing more than fucking Republicans, no matter what they do. Autumn Sep 2020 #110
I know a number of republicans. Although we disagree on policy most are good honest people... George II Sep 2020 #120
When it comes to Republicans, I know plenty. I condemn them all. I find their hypocrisy laughable. Autumn Sep 2020 #121
Two of my brothers are republicans, so by extrapolation, even without knowing them..... George II Sep 2020 #129
Yeah, and 2 of my sisters are Republicans and I have cut those ties. You do what you want. Autumn Sep 2020 #132
..... ehrnst Sep 2020 #307
This is utter bullshit, dware Sep 2020 #137
We aren't talking about your trucker friends now are we. Unless they are part of the LP. nt Autumn Sep 2020 #139
I'm pointing out the fact that those disaffected R's and I's are what is going to dware Sep 2020 #140
I'm discussing the Lincoln Project and their party. The time for them to save their party was about Autumn Sep 2020 #144
Ok, whatever, dware Sep 2020 #146
You are a good friend defending melman's OP like that, despite it being debunked. ehrnst Sep 2020 #189
"Now they should let it fucking die and start a new one. " Which is what they have stated too, but OnDoutside Sep 2020 #276
Yes melman Sep 2020 #160
Seems too many Republicans get too much respect. That would never have flown in the past Autumn Sep 2020 #163
And.... we have the False Dilemma Fallacy! ehrnst Sep 2020 #191
We certainly do not melman Sep 2020 #194
Well, if you ignore the definition as frantically as you have avoided evidence that you're wrong, ehrnst Sep 2020 #213
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2020 #275
Well, you may want to let Bernie know... ehrnst Sep 2020 #282
Link please. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #305
The Lincoln Project is hitting the GOP where it hurts Gothmog Sep 2020 #76
Not interested in watching what Republicans say or do. Autumn Sep 2020 #111
I want to win Gothmog Sep 2020 #122
I'm already a Democrat, I don't have to be persuaded to vote for a Democrat. So I'm not Autumn Sep 2020 #123
We need votes from Republicans and former republicans to beat trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #126
No. We need to reach out to young people and Independents. Autumn Sep 2020 #130
Your plan failed in 2016 which is why we have trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #135
She was right about everything, damnit. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #166
You mean like Bernie did? ehrnst Sep 2020 #165
I remember Rove and GOP super pacs supporting sanders Gothmog Sep 2020 #175
Fox and Friends! melman Sep 2020 #176
Evidence that contradicts your OP! ehrnst Sep 2020 #179
Nope melman Sep 2020 #181
Yep, it is and it does. ehrnst Sep 2020 #183
Even with significant GOP support in South Carolina, sanders lost badly Gothmog Sep 2020 #188
Yep. And HRC asked Bernie to tell his supporters to stop sharing those dark money ads. ehrnst Sep 2020 #178
Bernie Sanders: "I'm going to reach out to Republicans. We don't always agree on everything, betsuni Sep 2020 #251
Their messages are directed toward republicans. We cannot win in November without republican votes. George II Sep 2020 #133
Patriotism is Bipartisan Gothmog Sep 2020 #149
Yeah Goth. Stand for Republicans all you want, I don't see one single patriotic Republican. YMOV Autumn Sep 2020 #150
I prefer to rely on the endorsement of Tom Ridge compared to relying on Sarandon and Stein voters Gothmog Sep 2020 #154
Yeah, rats tend to desert a sinking ship. He's also responsible for his party so he joins my Autumn Sep 2020 #157
So you trust Sarandon, Michael Moore, Nina Turner, Brie Brie Gray and Stein supporters? Gothmog Sep 2020 #158
I trust Satan himself over any fucking Republican and I'm done seeing the defense of them on DU Autumn Sep 2020 #159
So you do not want to win Penn. or Arizona? Gothmog Sep 2020 #170
lulz. So correcting melman's factual error and rant is equal to 'defiling the memory of RGB?' ehrnst Sep 2020 #192
... betsuni Sep 2020 #261
Then you'll REALLY find this offensive!!!!! ehrnst Sep 2020 #226
Interesting post you made. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #295
You're "not interested," but what's your post count in this thread? ehrnst Sep 2020 #203
Great compilation of tweets and videos, thanks so much! George II Sep 2020 #134
All The Republicans Who Have Endorsed Joe Biden For President Gothmog Sep 2020 #208
Well then... ehrnst Sep 2020 #232
Hush, child. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #296
Apparently Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with you. George II Sep 2020 #292
Appears so. And such a fan. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #297
"It is my fervor and hope that all Americans, Democrats, Republicans, independents, ehrnst Sep 2020 #298
To think Cory Booker got bashed a day or two ago for saying essentially the same thing. George II Sep 2020 #299
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #300
Exactly. betsuni Sep 2020 #301
This is one of the better ads of this cycle Gothmog Sep 2020 #316
And they are spending money that we don't have to in defeating Trump lol ehrnst Sep 2020 #171
Can you show this to Melman? ehrnst Sep 2020 #174
Exactly. OnDoutside Sep 2020 #241
"Sanders says idea he can't work with Republicans is 'total nonsense'" ehrnst Sep 2020 #220
Who is that guy standing to his right (left in picture) in the first photograph? George II Sep 2020 #286
That's prominent republican Jerry Fallwell Jr, smiling and giving him a jersey after ehrnst Sep 2020 #287
That speech at Liberty University was delivered on the 1st day of Rosh Hashanah.... George II Sep 2020 #290
"There are ways we can work with Republicans where we have a common basis" ehrnst Sep 2020 #224
They just did a podcast titled "The Notorious RBG and the Presidential Transfer of Power " mucifer Sep 2020 #8
K & R Budi Sep 2020 #12
So nothing about Roe, workers' rights, voting rights, civil rights, LGBTQ rights, environment... melman Sep 2020 #17
lol , Priority is defeating Trump. All of those things are dead if Trump isn't gone JI7 Sep 2020 #23
"Priorities" in the cartoon refers to Trump's priority to fill the Supreme Court seat over betsuni Sep 2020 #58
Melman. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #59
Perfect FrodosNewPet Sep 2020 #116
+1000. I'm also a fan of knowing what one is talking about before one rants about something. ehrnst Sep 2020 #280
That it does, ehtnst. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #288
Rick said on The New Abnormal podcast that it was unstrategic to make this fight about Roe v Wade. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #72
That IS what Biden is doing JI7 Sep 2020 #73
Indeed. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #74
They said they're staying out of policy octoberlib Sep 2020 #115
I remember Republican dark money ads that benefitted another Democratic candidate that didn't ehrnst Sep 2020 #180
That's a good one.. "..know your history.."! Cha Sep 2020 #193
When the Lincoln Project starts dismissing those civil rights as "identity politics" let us know. ehrnst Sep 2020 #184
Boom. Cha Sep 2020 #195
Hmmm. NOT A SINGLE WORD! sheshe2 Sep 2020 #19
Yeah but.......... George II Sep 2020 #37
This is effective Gothmog Sep 2020 #77
Wow.. Rt.. those are the "boos" he LIED & said Cha Sep 2020 #200
Doesn't it make you proud that nonsense like this OP only has 9 recs? grantcart Sep 2020 #145
Yes it does. 😊 sheshe2 Sep 2020 #147
Thank you! betsuni Sep 2020 #40
Probably because they are narrowly focused on the election. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #9
Isn't George Conway a federalist? Tech Sep 2020 #10
Ayup. And can't convince me he wasn't involved in paying off Kavanaugh's credit cards Roland99 Sep 2020 #21
George Conway is married to Kellyanne dlk Sep 2020 #49
I thought Conway stopped activity with the Lincoln Project? nt Boogiemack Sep 2020 #97
Welp, It looks like they've switched to Trump. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #11
Their goal is to convince Republicans to vote for Biden andym Sep 2020 #13
They ARE mentioning the hypocrisy , especially in ads against Graham JI7 Sep 2020 #18
Exactly right. They are focusing on turning Republicans away from Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #24
THIS n/t Tom Rinaldo Sep 2020 #27
Exactly this. Eyes on the prize y'all. nt Phoenix61 Sep 2020 #38
Indeed..... George II Sep 2020 #41
Ads like this one are very effective Gothmog Sep 2020 #91
Yep, it's realpolitik for now. radius777 Sep 2020 #98
Lincoln Project will be the "enemy" in 2024 aeromanKC Sep 2020 #15
"Progressive" Tim Canova was the enemy then and now JI7 Sep 2020 #25
The Soviet Union was our enemy the day after VE Day, but we wouldn't have won WII without them. George II Sep 2020 #32
Exactly. I don't think we should give them money. But, posting some content is fun and it's great mucifer Sep 2020 #44
Some people don't understand politics. betsuni Sep 2020 #46
What Will Become of Anti-Trump Republicans? Gothmog Sep 2020 #88
Thank you for helping fight this tide of negativity and bitterness with facts... Hekate Sep 2020 #169
I have been active in party politics for a long time Gothmog Sep 2020 #211
Thank you for this report, Goth! Cha Sep 2020 #206
most will be the enemy January 21st, 2021, and they will most definitely be a force for bad things Celerity Sep 2020 #278
Reason #1000 why Claudia wants to be emancipated Tarc Sep 2020 #16
I think you meant "emancipated." n/t rzemanfl Sep 2020 #108
Indeed. the curse of autocorrect Tarc Sep 2020 #114
Of course not. They are still Republicans. Statistical Sep 2020 #20
lol, Upset they aren't doing like "progressive" Tim Canova ? JI7 Sep 2020 #22
Bazinga! Thank you sir. George II Sep 2020 #29
Uh maybe because they are Rep..Yes, they are anti Trump helpisontheway Sep 2020 #26
Oh melman. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #28
... betsuni Sep 2020 #30
no, but Pro Trumpers like Tim Canova did JI7 Sep 2020 #34
Unlike some, one thing they have NOT done is disguise their motives.... George II Sep 2020 #35
... sheshe2 Sep 2020 #39
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! betsuni Sep 2020 #43
I think this whole thing is a..... George II Sep 2020 #53
;) sheshe2 Sep 2020 #60
Attacking Graham makes me smile Gothmog Sep 2020 #79
Why should they? She's not running for anything. By the way, George Conway is no longer with TLP. George II Sep 2020 #33
It's a done deal. Assume that seat is gone. Vote. gulliver Sep 2020 #36
she's who any republican would have appointed Orangepeel Sep 2020 #42
... mcar Sep 2020 #45
At the risk of sounding like I'm defending them (which I kind of am) In It to Win It Sep 2020 #47
George Conway is no longer with the Lincoln Project. They did post this. Crunchy Frog Sep 2020 #50
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2020 #71
It's weird how some have an overwhelming need to defend these assholes Sewa Sep 2020 #51
Actually - their podcasts are really informative womanofthehills Sep 2020 #56
+1000 sheshe2 Sep 2020 #65
Where were Democratic principles "attacked" in this thread? ehrnst Sep 2020 #337
Because they're focusing on beating Trump and Republicans, not fighting Supreme Court nominations? StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #52
They aren't our friends Bettie Sep 2020 #54
These are the correct answers melman Sep 2020 #55
Until the polls close on November 3 they ARE our friends. George II Sep 2020 #61
They are our temporary allies Bettie Sep 2020 #100
They are very effective in their attacks on the Senate GOP Gothmog Sep 2020 #82
I appreciate that, I do, but I will not make the mistake of Bettie Sep 2020 #101
That can be said about anyone including those who claim to be democratic, liberal , progressive left JI7 Sep 2020 #104
Right so progressives aren't welcome in "your" party Bettie Sep 2020 #106
Real progressives are already in the party. But there are grifters who claim JI7 Sep 2020 #107
Um.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #238
Oh NOES.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #237
So can you explain this? ehrnst Sep 2020 #308
The Lincoln Project is made up of republicons. spanone Sep 2020 #57
Because their disgust with Trump (who is not really a Republican) does not belie that they are... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #62
Yes, the Lincoln Project is made up of Republicans peggysue2 Sep 2020 #63
+1000 sheshe2 Sep 2020 #69
Perfect Post StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #78
You are being too focused, rational and pragmatic for too many other folks misanthrope Sep 2020 #93
Agree 100% MizLibby Sep 2020 #198
"Prior to her passing, Justice Ginsburg said, 'My most fervent wish is that I will not be betsuni Sep 2020 #64
Good discussion on the legacy of Justice Ginsburg and Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transfe Gothmog Sep 2020 #84
Thanks, I'll listen to those podcasts. betsuni Sep 2020 #87
Excellent Point.. TY! Cha Sep 2020 #228
Lincoln Project Actually wants Biden to win While Rose Twitter will be voting FOR Trump JI7 Sep 2020 #67
Sarandon and Stein voters are the reason why trump won Gothmog Sep 2020 #86
The Lincoln project.... quickesst Sep 2020 #68
... sheshe2 Sep 2020 #70
****** quickesst Sep 2020 #109
It's as if there's some sort of progressive purity test being applied here. betsuni Sep 2020 #80
Progressive Purity tests kiled us and ele3cted trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #92
I agree quickesst Sep 2020 #112
Thank you! StarfishSaver Sep 2020 #81
you are most welcome quickesst Sep 2020 #113
I love the attacks on Cornyn Gothmog Sep 2020 #90
The Lincoln Project.... quickesst Sep 2020 #117
+1 treestar Sep 2020 #148
exactly.... quickesst Sep 2020 #283
Exactly THIS.. TY!! Cha Sep 2020 #225
They may not like Trump, but they'll take their binkys getting jobs from him. n/m RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #83
How? Do you know trump? Gothmog Sep 2020 #89
???? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #94
The members of the Lincoln Group have burned their bridges with the current GOP Gothmog Sep 2020 #124
And you still didn't read what I said RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #128
I read it and I disagreed because you are wrong Gothmog Sep 2020 #138
While you're lecturing me, George Conway is all over Twitter RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #205
While you're trying to deny the obvious, Reed Galen is on the news. ehrnst Sep 2020 #209
Yes you are totally and completely wrong-Conway is no long active in TLP Gothmog Sep 2020 #212
When we win on November 3rd....we owe them nothing RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #215
No one has ever proposed any sort of quid pro quo Gothmog Sep 2020 #218
JPR? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #222
Oh cool, fuck George and his whole weird family fishing for a reality show!!!! RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #233
Lulz.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #250
splain this: ehrnst Sep 2020 #210
I don't have to 'splain a thing, thank you for making my point from my first post in this thread. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #242
It hurts to have your point negated, but doubling down is just more embarassing ehrnst Sep 2020 #245
I'm still waiting for "Galen" to criticize Amy Creepy Barrett in that video..... RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #247
More goalpost moving... ehrnst Sep 2020 #249
My original post RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #252
This message was self-deleted by its author Malmsy Sep 2020 #256
TOTALLY about Barrett..... ehrnst Sep 2020 #258
Thanks for noticing, it absolutely is. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #260
I really hope that Joe Biden takes this adviseto open the debate Gothmog Sep 2020 #85
Their fight is against trump, but it's crazy that they don't see how ecstatic Sep 2020 #95
Agreed Aepps22 Sep 2020 #96
The answer is obvious and not important. lostnfound Sep 2020 #99
That's a great point, thanks! On the other hand, they actually DID speak of her.... George II Sep 2020 #102
Huh, it's almost like the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend, or something. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #103
It might be worth pointing out some realities Tom Traubert Sep 2020 #105
George Conway is no longer with the Lincoln octoberlib Sep 2020 #118
You are incorrect. MineralMan Sep 2020 #119
The Lincoln Project has made the process being used a target Gothmog Sep 2020 #125
Yes. And the hypocrisy of it all is very evident. MineralMan Sep 2020 #127
Plus I don't understand the obsession with George Conway, he's no longer affiliated with TLP. George II Sep 2020 #136
That's true as well. MineralMan Sep 2020 #141
Reminds me of January 20, 2009. The Inauguration Balls were still going on and.... George II Sep 2020 #142
Yes, I remember it well. MineralMan Sep 2020 #143
Stevens is a member of the Lincoln Project Gothmog Sep 2020 #152
Like I Said, the OP Jumped the Shark on This MineralMan Sep 2020 #153
Too early? melman Sep 2020 #156
When did Trump officially announce her appointment? MineralMan Sep 2020 #168
Read their twitter melman Sep 2020 #177
Um... do you know of any other SCOTUS candidate that Trump has nominated in the last day? ehrnst Sep 2020 #182
. melman Sep 2020 #185
So you can't find another SCOTUS candidate that Trump has nominated since this morning ehrnst Sep 2020 #186
In addition to yesterday's tweet you're desperately trying to deny... ehrnst Sep 2020 #207
See post #17 melman Sep 2020 #221
You may want to read my response to post #17 before you ask if I read post #17. ehrnst Sep 2020 #227
Who said I didn't melman Sep 2020 #231
Lulz.... Red herring fallacy. ehrnst Sep 2020 #234
Still waiting on what Trump nominee you think they were talking about... ehrnst Sep 2020 #248
. melman Sep 2020 #255
So you can't name any other Nominee yesterday that they would have been talking about, can you? ehrnst Sep 2020 #259
I'm not melman Sep 2020 #155
You said "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett", that has been.... George II Sep 2020 #161
It has not melman Sep 2020 #162
Yet again you are wrong Gothmog Sep 2020 #172
Silly, they're talking about some other person Trump nominated yesterday that could overturn the ACA ehrnst Sep 2020 #187
Mahalo, Goth! Rt! We're in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting.. Cha Sep 2020 #240
What ever nominee could they possibly be referring to????? Without a name there's NO WAY ehrnst Sep 2020 #289
omg.. lol.. is that what all that was about?! Cha Sep 2020 #294
..... ehrnst Sep 2020 #173
I'm not pretending anything. "Muttering something on a podcast"? It was clear as a bell. George II Sep 2020 #196
Do you ever tire of being wrong? Here the premise of this thead is a total lie and fabrication Gothmog Sep 2020 #201
Funny thing about that video melman Sep 2020 #223
So, who are they talking about in that post about "the nomination?" ehrnst Sep 2020 #230
Show me where they mentioned the ACA melman Sep 2020 #239
And we have moving the goalposts! ehrnst Sep 2020 #243
Watch the vidoe or have someone watch it and explain it to you Gothmog Sep 2020 #236
And yet it doesn't mention Barrett or even say the words "Supreme Court" melman Sep 2020 #244
So who what nominee was the Lincoln Project talking about in that tweet ehrnst Sep 2020 #246
Honey, look at the date on it... September 25.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #281
They MUST have been talking about another nomination by Trump yesterday that could end ehrnst Sep 2020 #190
He says the same about his wife lame54 Sep 2020 #151
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #164
Lulz.... you really have a raspberry seed in your wisdom tooth about them, don't you? ehrnst Sep 2020 #167
Come back and ask me if I care, once Trump has left the White House steve2470 Sep 2020 #197
Not Barrett specifically, but the night BEFORE the nomination.... George II Sep 2020 #199
Here is the latest from the Lincoln Project that shows that the OP is toally false Gothmog Sep 2020 #202
I know who they are, but getting Trump out of office is imperative. demmiblue Sep 2020 #204
Can you explain to me why I have to worship them in all phases? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #214
The hell? demmiblue Sep 2020 #217
There are people here who clearly think we can't say a bad word about them RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #219
No, I have a lot of those types on ignore. demmiblue Sep 2020 #254
A false dillema AND attacking another straw man. TWO-FER! ehrnst Sep 2020 #263
Of course they can't get jobs RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #268
I think this is a record number of strawman set up and attacked by ehrnst Sep 2020 #270
You are missing nothing. Somebody is itching to start a fight and doing it badly. ehrnst Sep 2020 #265
Strawman after strawman getting set up and mowed down here! ehrnst Sep 2020 #264
I'm all in favour of republicans seeing the light and crossing over. NT. anamnua Sep 2020 #216
K&R JonLP24 Sep 2020 #229
This is exactly the GOP they desire... EarthFirst Sep 2020 #235
The Lincoln Project's stated core mission is to defeat Donald Trump, and to make this a referendum OnDoutside Sep 2020 #253
Wait, now abortion is under the "ideological purity" banner? RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #257
Attacking yet another Strawman? Did you find a sale? ehrnst Sep 2020 #262
Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #267
More strawmen. Am I allowed to reply directly, or is that an indication that ehrnst Sep 2020 #269
Lol, nice word twist ! OnDoutside Sep 2020 #274
I'm too pure to want Biden to win with any votes... Crunchy Frog Sep 2020 #266
People are noticing melman Sep 2020 #271
Hah, yes indeed a couple of very important Americans on Twitter: George II Sep 2020 #272
But we don't know they're NOT influncers, right? ehrnst Sep 2020 #279
Twitter is very particular about who they verify as authentic and award their "blue checkmark".. George II Sep 2020 #284
Um... George Conway left the Lincoln Project last month. ehrnst Sep 2020 #273
I hope this alleged concern doesn't influence your vote. LanternWaste Sep 2020 #277
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #291
No one said they "trust" The Lincoln Project, just that they enjoy and appreciate their efforts.... George II Sep 2020 #293
Still nothing and many people are noticing melman Sep 2020 #302
You are still wrong Gothmog Sep 2020 #303
IKR? ehrnst Sep 2020 #306
The claims of the OP are really getting silly Gothmog Sep 2020 #313
Lulz... ehrnst Sep 2020 #304
Oh boo-hoo! They're not doing ENOUGH, eh? NurseJackie Sep 2020 #309
A few points: George II Sep 2020 #310
"Some of those unverified people are bashing Biden." betsuni Sep 2020 #311
Right, that used to be a bad thing. Now it's a good thing, from the very same person! George II Sep 2020 #312
Don't you know that the only opinions who matter are Nina Turner, Bri Brie and David Sirotal Gothmog Sep 2020 #315
Yes, people are noticing...."The Lincoln Project Attacks Barrett Nomination" ehrnst Sep 2020 #319
Lindsey Graham has been very effectively targeted by the Lincoln Project for this nomination Gothmog Sep 2020 #314
Well....gosh a mighty.... George II Sep 2020 #317
NOT A SINGLE WORD! betsuni Sep 2020 #320
"The Lincoln Project Attacks Barrett Nomination" ehrnst Sep 2020 #318
The American Spectator! melman Sep 2020 #321
You left them out of your "people are noticing" random twitter search. ehrnst Sep 2020 #322
Yeah I most certainly did leave out the American Spectator melman Sep 2020 #326
Because their observation directly contradicted yours. ehrnst Sep 2020 #331
Why are you limiting your search only to Twitter? Here's a report from CBS News from September 21.. George II Sep 2020 #324
Against my better judgement I watched the entire 7 minutes and 22 seconds of that video melman Sep 2020 #325
Right. About a week before her name was uttered by trump, they said they were against ANY of.... George II Sep 2020 #327
Then that video isn't relevant to to the topic of this thread melman Sep 2020 #328
It's illogical for them to say anything about her (even though they HAVE done so!!!) George II Sep 2020 #329
The Lincoln Project commenting negatively on a SCOTUS pick by Trump? ehrnst Sep 2020 #333
Evidence that contradicts your OP a bit too uncomfortable to acknowledge? ehrnst Sep 2020 #332
I posted the statement from The Lincoln Project that they cite..... George II Sep 2020 #323
Ha-ha classic bait n switch Sewa Sep 2020 #330
Ha-ha. This person disagrees with you... ehrnst Sep 2020 #336
This message was self-deleted by its author Sewa Sep 2020 #334
So you agree melman is wrong. ehrnst Sep 2020 #335
Oops I misunderstood that was the Spector's label Sewa Sep 2020 #338
It helps not to post while angry. ehrnst Sep 2020 #339
Longtime Republican strategists behind the Lincoln Project mounting rogue offensive against trump Gothmog Oct 2020 #340
Sixty Minutes and the Lincoln Project Gothmog Oct 2020 #341
Great interview of the Lincoln Project Gothmog Oct 2020 #342
Two cheers for the Never Trump conservatives Gothmog Dec 2020 #343

Response to melman (Original post)

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
131. It was late, I was tired and disgusted with everything. Ironically, that was
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:17 AM
Sep 2020

a milestone post for me 27K. I will delete that post, particularly in light of the posts below. What who/is May Dan?

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
2. Basic lesson: Republicans gonna Republican...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:17 PM
Sep 2020

We should make no mistake: although "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," that arrangement is never more than temporary. Once Trump is out of the way, the Lincoln Project folks become our adversaries once again. Maybe not mortal, existential enemies like Twitler and his crew are, but still ideological opponents we will need to defeat if we're to make this country whole again.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
285. Who said anything about after the election?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:26 PM
Sep 2020


It's their money, and just because they spent it trying to defeat Trump doesn't mean we owe them anything.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
3. I was wondering the exact thing.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:18 PM
Sep 2020

... because they like her and are cool with cramming this nomination in at this time. Am I right, or am I right?

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
4. If he said anything other than that, he'd be skewered.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:19 PM
Sep 2020

Better to not have an opinion at the moment while he has stepped out of the ring for now.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
110. Republicans are nothing more than fucking Republicans, no matter what they do.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020
Expecting Republicans to save the nation is the height of delusional theatrics. Brings to mind the adulation of Rod Rosenstein, the guy who killed the Mueller investigation billed as "being the hero America needs "

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. I know a number of republicans. Although we disagree on policy most are good honest people...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:44 AM
Sep 2020

I don't generalize and blindly condemn a group of people simply because of their underlying affiliation. To me this isn't a laughing matter.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
121. When it comes to Republicans, I know plenty. I condemn them all. I find their hypocrisy laughable.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:46 AM
Sep 2020

I find them to be ignorant of real life. I have no respect for them. None at all. Fuck them.

George II

(67,782 posts)
129. Two of my brothers are republicans, so by extrapolation, even without knowing them.....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:16 AM
Sep 2020

....you think they're "ignorant of real life", you "have no respect for them", and you say "fuck them".

That's a wonderful way to go through life.

By the way, they're both wonderful, generous people.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
132. Yeah, and 2 of my sisters are Republicans and I have cut those ties. You do what you want.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:17 AM
Sep 2020

We are not talking about your family or mine. The subject we are discussing is the fucking Lincoln Project. They want what the republican party wants. Fuck them. They allowed their party to become what it is.

dware

(12,363 posts)
137. This is utter bullshit,
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:29 AM
Sep 2020

the majority of my republican trucker friends are voting for Biden/Harris, they too have had enough of the Mango Menace.

You hatred is blinding you to the fact that the Mango Menace is going to lose, in part because hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are going to vote for Biden, they just aren't telegraphing it.

dware

(12,363 posts)
140. I'm pointing out the fact that those disaffected R's and I's are what is going to
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:36 AM
Sep 2020

get Biden/Harris elected, but your blind hatred of all things R is distorting your view.

Just my opinion.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
144. I'm discussing the Lincoln Project and their party. The time for them to save their party was about
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:40 AM
Sep 2020

ten years ago. Now they should let it fucking die and start a new one. They don't impress me. Anyone who was going to vote for Trump after his first 6 months in office and has to be persuaded to vote for someone else or stay home and not vote for him can fuck off. Donald Trump is the fruit from the tree that they planted and tended.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
276. "Now they should let it fucking die and start a new one. " Which is what they have stated too, but
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:56 PM
Sep 2020

hey....

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
160. Yes
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:48 PM
Sep 2020

Fuck every Republican. Always.


There was a time when that wouldn't have been a controversial view here. But I guess things change.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
163. Seems too many Republicans get too much respect. That would never have flown in the past
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:09 PM
Sep 2020

They can have their Republicans. To quote Bill Clinton, I wouldn't walk across the road to piss in their ears if their brains were on fire.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
191. And.... we have the False Dilemma Fallacy!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:31 PM
Sep 2020
Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides when there are many options or sides. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are actually many shades of gray.


https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
213. Well, if you ignore the definition as frantically as you have avoided evidence that you're wrong,
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:06 PM
Sep 2020

and still want to argue anyway, that would make sense. Still waiting for you to name someone else Trump nominated yesterday that the tweet was talking about.








I sense a goalpost being moved.

Response to Autumn (Reply #110)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
282. Well, you may want to let Bernie know...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:18 PM
Sep 2020
Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate





sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
305. Link please.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:59 PM
Sep 2020
Autumn (38,900 posts)

110. Republicans are nothing more than fucking Republicans, no matter what they do.

Expecting Republicans to save the nation is the height of delusional theatrics.


Link to where anyone has stated that They. We. Us... are "Expecting Republicans to save the nation" Where exactly was this stated? Then you go on to call DUers delusional and theatrical? Your words

Just stop.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
111. Not interested in watching what Republicans say or do.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:03 AM
Sep 2020

This group is fine with Trumps crazy ass SC pick. She's right up their fucking alley.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
122. I want to win
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:50 AM
Sep 2020

Biden needs to defeat trump. sanders’ revolution helped elect trump






I think that ads like this ad are very effective


I want to defeat trump. Support of former republicans help


Again we need to defeat trump. That is all the matter. The Lincoln Project is helping to defeat Trump

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
123. I'm already a Democrat, I don't have to be persuaded to vote for a Democrat. So I'm not
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:01 AM
Sep 2020

interested in what they have to say. I want to preserve women's rights, I'm pretty damn sure they don't. As we can see by their ignoring of their parties bullshit hypocrisy and their silence on the nasty, nutty Barrett woman SC pick . Not buying their shtick, they allowed the Republican party to become what it is. Fuck em. Too little too late. You can stand with them if you want. I won't.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
126. We need votes from Republicans and former republicans to beat trump
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:12 AM
Sep 2020

2016 showed that we cannot rely solely on the voes of progressive purists when we have people like Sarandon. Bri Brie and Moore willing to help elect trump

I welcome the support the Lincoln Project. The members of the Lincoln Project have burned some significant bridges and will never be welcomed back in the GOP in its current form. The Lincoln Project members have put country over party and are helping to defeat trump.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
130. No. We need to reach out to young people and Independents.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:16 AM
Sep 2020

Welcome Republicans all you want. I won't. Again. Fuck the Republicans. I don't intend to keep repeating myself so there is no reason to continue this conversation

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
135. Your plan failed in 2016 which is why we have trump
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:27 AM
Sep 2020

Hillary tried to warn us in 2016 the control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot and her warning was ignored by stein voters and sanders voters who stayed home


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
165. You mean like Bernie did?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:30 PM
Sep 2020

Even he admitted that he couldn't get out the youth vote.



I think we need to be focusing on keeping our most reliable voters on our team - and those are not independents and the youth vote. It's women of color, who chose Biden overwhelmingly.

A candidate running on the Democratic ticket can most certainly benefit from the weaponry provided by Republicans without welcoming Republicans, and not discouraging their supporters from sharing, and still call themselves the most progressive Democratic candidate ever.

In fact, I believe that's your opinon on said candidate.





Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
175. I remember Rove and GOP super pacs supporting sanders
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:58 PM
Sep 2020

I Remember all of the republicans who were voting for sanders in the South Carolina primary





 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
183. Yep, it is and it does.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:16 PM
Sep 2020


I know it's hard to admit when one is wrong, but doubling down is really much more embarassing.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
188. Even with significant GOP support in South Carolina, sanders lost badly
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:23 PM
Sep 2020

sanders lost badly in South Carolina despite significant GOP cross over vote

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
178. Yep. And HRC asked Bernie to tell his supporters to stop sharing those dark money ads.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:06 PM
Sep 2020

I also recalled what his response was.

Still, the Clinton campaign has cried foul, noting that Sanders’s supporters have been echoing Republican attacks on Clinton and that he certainly has not been rejecting the ads.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-conservative-fanboys

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
251. Bernie Sanders: "I'm going to reach out to Republicans. We don't always agree on everything,
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:57 PM
Sep 2020

but I hope you respect the constitution." September 25th, 2020 appearance on Real Time

George II

(67,782 posts)
133. Their messages are directed toward republicans. We cannot win in November without republican votes.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:24 AM
Sep 2020

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
149. Patriotism is Bipartisan
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:48 PM
Sep 2020

I am glad that there are patriots who are supporting Joe even if they are republicans. Relying on sanders supporters like Brie brie, Nina truner and Susan Sarandon did not work last time


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
150. Yeah Goth. Stand for Republicans all you want, I don't see one single patriotic Republican. YMOV
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:50 PM
Sep 2020
Not a one.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
154. I prefer to rely on the endorsement of Tom Ridge compared to relying on Sarandon and Stein voters
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Sep 2020

You can rely on the support of Stein voters, Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon if you want but I like the endorsment of former GOP Govneror Tom Ridge


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
157. Yeah, rats tend to desert a sinking ship. He's also responsible for his party so he joins my
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:19 PM
Sep 2020

"Fuck em group" even if he is voting for his first Dem, I well Remember Tom Ridge. He can have his medal or a chest to pin it on. But I'm tired of your Republicans so I'm gonna use DU's best feature.


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
159. I trust Satan himself over any fucking Republican and I'm done seeing the defense of them on DU
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:35 PM
Sep 2020

when RBG is not even in her grave. I find it very offensive.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
170. So you do not want to win Penn. or Arizona?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:50 PM
Sep 2020

That is sad but may explain a great deal as to why sanders did so poorly in the primaries. Rather than relying on Bri Brie Gray, David Sirota, Nina Turner and Sarandon, Joe has reached out to people like Cindy McCain and Tom Ridge. These two endorsements are meaningful in the real world and as a result Joe is in position to win Arizona and Penn.



Relying on Gray, Turner, Sirota, Sarandon and Stein voters never made sense to me
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
192. lulz. So correcting melman's factual error and rant is equal to 'defiling the memory of RGB?'
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:36 PM
Sep 2020

The "not even in her grave" part was priceless.

And agreeing with the Lincoln Project, who hates Trump, when they bash Trump is ONE AND THE SAME with agreeing with ALL Republicans and ALL their polices and.....






 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
226. Then you'll REALLY find this offensive!!!!!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:21 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate








sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
295. Interesting post you made.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:06 PM
Sep 2020
I trust Satan himself over any fucking Republican


Trump is Satan

Paradise Lost in Washington, DC
Jeffrey R. Wilson

https://wilson.fas.harvard.edu/files/jeffreywilson/files/jeffrey_r._wilson_22trump_is_satan_-_paradise_lost_in_washington_dc22_2019.pdf

So that means you trust trump? I am confused here.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
203. You're "not interested," but what's your post count in this thread?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:50 PM
Sep 2020

You're also racking up the count on false dilemma fallacies, as well.

When you run out of any logical responses in an effort to defend melman, but still feel a need to post anyway, I guess wild accusations are all that's left.



Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
208. All The Republicans Who Have Endorsed Joe Biden For President
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:59 PM
Sep 2020

Here are some facts from the real world about republicans who are supporting Joe Biden The endorsement of these and the other listed below are far more important compared to the support of Nina Turner, Bri Bie Gray, David Sirota, Susan Sarandon or some Stein supporters.




Former Gov. John Kasich, who challenged Trump for the GOP nomination in 2016, has been one of Biden’s most vocal Republican backers, lauding his “experience and his wisdom and his decency” at the Democratic convention on Monday.

Biden has won the endorsements of four Republican cabinet secretaries; Obama administration Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, and Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell and EPA Director Christine Whitman, who appeared at the DNC alongside Kasich.....

Carly Fiorina, a former Hewlett Packard CEO and GOP presidential candidate who was briefly the running mate of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), said she cannot support Trump and that “elections are binary choices,” while Meg Whitman, another Hewlett Packard CEO, said at the DNC on Monday that Trump “has no clue how to run a business, let alone an economy.”.....

A group of 100 prominent Republicans and independents, including Todd Whitman, former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, launched a group to campaign, run ads and pen opinion pieces on Biden’s behalf.

A group of 107 former state attorneys general who endorsed Biden for his “commitment to eliminate abuses of power” and belief in “common sense law enforcement” includes six Republicans; Greg Zoeller of Indiana, Mark Shurtleff of Utah, Jim Jones of Idaho, Doug Baily of Alaska, Jeff Amestoy of Vermont and Jeff Pine of Rhode Island.

In the real world, these endorsements are meaningful
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
232. Well then...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:30 PM
Sep 2020

"In the great state of Vermont, I got 25% of Republican votes"

"There are republicans, for instance who are concerned about the high cost of drugs."

Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate




 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
298. "It is my fervor and hope that all Americans, Democrats, Republicans, independents,
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 08:18 AM
Sep 2020

progressives moderates, conservatives, come together to defend American democracy, our constitution, and the rule of law."

"If we together, all of us, Republicans, Democrats, Independents want to keep faith with the American ideals we hold so dear and with the sacrifices that so many made in order to protect our democracy."

Bernie Sanders, September 2020

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
316. This is one of the better ads of this cycle
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:08 AM
Sep 2020

You may want to rely on the opinions of Bri Brie, Nina Turner, David Siorta and Sarandon but I think that this ad is far more effective


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
174. Can you show this to Melman?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:57 PM
Sep 2020

He refuses to acknowledge it. Perhaps he will accept information from a fellow Sanders supporter?


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
220. "Sanders says idea he can't work with Republicans is 'total nonsense'"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:16 PM
Sep 2020
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Monday that the idea that he can’t work with Republicans is “total nonsense.”

Sanders spoke at a CNN town hall, where he referenced writing “one of the most sweeping veterans bills in history” with the last Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and working with Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) to end the U.S. participation in the war in Yemen.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/484455-sanders-says-idea-he-cant-work-with-republicans-is-total-nonsense




Bernie Sanders says he could work with Trump on trade policy

“If Trump wants to develop a rational trade policy that demands that corporations start investing in this country instead of China, that’s something that we can work on,” he added.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/bernie-sanders-says-work-trump-trade-policy

"Well, look, all that I can tell you is, my views are a little bit different. I do work with Republicans when I can. For example, I'm very proud of the fact that for the first time in 45 years, we used the War Powers Act to get a majority vote in the Senate to end the horrible war in Yemen led by Saudi Arabia. So, you work with Republicans when you can," Sanders said.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450867-sanders-my-views-on-working-with-gop-a-little-bit-different-from-bidens






 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
287. That's prominent republican Jerry Fallwell Jr, smiling and giving him a jersey after
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:30 PM
Sep 2020

he spoke at Liberty University, founded by Jerry's father, to continue republican evangelical conservatism.

Why do you ask?

George II

(67,782 posts)
290. That speech at Liberty University was delivered on the 1st day of Rosh Hashanah....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:35 PM
Sep 2020

....a Jewish High Holy Day.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
224. "There are ways we can work with Republicans where we have a common basis"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:19 PM
Sep 2020

"In the great state of Vermont, I got 25% of Republican votes"

"There are republicans, for instance who are concerned about the high cost of drugs."

Bernie Knows How to Work with Republicans | NH Debate




mucifer

(23,530 posts)
8. They just did a podcast titled "The Notorious RBG and the Presidential Transfer of Power "
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:26 PM
Sep 2020

?s=20
Specifically stating that coney barrett is a bad choice for trump for losing voters. she is too conservative.


Then there is this tweet:

?s=20

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
17. So nothing about Roe, workers' rights, voting rights, civil rights, LGBTQ rights, environment...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:33 PM
Sep 2020

Just 'priorities'. Okay.

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
58. "Priorities" in the cartoon refers to Trump's priority to fill the Supreme Court seat over
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:06 PM
Sep 2020

dealing with the Coronavirus crisis.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
59. Melman.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:08 PM
Sep 2020

They are Republicans and never said they cared about every Democratic issue. However there are times they get something right. They know beyond a shadow of doubt that trump will in fact destroy America and they want him gone even if it means voting for Biden. I truly wish some folks felt that way in 2016. Democrats that could not bring themselves to vote for OUR Democratic candidate.

Here in MA we have Charlie Baker-R. He stood for our sanctuary cities, against trump policies on COVID, fought him on confiscated PPE we as a state purchased and has forcefully disagreed with trumps bullshit on mail in voting as fraud. I will give him credit for all that. I am fully aware he is a Republican, yet give credit where credit is due.

I will take help from any and every person that helps rid us of the evil of trump and those that enable him. I hope all Democrats are willing to do the same and not sit back and refuse to vote because our candidate, once again, does not excite or motivate them.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
280. +1000. I'm also a fan of knowing what one is talking about before one rants about something.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:09 PM
Sep 2020

It really lends credibility to one's arguments, doesn't it?

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
288. That it does, ehtnst.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:31 PM
Sep 2020

Love all the facts that you have presented in the thread. TY as always.

One post here actually said they would believe Satan before a Republican. Me, I believe that trump and his legions are the devil's spawn. So one would ask, how exactly that works.

I guess the devil is in the details.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
72. Rick said on The New Abnormal podcast that it was unstrategic to make this fight about Roe v Wade.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:30 AM
Sep 2020

The way he put it, turning it into an abortion fight gets us nowhere.

He suggests making it about the Affordable Care Act - more likely to draw broader support.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
115. They said they're staying out of policy
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:32 AM
Sep 2020

and leaving that to the Democrats. Their mission is to defeat Trump because he’s a danger to the nation and democracy , not to push M4A.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
180. I remember Republican dark money ads that benefitted another Democratic candidate that didn't
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:10 PM
Sep 2020

mention any of those things, and weren't rejected by the candidate, of whom you have only ever spoken of in glowing terms.

Know your history before you "cry foul" about Republican $$$ going to help a Democrat....

Still, the Clinton campaign has cried foul, noting that Sanders’s supporters have been echoing Republican attacks on Clinton and that he certainly has not been rejecting the ads.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanderss-conservative-fanboys
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
184. When the Lincoln Project starts dismissing those civil rights as "identity politics" let us know.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:17 PM
Sep 2020

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
19. Hmmm. NOT A SINGLE WORD!
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:33 PM
Sep 2020
melman (6,915 posts)


The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett
Not one. Why is that?


Yet they did.

Thanks, mucifer.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
200. Wow.. Rt.. those are the "boos" he LIED & said
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:46 PM
Sep 2020

he "couldn't hear". What a vid.. and melania skulking away, too. With their Black Masks.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
49. George Conway is married to Kellyanne
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:27 PM
Sep 2020

That should tell you everything you need to know about the true nature of his character.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
11. Welp, It looks like they've switched to Trump.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:28 PM
Sep 2020

Their plot has been foiled!11

Seriously the totally irrational hate obsession with these guys by some here is so unintentionally hilarious I can hardly stand it.

I shall giggle about it for days and weeks to come.

andym

(5,443 posts)
13. Their goal is to convince Republicans to vote for Biden
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:29 PM
Sep 2020

Many Republicans will like the idea of another conservative justice, so mentioning Barrett is counterproductive to their goal.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
18. They ARE mentioning the hypocrisy , especially in ads against Graham
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:33 PM
Sep 2020

I don't think anyone is saying she isn't qualified. That's not really the issue here .

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
24. Exactly right. They are focusing on turning Republicans away from Trump.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:40 PM
Sep 2020

Going after Barrett isn´t especially useful for that purpose. They have a particular, narrow mission which doesn´t necessarily include all the issues liberals are supporting.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
98. Yep, it's realpolitik for now.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:18 AM
Sep 2020

We lack the votes in the Senate to defeat this, simple as that. The time to win this fight was in 2013 when RBG could've retired and had Obama replace her. Once we lost the Senate in 2014 it was likely something like this would happen.

Most Repubs - including most never-Trumpers - are going to want a RW justice like Barrett on the court. We can't fight them on this because it's a fight we can't win. Thus we must keep our eyes on the prize and get Biden elected, which is what they're helping us do. After that we can go back to opposing them ideologically and debating policy, but this election is more about saving democracy.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
15. Lincoln Project will be the "enemy" in 2024
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:31 PM
Sep 2020

HOWEVER, with the help of Lincoln Project this year there will be a 2024!! They will have helped save America and American democracy.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
44. Exactly. I don't think we should give them money. But, posting some content is fun and it's great
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:15 PM
Sep 2020

they have ads and billboards in swing states.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
88. What Will Become of Anti-Trump Republicans?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:07 AM
Sep 2020

Trumpism will still be alive even if trump is defeated in 2020. The members of the lincoln project know that they can not come home again https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-29/what-will-become-of-anti-trump-republicans

What they say motivates them is both fear of a second term for Donald Trump and, especially for some of the campaign professionals involved, a sense of responsibility for what the Republican Party has become. It’s possible that there’s really nothing more to it than that. Surely the policy advocates in the group will continue to push for choices they favor regardless of who is in office, but for the political operatives, this might be the end of the line — they may be burning bridges with one party without building any connection to the other.

It’s possible that some of them will eventually gravitate toward the Democrats. But it’s unlikely that they’ll exert much influence over them. Party actors fight hard for power within the organization, and while it’s true that parties are permeable and new people enter all the time and can change policy positions and priorities, there’s very little appetite among Democrats for this particular group of outsiders to wield significant influence.

My sense is that the group would be happiest with some sort of reformed Republican Party, but that they don’t quite know how to get there from here. The obvious problem is that the more elections Republicans lose, the more the remnant in office will tend to be from the safest districts, which usually produce the most extreme politicians. And if, on the other hand, Republicans win this year or in 2022, they’ll likely conclude that there isn’t actually a problem to be solved. They may reach that conclusion even if they lose several consecutive elections as long as the conservative marketplace is still profitable.

So my guess is that ultimately the Lincoln Project will be a curiosity — a marker of the deep dysfunction of the Republican Party, but not a group able to do much about it or to find a home elsewhere. Perhaps I’m wrong and they’ll be able to find a way out of the trap that Republicans have gotten into. I certainly hope so: Democracy in the U.S. requires two reasonably healthy political parties, both firmly committed to the rule of law, full citizenship for all and other important principles.

The members of the Lincoln Project has burned bridges. If trump loses then the remants of the GOP will be in safe gerrymandered seats and trump's base will be still be out there. The GOP will not longer be home to these members. trump may escape jail and I suspect that trump may end up with trump TV which will be attaking the members of the Lincoln group. The members of the Lincoln Project will not running against Democrats in 2024 becauase they wil have no home in what is left of the GOP.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
169. Thank you for helping fight this tide of negativity and bitterness with facts...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:48 PM
Sep 2020

Someone seems to have awoken this morning in a mood to stir things up, and lo and behold, it worked.

The Lincoln Project people are fighting Trump in the blazing light of their burning bridges. They will have no home to go to when this is over. That takes guts.


Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
211. I have been active in party politics for a long time
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:02 PM
Sep 2020

Thes members of the Lincoln Project put the country over party and burned some significant bridges in coming out against trump. There is no way that these patriots will be welcomed back in the current GOP. It will take several election cycles for the GOP to hopefully purge itself of trump and his supporter if this can happen at all.

Celerity

(43,316 posts)
278. most will be the enemy January 21st, 2021, and they will most definitely be a force for bad things
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:04 PM
Sep 2020

in the 2022 mid-terms.

If we, as an overall methodology in our Democratic primaries, start supporting the type of newly-running Representatives and Senators that they approve of post 2020 elections, woe be unto us. There may be a few exceptions to that rule, but as an overarching path, it is doom for our party.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
16. Reason #1000 why Claudia wants to be emancipated
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:32 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)

Even if one of them is slightly Trump-hating, they're both still conservative assholes,

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
20. Of course not. They are still Republicans.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:34 PM
Sep 2020

The Lincoln Project is concerned that Trump will do long term damage to the power and control of the Republican party by tarnishing the image of the GOP and driving moderates and independents to the Democratic party for years to come.

So while Democrats and the Lincoln Project share a goal of defeating Trump it is for VASTLY different reasons. The Lincoln Project wants to defeat Trump to return to a more traditional (dogwhistle) GOP and so that a Republican candidate can win in 2024 and return to pushing regressive policies.

Enemy of my enemy and all that but nobody should have any doubt that the Lincoln Project is 100% in alignment with the policies of Trump they just don't like the way he is going about it.

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
26. Uh maybe because they are Rep..Yes, they are anti Trump
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

but they never said they were democrats. Heck they even said that they have issues with Biden too but that Trump was too dangerous. They said they would deal with that later. I have no problem having them on our side long enough to get that evil man out.

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
30. ...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:54 PM
Sep 2020


I don't get the point. Did Never Trump Republicans suddenly pretend to be liberals? Must've missed that.

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. Unlike some, one thing they have NOT done is disguise their motives....
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:59 PM
Sep 2020

We know who they are, but many TRUE Democrats welcome their assistance in winning the Presidency.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Why should they? She's not running for anything. By the way, George Conway is no longer with TLP.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:56 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
42. she's who any republican would have appointed
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:13 PM
Sep 2020

I imagine they think the judges are the only thing trump's done right.

In It to Win It

(8,236 posts)
47. At the risk of sounding like I'm defending them (which I kind of am)
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:24 PM
Sep 2020

I saw one of their live streams this week and they did say that the seat shouldn't be filled.

Edit: I also want to add that their position of not filling the seat has nothing to do with the nominee, the hypocrisy also left a bad taste in their mouth. They are not very satisfied with the Trump enablers.

Sewa

(1,255 posts)
51. It's weird how some have an overwhelming need to defend these assholes
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:37 PM
Sep 2020

This is a completely separate issue from the election but they still have to defend them.

Thanks melmen for standing up for Democratic principals

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
56. Actually - their podcasts are really informative
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:01 PM
Sep 2020

They have inside info. Some are still Republicans - some are not. They believe Trump is not a Republican. They are telling fellow Republicans- you can be a Republican and vote for Biden because Trump is very dangerous.

They are also disgusted with Republicans in Senate and House for enabling Trump. If they can convince their fellow Republicans to vote for Biden - that’s a good thing.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
337. Where were Democratic principles "attacked" in this thread?
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 06:23 PM
Sep 2020

I mean, if even insinuating that any Republicans have something positive to contribute is "attacking Democratic principles," what are you saying about Bernie????????

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14144244



 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
52. Because they're focusing on beating Trump and Republicans, not fighting Supreme Court nominations?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:40 PM
Sep 2020

Yes. I think that's it.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
100. They are our temporary allies
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:53 AM
Sep 2020

and I hope that there are people who are truly on our side learning how to do cutthroat politics from them, becasue they WILL be back on the other side sooner than you think.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
101. I appreciate that, I do, but I will not make the mistake of
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:54 AM
Sep 2020

thinking that they will stay on our side for long.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
104. That can be said about anyone including those who claim to be democratic, liberal , progressive left
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 09:28 AM
Sep 2020

etc. There is no gaurantee they will be on "our" side .

In this case they made clear it's about wanting to defeat Trump so those who object to them usually do so because they don't like how they are effective in attacking Trump.

At least they aren't like those who claim to be on the left but do everything they can to help REpublicans win and mostly only attack Democrats.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
107. Real progressives are already in the party. But there are grifters who claim
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 09:37 AM
Sep 2020

to be progressive but their goal is to help Republicans win.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
308. So can you explain this?
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 06:15 PM
Sep 2020
Prior to her passing, Justice Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed,” a request that The Lincoln Project urges the Trump administration and U.S. Senate to honor.


https://lincolnproject.us/news/ginsburg/



TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
62. Because their disgust with Trump (who is not really a Republican) does not belie that they are...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:21 PM
Sep 2020

still Republicans?

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
63. Yes, the Lincoln Project is made up of Republicans
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

They're also realists. Democrats do not have the votes for this fight. We just don't. The GOP is ramming this candidate through come high or high water. That's just the reality on the ground. If we (as Dems) focus entirely on this or dissect Barrett over her religious affiliation, her family, her whatever, we join in Trump's distraction of the moment. That's exactly what he and his enablers want.

I think Biden has the right approach. You underscore the unfairness and hypocrisy of the action because something like 56-58% of the American public believe this selection should be made by the election's winner. You emphasize what the selection means for women's rights, civil rights and the continuation of the ACA. And then, you go back to hammer Trump on his total failure in containing a pandemic that has cost 200,000+ American lives and is nose-diving the economy.

If the fight turns in a cat brawl over Barrett, the Republicans will gain ground. Which, of course, is what they want. We need to be smarter regardless of how aggravating the situation is.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
93. You are being too focused, rational and pragmatic for too many other folks
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:17 AM
Sep 2020

Eyes on the prize, indeed. Carry on, good lady!

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
64. "Prior to her passing, Justice Ginsburg said, 'My most fervent wish is that I will not be
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:28 PM
Sep 2020

replaced until a new president is installed,' a request that the Lincoln Project urges the Trump administration and U.S. Senate to honor."

This was posted on the Lincoln Project's website on September 20.

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
87. Thanks, I'll listen to those podcasts.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:57 AM
Sep 2020

Guess to some that means I'm going to marry the Lincoln Project, promise to love and trust them forever and ever.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
68. The Lincoln project....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:24 AM
Sep 2020

... is already taking on a tremendous endeavor to help defeat Trump. That is their stated purpose, and have been completely up front about it. Now people are expecting them to take on the whole goddamn load of every issue the Democrats have problem with? The last thing we need is to depend upon the Lincoln project to fight all of our battles. What kind of message does that send?

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
80. It's as if there's some sort of progressive purity test being applied here.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:45 AM
Sep 2020

Thought that was just for people actually on the Left, Democrats. Apparently not!

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
112. I agree
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:10 AM
Sep 2020

Most of us understand that under ordinary circumstances the Lincoln project would not exist. They would be Republicans being Republicans, but these are extraordinary times, and it is of mutual benefit to both parties to remove Trump from office. This is why the Lincoln project does exist. Everything else can be fought out, debated, or agreed to when this country has returned to some degree of normalcy.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
117. The Lincoln Project....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:34 AM
Sep 2020

....is doing a lot in the effort to remove a threat to democracy to our mutual benefit. In the case of John cornyn, he's directly attacking the members of the Lincoln project. I don't blame them one bit for firing back and blowing his ass out of the water. That the Democratic party benefits from a cornyn takedown is a nice consequence as a result of the Lincoln project defending themselves, however, it is not a consequence I feel we are somehow entitled to.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
148. +1
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:47 PM
Sep 2020

You take every vote you can get! What about voters who might vote for Biden but aren't on board with every progressive issue? Goodness, let's reject them too!

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
94. ????
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:20 AM
Sep 2020

My reference is to Creepy Barrett. She's someone Lincoln project types have no problem with and wouldn't say shit if Rmoney or some other "polite" Rethug president nominated her.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
124. The members of the Lincoln Group have burned their bridges with the current GOP
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:07 AM
Sep 2020

Do you really think that any member of the Lincoln Project will be welcomed back to the current GOP. If trump wins, he will continue to attack the members of the Lincoln Project. If trump loses, the remaining members of the GOP will be in safe districts where the support of trump supporters will be key. The current members of hte Lincoln Project will not be welcomed

At some point, the GOP may decide to purge trump but that will take three or four election cycles. Right now, the GOP is trump's party and the members of the Lincoln Project will not be welcomed back to the GOP. The fact you think this is possible is simply wrong

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
128. And you still didn't read what I said
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:15 AM
Sep 2020

None of this changes the fact they are fine with Amy Coney Island Hot Dog Barrett.

Have a nice day.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
138. I read it and I disagreed because you are wrong
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:30 AM
Sep 2020

The members of the Lincoln Project are putting country over party by attacking trump and members fo the GOP senate such as Graham, Tillis, Cornyn and MoscowMitch. These members will not be welcomed back to the GOP

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
205. While you're lecturing me, George Conway is all over Twitter
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:52 PM
Sep 2020

Praising Amy Creepy Barrett’s abilities as a jurist.

But I’M wrong.

“bUT hE’s nO lONgeR wiTH tHe LinCOLn pRoJeCT!”

Uh huh.

Oh well.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
212. Yes you are totally and completely wrong-Conway is no long active in TLP
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:04 PM
Sep 2020

Watch this video from the Lincoln Project or have someone else watch it and explain it to you


Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
218. No one has ever proposed any sort of quid pro quo
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:14 PM
Sep 2020

Where did you get this rather amuising but wrong concept? Has anyone proposed this in the real world (JPR does not count as the real world)?.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
233. Oh cool, fuck George and his whole weird family fishing for a reality show!!!!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:32 PM
Sep 2020

I can say that right? Or are you now going to reprimand me for lashing out at a valued ally?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
242. I don't have to 'splain a thing, thank you for making my point from my first post in this thread.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:43 PM
Sep 2020

They will not criticize this wingnut who they'd be absolutely over the moon with if was Mitt Romney who picked her lunatic ass.

Unfortunately, "Galen" doesn't explain why Mitch McConnell was stinking up the joint when the wonderful George W Bush and Dick Cheney were in power too.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
245. It hurts to have your point negated, but doubling down is just more embarassing
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:46 PM
Sep 2020

than simply either simply saying "Got me there" or silence.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
247. I'm still waiting for "Galen" to criticize Amy Creepy Barrett in that video.....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:50 PM
Sep 2020

I assumed that's why you posted it. To "prove me wrong".

Does that come in some easter egg after the 7:55 that I wasted listening to some Republican upset he can't get a job because Trump didn't hire some adjunct member of the Bush family he can be "communications director" for?

Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #252)

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
260. Thanks for noticing, it absolutely is.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:11 PM
Sep 2020

"Binky" as slang means someone they covet, someone they've groomed, someone they see as a rising star. And Amy Creepy Barrett is someone they've been grooming since she clerked for Scalia.

But I'm sure all these members of the Lincoln Project always hated old Antonino and thought he always was an extremist.



ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
95. Their fight is against trump, but it's crazy that they don't see how
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:37 AM
Sep 2020

trump stacking the court potentially re-installs him again. It's like a vicious catch-22; therefore, they should make an exception this time and speak out against her.

But they won't.

And frankly, I don't think we should waste time attacking LP. They're not the problem right now.

trump, moscow*itch, graham cracker, etc are the problems.

Aepps22

(166 posts)
96. Agreed
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:42 AM
Sep 2020

Trump is the real issue. Vote him and his enablers out and deal with the court on the other side of this. LP is doing excellent work and as long as they help us defeat Trump I don't care.

lostnfound

(16,173 posts)
99. The answer is obvious and not important.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:48 AM
Sep 2020

Last edited Mon Sep 28, 2020, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

It would not help their cause of ridding us of trump. It would only lower their credibility in eyes of republicans they target with their message.

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. That's a great point, thanks! On the other hand, they actually DID speak of her....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 09:21 AM
Sep 2020

...as pointed out halfway through the thread, so the entire premise of the OP, "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett", is false anyway.

 

Tom Traubert

(117 posts)
105. It might be worth pointing out some realities
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 09:30 AM
Sep 2020

1) putting aside ideology, Barrett is imminently qualified to serve as a justice. You may not like her ideology, and I certainly don’t, but her qualifications are beyond reproach.

2) a sitting President gets to pick the justice, and will nominate one with the ideology he favors.

3) the issue here isn’t Barrett per se, it’s the way she is being nominated weeks before the election, where everything points to Trump losing in a landslide and there being a strong possibility that the Dems will take back the Senate. This, after the Republican’s denied Obama his Supreme Court pick for the same professed reason almost 9 months before the 2016 election. But everyone knows the Republicans are playing unfair and there is no more mileage to be had from that.

4) There is nothing the Dems can do to defeat the nomination short of some major skeleton or scandal in Barrett’s life coming to light.

I think the Dems in the Senate should engage fully in the confirmation process. This women likely will be on the Court for some time and they should be respectful, act professionally and take the high road. They should use the confirmation process to shine light on her ideology and demonstrate how it will hurt rural voters in the hope that it will seal the fate of Trump and the Republicans. Biden likely will have at least one vacancy to fill, and perhaps two, during his Presidency. He and a Democratic Senate and House also can work to restructure the Court and perhaps the nomination process once in Office.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
118. George Conway is no longer with the Lincoln
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:37 AM
Sep 2020

Project so not sure why this is posted as proof of anything.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
119. You are incorrect.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:41 AM
Sep 2020

Read your thread. What you should have said was, "I have not seen them do so."

Because they have mentioned Barrett.

Read your thread, starting with post #8.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
125. The Lincoln Project has made the process being used a target
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:09 AM
Sep 2020

Ask Lindsey if he thinks that the Lincoln Project approves of the process being used to cram ACB dwon our throats

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
127. Yes. And the hypocrisy of it all is very evident.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:14 AM
Sep 2020

Using the Republicans' own words illustrates the issue very nicely.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
141. That's true as well.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:36 AM
Sep 2020

What is interesting is that Trump just officially announced his appointment yesterday. Complaints about TLP not commenting started instantly, without any time allowed for them to actually comment, which they have at this point a day later.

Jumping the gun is not a good look, it seems to me. It ensures that you will be wrong.

George II

(67,782 posts)
142. Reminds me of January 20, 2009. The Inauguration Balls were still going on and....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:38 AM
Sep 2020

....some already started bashing Obama because he hadn't fulfilled all of his campaign promises yet.

I'm afraid for some, they'll never be happy.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
143. Yes, I remember it well.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 11:40 AM
Sep 2020

Some of the same folks are still around. They come and they go, but always show up close to the election. Predictable.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
153. Like I Said, the OP Jumped the Shark on This
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 12:56 PM
Sep 2020

by posting too early for any commentary to be available.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
156. Too early?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:10 PM
Sep 2020

How long does it take to tweet? They've had several days at this point. But there's still nothing.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
168. When did Trump officially announce her appointment?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:47 PM
Sep 2020

Before then, it was speculation. And there's not just nothing any longer. Read your own thread.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
182. Um... do you know of any other SCOTUS candidate that Trump has nominated in the last day?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:13 PM
Sep 2020

Please let us know about them.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
186. So you can't find another SCOTUS candidate that Trump has nominated since this morning
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:19 PM
Sep 2020

other than Amy Comey Barrett?

Got it.






But do tell us - what "Trump nominee" is the Lincoln Project talking about with power to overturn the ACA?



Seriously, it's way more embarrassing to double down than it is to simply say, "I hadn't seen that when I posted the OP, I'll edit it or delete it."
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
227. You may want to read my response to post #17 before you ask if I read post #17.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:25 PM
Sep 2020


Breathe.....
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
234. Lulz.... Red herring fallacy.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:34 PM
Sep 2020


BTW - still waiting on what other "Trump nominee" in that tweet you're trying so hard to deny was talking about if not Barrett. One that has the power to overturn the ACA, to be specific. There were so many, weren't there?




 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
248. Still waiting on what Trump nominee you think they were talking about...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:52 PM
Sep 2020


We’re in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting conditions with this nominee.

It’s that simple.


 

melman

(7,681 posts)
255. .
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:59 PM
Sep 2020




Why so shy about mentioning her name?

They don't have that problem with other names. Try searching their profile for "McConnell" or "Graham" and you'll see.

Yeah, it's a cute trick talking about "priorities" and "this nominee" in order to give the impression they really said something when they haven't.

But why not come out and explicitly say "we oppose the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett"?


Because they don't.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
259. So you can't name any other Nominee yesterday that they would have been talking about, can you?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sep 2020

But do keep trying to copy and paste previous posts that don't answer the question instead, because that totally makes you right, and is not frantic doubling down whatsoever.

Your argument is moot if you can't even suggest who they were talking about if not the SCOTUS nominee Amy Barette - but do try to claim the tweet had nothing to do with the ACA again. That was fun.



Even Autumn has given up trying to come to your rescue.

BTW - absence of evidence does not = evidence of absence. That's the fallacy that you've been trying to prop up the most in your refusal to admit you are wrong. If everything is soaking wet outside with water dripping off the trees into puddles when you go out to get the paper, you can insist "IT DIDN"T RAIN LAST NIGHT" until you are blue in the face, but if you can't explain the water that's everywhere otherwise, no one is going to take you seriously no matter how loudly and how many times you repeat "IT DIDN"T RAIN LAST NIGHT"

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
155. I'm not
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Sep 2020

Already read it. Haven't seen it because they haven't done it.

They haven't.


Already did. Read my response to #8

George II

(67,782 posts)
161. You said "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett", that has been....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:51 PM
Sep 2020

....demonstrated to be untrue.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
162. It has not
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:08 PM
Sep 2020

You can pretend that someone muttering something on a podcast is the same as the official Lincoln Project twitter account tweeting to their 2.2 million followers but I'm not required to play along. And I'm not going to because it's not the same. It's just not.




The Lincoln Project haven't said one word about Amy Coney Barrett. Still.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
187. Silly, they're talking about some other person Trump nominated yesterday that could overturn the ACA
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:22 PM
Sep 2020

Because that would mean the claim in melman's OP is WRONG, and he's not doubling down by his flurry of responses.

And that just can't be!



They have been SILENT on the nomination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cha

(297,154 posts)
240. Mahalo, Goth! Rt! We're in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting..
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020
conditions with this nominee.

19.1K Retweets


70.6K Likes

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
289. What ever nominee could they possibly be referring to????? Without a name there's NO WAY
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:33 PM
Sep 2020

of KNOWING who they are TALKING ABOUT!!!

There were SO MANY people that Trump nomiated this week, and ALL of them could have impact on the ACA so WHO COULD IT BE????


Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
201. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Here the premise of this thead is a total lie and fabrication
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:46 PM
Sep 2020

Here is a good piece from the Lincoln Project that shows that you were totally and completely wrong in your claims.



You should consider self deleting your OP
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
230. So, who are they talking about in that post about "the nomination?"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:28 PM
Sep 2020

I mean there were SO many nominations by Trump yesterday... especially to positions where they could damage the ACA.

Right?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
239. Show me where they mentioned the ACA
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020

Explicitly. They never did and I'll tell you why.


Because none of these ghouls support it or ever have. And that's a fact.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
243. And we have moving the goalposts!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:43 PM
Sep 2020

You are trying so hard to deny the existence of that tweet that you are refusing to read it!

"We’re in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting conditions with this nominee.

It’s that simple."

But I'll play your game. Who else was nominated by Trump even this week, that the tweet would be talking about, let alone that would be capable of overturning pre-existing conditions?

I sense goalposts being moved yet again....






Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
236. Watch the vidoe or have someone watch it and explain it to you
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:37 PM
Sep 2020

The video is about the GOP senate cramming Barret through the Senate.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
244. And yet it doesn't mention Barrett or even say the words "Supreme Court"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:46 PM
Sep 2020

At all. Not even once.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
246. So who what nominee was the Lincoln Project talking about in that tweet
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:49 PM
Sep 2020

There were just SO many Trump nominees announced yesterday, and SO MANY could reverse protections enshrined in the ACA, right?

We’re in a pandemic. Trump wants to take away protections for preexisting conditions with this nominee.

It’s that simple.


Still waiting.

You know, it just looks worse and worse the more you keep frantically doubling down.

Simply saying, "I hadn't seen that tweet when I posted the OP, and I'll edit it or take it down," would do your credibility much more good.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
281. Honey, look at the date on it... September 25....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:16 PM
Sep 2020

The day before she was officially named as the nominee.

The tweet that's got you so upset was the day of the Trump nominating Barrett about Trump's nominee, and how it would affect the pre-existing conditions

But I'll play your game. What about that video indicates any support fior Amy Coney Barrett or that they are talking about only certain nominees being unacceptable for him to put forth? I don't hear them supporting her, just railing against the idea that he's nominating anyone...

But do tell us what nominee the Lincoln Project was tweeting about, and your assertion that they were not talking about her would make sense.

Response to melman (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
167. Lulz.... you really have a raspberry seed in your wisdom tooth about them, don't you?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:45 PM
Sep 2020


It's not like Democratic candidates haven't knowingly been the beneficiary of $$$$$$$ worth of GOP media ads before, and it wasn't like the candidate told his supporters to stop sharing on social media.

Know your history befeore you rant about how Republicans kicking in monetary support for Democrats is UNACCEPTABLE and MUST BE REJECTED....

Case in point:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/21/republicans-promoting-bernie-sanders-candidacy-embarrass-hillary-clinton/79088912/




steve2470

(37,457 posts)
197. Come back and ask me if I care, once Trump has left the White House
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:41 PM
Sep 2020

Until then I do *not* care. Sorry. Trump RIGHT NOW is more important, the asshole dictator wanna-be.

George II

(67,782 posts)
199. Not Barrett specifically, but the night BEFORE the nomination....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:44 PM
Sep 2020

....they clearly address the rush to nominate a conservative, knowing full well who it was going to be, and the fact that it would be dangerous:

https://lincolnproject.us/news/the-choice/

September 25, 2020 - In anticipation of President Trump’s announcement of his Supreme Court nomination this weekend, today The Lincoln Project released an ad featuring the hypocritical Republican Senators who have vowed to push Trump’s nomination through the Senate before the next president can be sworn in.

“The choice for Americans in this election could not be more clear,” said Reed Galen, co-founder of The Lincoln Project. “In their blind support of Donald Trump and his reelection, these Senators are no longer hiding that their loyalty is to the Republican party, not the American people.”

The 60-second ad “The Choice” condemns Republican Senators for tearing the country apart in their unending quest for power and position. It admonishes their unchecked power in their attempt to remake America in Trump’s image.

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
204. I know who they are, but getting Trump out of office is imperative.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:50 PM
Sep 2020

I will gladly take their help for that reason alone.

Also, no on #160... just stop it, people. The obsession is so weird.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
214. Can you explain to me why I have to worship them in all phases?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:07 PM
Sep 2020

Good for them that they hate Trump.

I don’t have to trust them.

When Democrats win the White House, Senate and House, we owe them NOTHING. Got that?

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
217. The hell?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:10 PM
Sep 2020

Who said you have to worship them? Certainly not me.

Maybe you responded to the wrong poster.

I can only see a third of the posts in this thread, so perhaps I am missing something.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
219. There are people here who clearly think we can't say a bad word about them
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:15 PM
Sep 2020

Im guessing you’re not noticing this?

It’s great they hate Trump. Most people do. Should we give them a medal?

Love their ads. But they are not getting jobs next January 20.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
263. A false dillema AND attacking another straw man. TWO-FER!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:22 PM
Sep 2020

Can you tell us who is offering them jobs? I haven't seen ANYONE tweet that they are.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
268. Of course they can't get jobs
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:30 PM
Sep 2020

Your buddy Gothmog said they can't because they are shunned by their former conspirators. Hence spending all this money out of the pure goodness of their heart to help us hapless whiny Democrats that can't get out of our own way!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
265. You are missing nothing. Somebody is itching to start a fight and doing it badly.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:26 PM
Sep 2020

It's comic really.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
264. Strawman after strawman getting set up and mowed down here!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:23 PM
Sep 2020

Hon, it's just not working. Nobody is bothering to defend against accusations that someone else pulled out of thin air.



EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
235. This is exactly the GOP they desire...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:36 PM
Sep 2020

Don’t get too cozy with The Lincoln Project.

They just happen to be playing useful idiots at the moment; however make no mistake: they are not our allies.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
253. The Lincoln Project's stated core mission is to defeat Donald Trump, and to make this a referendum
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:58 PM
Sep 2020

on his 4 years in office.

I have no doubt that some in TLP are anti abortion, and also some are pro choice.

Barrett is going to be confirmed to the SC, and there is nothing either you or TLP can do about it. Nothing.

The question then becomes, if you make this a shitfest on abortion, it will swing wavering Republicans back to the fold, cheering the GOP up.

However, if you make it about that Barrett will vote to kill the ACA, and pre-existing conditions, then you move the fight to a pitch that Democrats will be more than comfortable fighting on.

But Yay for ideological purity !

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
262. Attacking yet another Strawman? Did you find a sale?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:17 PM
Sep 2020


Still waiting for one of you to splain what Trump nominee the Lincoln Project was talking about in that tweet, since it CLEARLY wasn't about Amy Comey Barrett. Absence of evidence is TOTALLY evidence of absence, as they say.



Yeah, they're TOTALLY all about Trump nominating someone before inaguration.






Response to ehrnst (Reply #262)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
269. More strawmen. Am I allowed to reply directly, or is that an indication that
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:32 PM
Sep 2020

I'm praising all Republicans and all their policies? And want to offer them jobs! And have their Babies!!!!

Gee, calm down, will ya?

Still can't explain what Trump nominee that tweet was referring to if not Amy Comey Barrett, I see. I understand. There were just so many...





OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
274. Lol, nice word twist !
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:54 PM
Sep 2020

Of course not, but because the OP clearly despises those in TLP for being republicans, none of the good work they are doing to defeat Trump will ever satisfy the OP. That was the context for the "ideological purity".

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
266. I'm too pure to want Biden to win with any votes...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:27 PM
Sep 2020

that come from people who aren't pure enough for my standards.

Fuck anyone who might help defeat Trump if they're the "wrong" people.

George II

(67,782 posts)
272. Hah, yes indeed a couple of very important Americans on Twitter:
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:50 PM
Sep 2020

Doug Redecopp - no biography and 32 Followers

Kelli C - located in Ontario Canada

George II

(67,782 posts)
284. Twitter is very particular about who they verify as authentic and award their "blue checkmark"..
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:25 PM
Sep 2020

From Twitter itself:

The blue verified badge on Twitter lets people know that an account of public interest is authentic.


Joe Biden has that badge, neither of these two very important people have it.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
273. Um... George Conway left the Lincoln Project last month.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:53 PM
Sep 2020

So I don't see how his opinion is relevant to any discussion of the Lincoln Projects tweets from the last day or so, I think you'd agree. After all, George didn't even name the Lincoln Project in his tweet. So to assume that he's speaking for them is pretty silly, wouldn't you say?



https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513323-george-conway-says-he-is-withdrawing-from-lincoln-project

I suppose one other random guy on twitter who hasn't caught up with what's been tweeted TOTALLY shows that you're not alone in getting that wrong.

The Lincoln Project tweet must've been about some OTHER nomination that Trump made yesterday that has the potential to impact the ACA existing conditions clause, huh? Still sticking with that? Because they're SO supportive of Trump nominating ANYONE to replace RGB...

And I'll save you some embarassment - the video was from before the nomination, which is why it doesn't name her. It was their tweet that was right after her nomination about "his nominee" that you're trying very hard to deny. You're welcome.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
293. No one said they "trust" The Lincoln Project, just that they enjoy and appreciate their efforts....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:15 PM
Sep 2020

....in defeating trump and Republican Senators.

Is a "Welcome Back" in order?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
306. IKR?
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 06:05 PM
Sep 2020

Quadrupling down on something once one has been corrected on a rather huge error is so much less embarassing than simply owning that one made a mistake, apparently...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
304. Lulz...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:54 PM
Sep 2020

That TOTALLY PROVES that the Nominee that Trump put forward the other day is NOT the Trump nominee that the Lincoln Project is talking about in their tweet.

But I still don't see anyone talking about who it is instead...

Your OP is COMPLETELY validated, because a few people on twitter can't explain it any more than you can. One of them seems to also be completely unaware that Conway left a month ago. It seems they are also unaware of what's been tweeted and released by the Lincoln Project.




But do splain how this supports the nomination of Barrett. We'll wait.

Prior to her passing, Justice Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed,” a request that The Lincoln Project urges the Trump administration and U.S. Senate to honor.


https://lincolnproject.us/news/ginsburg/









George II

(67,782 posts)
310. A few points:
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 09:52 PM
Sep 2020

1. The premise is incorrect, they HAVE mentioned Barret
2. All those "people" are anonymous or unverified on Twitter
3. Some of those unverified people are bashing Biden. Are you okay with that?
4. No one else really cares

betsuni

(25,465 posts)
311. "Some of those unverified people are bashing Biden."
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

Oh dear. I distinctly remember someone insisting that posting a tweet means one of three things:

You visit that person's Twitter page
You follow that person
You follow someone who retweets that person

Why would anyone be okay with Biden-bashing?

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
315. Don't you know that the only opinions who matter are Nina Turner, Bri Brie and David Sirotal
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:06 AM
Sep 2020

We should only trust the poeple who voted for Stein in 2016 and shoulld ignore sources. The Lincoln Project has been very effective. This ad from the Lincoln Project is truly strong


Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
314. Lindsey Graham has been very effectively targeted by the Lincoln Project for this nomination
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:02 AM
Sep 2020

I doubt that Lindsey Graham would agree witht the silly but amusing premise of the OP. The Lincoln Project has targeted and hurt Graham basedon this SCOTUS nomination




 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
318. "The Lincoln Project Attacks Barrett Nomination"
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:52 AM
Sep 2020

People ARE noticing...the opposite of what your OP says concerning the Lincoln Project's video:

Got that? Nominating conservative constitutionalist Amy Coney Barrett is the GOP Senate’s “attempt to remake America in Trump’s image.”


https://spectator.org/lincoln-project-attacks-barrett-nomination/
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
322. You left them out of your "people are noticing" random twitter search.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 12:19 PM
Sep 2020


It's gotta be embarassing when even the Spectator figures out when a GOP SCOTUS nominee is being attacked, and you keep on doubling down that it's not true.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
326. Yeah I most certainly did leave out the American Spectator
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:02 PM
Sep 2020

I don't consider them a legitimate source in any way.


Am I embarrassed to hold that view? Not hardly.

George II

(67,782 posts)
324. Why are you limiting your search only to Twitter? Here's a report from CBS News from September 21..
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:29 PM
Sep 2020

....five days before the nomination. I respectfully recommend that you widen your search to all forms of media, not just Twitter.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
325. Against my better judgement I watched the entire 7 minutes and 22 seconds of that video
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:59 PM
Sep 2020

And guess what. There wasn't a single mention of Amy Coney Barrett.


And why do I search twitter for Lincoln Project statements? Because Twitter is their main platform where they have 2.2 million followers, and the place where they post all of their views and all all of their videos. As you well know.


And twitter is still the place where they have not mentioned the name Amy Coney Barrett. At All. Even once.






George II

(67,782 posts)
327. Right. About a week before her name was uttered by trump, they said they were against ANY of....
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:05 PM
Sep 2020

....trump's nominees. As I pointed out, her name is among that "ANY". There currently are roughly 1700 Federal judges. Do you expect them to list each and every one of those 1700? To most people "ANY" would suffice.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
328. Then that video isn't relevant to to the topic of this thread
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:12 PM
Sep 2020

which is this: "The Lincoln Project haven't said a single word about Amy Coney Barrett"


Says so right at the top.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
333. The Lincoln Project commenting negatively on a SCOTUS pick by Trump?
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:35 PM
Sep 2020

TOTALLLY irrelevant to your OP...

George II

(67,782 posts)
323. I posted the statement from The Lincoln Project that they cite.....
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:14 PM
Sep 2020

.....(it's not from the American Spectator, they're just commenting on TLP's own words) in this thread a day or two ago. It was pooh poohed at the time and the denial was doubled down upon.

BTW, off the subject, I found this interesting thing about The American Spectator:

The American Spectator was founded in 1924 by George Jean Nathan and Truman Newberry over a cheap domestic ale in McSorley’s Old Ale House.


McSorley's Old Ale House on East 7th Street in NYC is less than a block from my college, and was the first bar I ever went to in my life! McSorley's even indirectly references my college (founded in 1859) with a sign painted on the front window "We were here before you were born" - they were founded in 1854, five years earlier!

Lots of history in that ale house, and lots of stories to go around.

Response to ehrnst (Reply #318)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
335. So you agree melman is wrong.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 06:18 PM
Sep 2020


I hadn't heard that TLP had called her that - sharing a link to your source would enhance your credibility.



And here's some fawning adoration of her by TLP, wouldn't you say:




Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
340. Longtime Republican strategists behind the Lincoln Project mounting rogue offensive against trump
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 04:09 PM
Oct 2020

The Lincoln Project has been very effective




A group of longtime Republican political operatives trying to unseat the president say they are willing to forgo a future in Republican politics to oust a leader they believe has driven the party of Lincoln into the ground. Lesley Stahl reports on the anti-Trump Super PAC the "Lincoln Project," whose lifelong Republican founders include former John McCain strategists Steve Schmidt and John Weaver, on the next edition of 60 Minutes, Sunday, October 11 at 7:30 p.m. ET and 7 p.m. PT on CBS.

Schmidt and seven co-founders launched the Lincoln Project last December in hopes of reaching out to other Republicans they believed were also unhappy with President Trump. "What we thought we could do is talk to those voters in the language and the iconography that they understand, connect with them, and persuade them, many of them, to vote for the Democratic nominee for the first time in their lives," says Schmidt.

Other co-founders of the Lincoln Project include Republican media consultant and author Rick Wilson; George W. Bush campaign veteran Reed Galen; and George Conway, Trump critic and husband of former White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway. "None of us will ever work in Republican politics again," Schmidt tells Stahl. "We joke that-- like some of the explorers who came to the new world, they were incentivized by the captain when he burned the ships…" Asked whether his actions have cost him friends, he replies, "For sure. Of course."

The Lincoln Project made a name for itself with its numerous attack ads, released almost every day on social media. The ads go for the jugular. They have accused the president of being a draft dodger, disrespecting veterans, and failing in his response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Critics charge the negative attack ads are right out of the playbook used by President Trump. That's the plan, says Wilson, who is in charge of the advertising. "There's always a reflexive sort of, do-gooder instinct to say, 'Oh, I hate negative ads.' People do hate negative ads, but negative ads work," he says.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
343. Two cheers for the Never Trump conservatives
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 08:56 PM
Dec 2020



The shameful complicity of Republican leaders in President Trump’s torrent of deceit about our election tells us there is little hope for a more reasonable post-Trump GOP. But what about conservatism as a philosophy? Is it equally discredited?

Let’s begin by just saying it: The country owes the Never Trump conservatives a debt.

Yes, many progressives have been uneasy with these unusual allies. They insist that Trump was not some alien imposition on conservatism but rather the product of long-standing trends in Republican politics. Trafficking in racial division and racism, nativism, extremism, conspiracy theories and voter suppression did not start with Trump.

Progressives are entirely right about this. But the Never Trumpers deserve our respect precisely because so many of them stood against these tendencies and, in more cases than not, undertook a deeper critique of their own side......

Of course, I’d like the anti-Trump conservatives to admit the error of their ways and fully join my side of politics. But failing that, I still appreciate what they did. And I hope at least they can now champion a brand of conservatism that is about more than making the rich richer and the powerful more powerful.
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