Not much is being discussed about the union families and how so many voted for trump in 2016

[beachbumbob]

the outcome in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania all were effected by these votes. The irony is clear here. One of the remaining MAJOR objectives of trump and GOP is the repeal of the Federal Prevailing Wage ACT. IF trump retains power, this will happen by EO and the 6-3 SC will uphold it.

Once the Federal Prevailing Wage Act is repealed, the days of the union contractor and union workers are over. The union families voting GOP will see there jobs and futures demolished. Once trade unions are demolished, all other unions pretty much go away. A 6-3 SCOTUS will then dismantle worker health and safety requirements, workers rights, etc.

These families will destroy themselves as well as the rest of our country

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. Racism over Unionism

[beachbumbob]

2. thats the trigger obviously but I find too many union people

(as my family circle have/had many) do not understand the Prevailing wage act and how that impacts their existence, especially in the skilled trades

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. It is more than frustrating.

[beachbumbob]

4. yep. Like what part of stupid are you that you want your future destroyed,

all part of taught ignorance

[Boogiemack]

6. Joe will have an opportunity to educate some folks about this. He has to find a way

to get this in. I am sure Trump does not really understand this in depth, just superficially.

[beachbumbob]

11. we see the results already in several states as some blue collar white voters are leaving trump

in significant numbers

[Demsrule86]

7. I live in Ohio; my husband has worked in five auto plants during his career and all have

closed. The income inequality has grown as a result...and this has happened no matter who was president. You want to win union voters back (and Biden is making inroads) than do something to help them and the Midwest. Hint...do no use the 'R' word ...retraining often for non-existent jobs and do not say, 'the jobs are not coming back'...just don't.

[rufus dog]

20. Need more info

I must be missing the point, are you saying Pols should NOT talk about retraining and also should NOT talk about the automotive jobs NOT coming back?

Jobs can be saved and some might come back IF people like your husband agree to huge pay cuts and a non-union workforce.
Without those concessions (along with others because once those concessions are given the assholes will force more on people like your husband) there are very few options, with retraining being the best.

[Demsrule86]

5. It is not about racism...it is about Trump's lies to make manufacturing come back...what did

they hear from us? Retraining and the jobs are not coming back...that is not a winning message. Biden has a plan for the Mid West which include reviving old manufacturing and bringing 21st century manufacturing jobs to Ohio and other Mid Western states. And many Union voters are back which is why Ohio is in play.

After the 2008 great recession, the Mid West did not make a great recovery. Many went from great union jobs to working at McDonalds. Thousands of union jobs were lost. Thank God the autos were saved but companies like Delphi and parts manufacturers were not saved.Those jobs went overseas. Also, the TPP should never have been an election year fight. It only helped Trump and harmed our nominee.

I have heard for years in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states I have lived in that the only time they matter is during the presidential election. We want to keep blue wall states, we need to do better than this. And Biden is doing better. He has a plan. And of course Trump has been shown to be a liar and a cheat. I always knew that having gone to High School and College in Connecticut. Besides...I always vote blue...always.

[The Magistrate]

8. Without The Racism, Ma'am, They Wouldn't Believe The Lies

It may be that some have had a bellyful of consequences, personal and economic, from voting their racism instead of their citizenship, and have clearer heads now, at least temporarily.

[Demsrule86]

13. They were desperate to believe the lies...I don't think those not in the Midwest understand

the desperation here about jobs. My husband I were in two plants that closed in less than a year...and were lucky to have a job. Many lost their jobs and everything they worked for. One of the reasons Romney has no chance here is he cost many jobs in Ohio and was despised because of it. At the moment both hubs and I are out of work.

Trump used this angst to get elected. We need to bring jobs and prosperity everywhere and not ignore the Midwest with a 'the jobs are not coming back' quip ...I live in the midwest and if you look at the electoral map, this region is very important for Democrats...without blue wall states , we will struggle to win presidential races going forward. This year Biden is reaching out and Ohio is in play as a result...Let's continue to work for all 50 states and remember, in order to win presidential elections, we need blue wall states. And besides, it is time to help a region that has been largely ignored for years. We came damn close to losing autos completely...and I will always be grateful that we didn't thanks to Biden and Obama. But since that time Ford and GM plants have closed in Ohio and multiple plants have closed in Michigan.

[The Magistrate]

15. Desperation Is No Excuse, Ma'am

Particularly when the initial defections among union voters, for Nixon and then for Reagan, are what set the course for the busting of unions and the transfer of manufacturing works first to non-union states and then overseas.

There is an air of the boy who murdered his parents and pleads the court for mercy because he is an orphan in the line pressed in exculpation of people who failed their duty to their country and themselves by believing this cheap thug was going to do one damned thing that would relieve them of the consequences of following in the footsteps of their 'Reagan Democrat' elders.

People who voted for Trump did so because they see in him themselves writ large --- he talks the same simplistic nonesense and racist poison they talk among themselves, and has the manners and tastes they are sure they would have, if only they had their rights and were rich, instead of all their money being taken for lazy non-white bums on welfare, not to mention the damn women insisting on being respected, and on collecting their child support..

[Demsrule86]

16. You miss the point. I am not making excuses. I am telling you how it was period.

People voted for more jobs in large part. Are some racist? Of course this is true but that wasn't
why many voted for Trump...I know many former Trumpers who voted for Obama and are now supporting Biden after finding out Trump lied. They like Biden's plan for our region. Sometimes it is about jobs.

But consider this, without the mid west, we will struggle to win presidential elections going forward. And you know saying the Mid West is racist and beyond help is sort of the same thing as saying the jobs aren't coming back-not helpful. Good discussion.

[The Magistrate]

19. I Do Not Miss The Point, Ma'am, I Merely Hone It Sharper

They say they voted for jobs. They lie, to themselves perhaps, to people who ask why they voted as they did certainly. They lie because they are still a little embarrassed about their racism, but still in private they voted their racism, to maintain for themselves the 'wages of whiteness' Mr. W. E. B. Du Boise identified a century ago. They may not have what the folks on the hill have got, but at least they're better than any black or any broad.

[beachbumbob]

10. its always about racism, some of the biggest racists I have come across has been in UAW plants

[Demsrule86]

12. Racism is everywhere. But you miss the point if you ignore it is also about jobs lost...many

going overseas.

[Demsrule86]

17. There is racism everywhere sadly. But consider manufacturing was one of the first industries to

to integrate and also hire ex-cons.

[lindysalsagal]

9. I have first hand knowledge that many union members are gop

and it boggles my mind. I want to scream in their faces. People I know well.

[Demsrule86]

14. I have worked with union members every election and many are not GOP...consider the large

number of union jobs lost in this region and how we absolutely need blue wall states in order to win presidential elections. We need to create more good paying union jobs. I believe Biden can do this.

[NickB79]

18. Same here. Majority of my co-workers are Trumpers

And we're all Teamsters.

A huge undercurrent of racism (factory is 90% white), combined with God, guns and abortion. Sprinkle in a couple QAnon guys and it's a shit soup.