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Do we know how the Times got his tax records? (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Sep 2020 OP
I have to believe the Times has vetted the shit out of this BKDem Sep 2020 #1
I agree. NYT would not like this to blow up in thier faces if it were false. marble falls Sep 2020 #5
They probably have years of financial records not his actual 1040 docs. brush Sep 2020 #15
How long have they had them? Sneederbunk Sep 2020 #2
News organizations don't reveal sources. frazzled Sep 2020 #3
Banks would have copies RandySF Sep 2020 #4
No clue. Laelth Sep 2020 #6
I'm hoping Deutsche Bank and the Russian ties are revealed. Funtatlaguy Sep 2020 #11
Were not those ties Wellstone ruled Sep 2020 #14
This is NYTimes Pre-Christmas sale version of the October Surprise. 5X Sep 2020 #7
Most likely someone in the financial industry dalton99a Sep 2020 #8
From the Times PirateRo Sep 2020 #9
Very interesting. Thank you. Funtatlaguy Sep 2020 #12
+1 MustLoveBeagles Sep 2020 #17
It might be the Trump campaign leaking this before someone else does closer to Nov 3 ... marble falls Sep 2020 #10
No fucking way. JI7 Sep 2020 #16
Did you see how cool he played it at the press conference? I waited for him to blow up ... marble falls Sep 2020 #19
His handlers have tripled his dose of whatever he snorts up his ugly nose. llmart Sep 2020 #20
I want him sweat soaked and runny nosed at the election. marble falls Sep 2020 #22
No and don't expect to find out Bev54 Sep 2020 #13
My first knee jerk thought was - is this a setup? AnnaLee Sep 2020 #18
The NYT would publish only if 100% certain the documents are real Cicada Sep 2020 #23
Mary Trump got old records from a lawsuit against Trump Cicada Sep 2020 #21
From the article chowder66 Sep 2020 #24

brush

(53,771 posts)
15. They probably have years of financial records not his actual 1040 docs.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:07 PM
Sep 2020

If they do have them I doubt they would admit it—legal liability.

And the Manhattan DA is still trying to get them through the courts.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. News organizations don't reveal sources.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:52 PM
Sep 2020

They say they will not in the article. They did say the sources had LEGAL access to the documents and materials.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. No clue.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:57 PM
Sep 2020

My guess would be Deutsche Bank. Some bank insider, probably, anonymously sent them to a Times reporter who then confirmed with that source on condition of maintaining anonymity.

A Federal Judge already told Cy Vance that he could have gotten the returns if he really wanted them (signaling that there was no legal bar to their release). Someone at the bank probably felt that was good enough and released them.

But, no. We don’t really know yet.

No way the Times is going to ruin their reputation just to hurt Trump a little in an election that he is already losing. The story is quite believable.

-Laelth

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Were not those ties
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:07 PM
Sep 2020

revealed in that thousands of pages of FinCen that dropped two weeks ago? BTW,the press sure laid down on that one. Who ever thinks the Press is free,better think before they say it. Read a few of the Documents in that PDF,disclosures of Tin Pot Dictators moving money via Shell Companies and a string of Banks seems to be the coin of every realm.

5X

(3,972 posts)
7. This is NYTimes Pre-Christmas sale version of the October Surprise.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:58 PM
Sep 2020

Trying to beat everyone to the punch.

PirateRo

(933 posts)
9. From the Times
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:59 PM
Sep 2020

An Editor’s Note on the Trump Tax Investigation
The New York Times has examined decades of President Trump’s financial records, assembling the most comprehensive picture yet of his business dealings.

Dean Baquet
By Dean Baquet
Sept. 27, 2020
Updated 5:32 p.m. ET

Today we are publishing the results of an examination of decades of personal and corporate tax records for President Trump and his businesses in the United States and abroad. The records stretch from his days as a high-profile New York real estate investor through the beginning of his time in the White House.

A team of New York Times reporters has pored over this information to assemble the most comprehensive picture of the president’s finances and business dealings to date, and we will continue our reporting and publish additional articles about our findings in the weeks ahead. We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public.

We are publishing this report because we believe citizens should understand as much as possible about their leaders and representatives — their priorities, their experiences and also their finances. Every president since the mid-1970s has made his tax information public. The tradition ensures that an official with the power to shake markets and change policy does not seek to benefit financially from his actions.

Mr. Trump, one of the wealthiest presidents in the nation’s history, has broken with that practice. As a candidate and as president, Mr. Trump has said he wanted to make his tax returns public, but he has never done so. In fact, he has fought relentlessly to hide them from public view and has falsely asserted that he could not release them because he was being audited by the Internal Revenue Service. More recently, Mr. Trump and the Justice Department have fought subpoenas from congressional and New York State investigators seeking his taxes and other financial records.
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Our latest findings build on our previous reporting about the president’s finances. The records show a significant gap between what Mr. Trump has said to the public and what he has disclosed to federal tax authorities over many years. They also underscore why citizens would want to know about their president’s finances: Mr. Trump’s businesses appear to have benefited from his position, and his far-flung holdings have created potential conflicts between his own financial interests and the nation’s diplomatic interests.

The reporters who examined these records have been covering the president’s finances and taxes for almost four years. Their work on this and other projects was guided by Paul Fishleder, a senior investigative editor, and Matthew Purdy, a deputy managing editor who oversees investigations and special projects at The Times.

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Dean Baquet became the executive editor of The Times in May 2014 after serving as managing editor and Washington bureau chief. He was previously the editor of the Los Angeles Times.

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
10. It might be the Trump campaign leaking this before someone else does closer to Nov 3 ...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:59 PM
Sep 2020

If you can't stop bad news, get in front of it and blunt it as much as possible: basic damage control 101.

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
19. Did you see how cool he played it at the press conference? I waited for him to blow up ...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:14 PM
Sep 2020

per his usual and walk out. I was very disappointed when he didn't.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
20. His handlers have tripled his dose of whatever he snorts up his ugly nose.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:18 PM
Sep 2020

They probably wouldn't let him go out there until he was coked up.

AnnaLee

(1,038 posts)
18. My first knee jerk thought was - is this a setup?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:13 PM
Sep 2020

Then I realized that it didn't matter. Trump can either let the numbers stand or put it out for everyone to see. If he thinks the truth is better that the NYT reports, let him open his books.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
23. The NYT would publish only if 100% certain the documents are real
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:28 PM
Sep 2020

There source must be impeccable plus there must be independent confirmation. The NYT for the 2018 story said they believed getting that story wrong would be the end of the NYT and possibly the end of the free press in the US. The authors had to prove accuracy of every word in the 2018 to outside lawyers. Proof, double rock solid proof.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
21. Mary Trump got old records from a lawsuit against Trump
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:20 PM
Sep 2020

She turned over about 100,000 pages leading to the Oct 2018 NYT article. She had internal accounting records, bank statements. Comparing internal records with tax returns proved that the Trump family committed massive tax fraud. Tax returns did not match internal records. This story seems to be just tax returns. Lenders and insurers could legally obtain those. Maybe someone in a lawsuit could get them like Mary did.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
24. From the article
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:48 PM
Sep 2020
House Democrats who have been in hot pursuit of Mr. Trump’s tax returns most likely have no idea that at least some of the records are sitting in a congressional office building. George Yin, a former chief of staff for the joint committee, said that any identifying information about taxpayers under review was tightly held among a handful of staff lawyers and was rarely shared with politicians assigned to the committee.
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