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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAxelrod on CNN just now (paraphrasing): "I think Trump lost the presidency tonight."
Even Santorum isn't sticking up for Trump.
Edit: Now Van Jones is losing his shit. I guess he doesn't think Trump became President tonight.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,738 posts)because like Carville, he can be hard on our own...
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Hes not prone to pro Dem hyperbole. His comment got my attention.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)What are the non-partisans saying?
EarlG
(21,942 posts)Personally, I think they're deluded. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
Mossfern
(2,466 posts)GopherGal
(2,008 posts)says that Chris Wallace is a villain and Hair Furor was fighting two against one.
A few posts on the order of "Joe had the questions" and gloating that "just shut up" was a big misstep
So, basically, exactly not what they'd be saying if they sincerely though their boy had won the debate.
robbob
(3,524 posts)I mean, seriously, what response is appropriate for a loud month blowhard who wont stop interrupting? And Im sure anyone watching agreed 100% with that reaction as they were probably thinking the exact same thing.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)The same thing one day as he just happened to hear Trump ranting!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)That asshole just lost us the White House AND the Senate. Probably our state house too. Holy crap. What a loser!
Mz Pip
(27,434 posts)and his minions would cheer. He pretty much did crap on the floor and his minions are cheering. At least the Proud Boys are.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...agrees 100%.
WOW!!!!!!
elleng
(130,848 posts)Cables deterred on my DirecTV. Storm?
littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)I woke up to the sound of the roof trying to lift off.
elleng
(130,848 posts)This is a minor rain storm!
littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)I definitely wasn't able to drift back off. Thankfully it's all over now. The storm and the "debate"...
I did find the tornado apropos of the moment.
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hatrack
(59,583 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)was closer. It tore through the volunteer fire house, lots of trees and a couple of barns. I guess I'll find out in the morning what, if anything, is damaged.
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hatrack
(59,583 posts)1,001 uses!`
littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)The thing isn't about the actual vote. Trump's figuring out a way to stay in power for 4 more years by trying to de-legitimizing the vote.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)We need to be prepared to take him down when he tries it.
And he knows damn well he is not going to win a legitimate vote. The debate is a set up to further stir up his violent supporters.
AdamGG
(1,288 posts)Uncle_Remus
(23 posts)I guarantee there will be heavily armed trump supporters showing up at polling locations.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)By voting early. Guns don't help them intimidate if you vote early.
elleng
(130,848 posts)Problems arise when his followers 'erupt.'
PNW-Dem
(244 posts)Cha
(297,064 posts)I agree with this completely.
Yeah, they have guns. Lots of people have guns, including the military & FBI.
They're punks and will slither into their holes.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Biden will be sworn in on Jan 20.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)He does not care about Democracy. He thinks he is a Strongman and will do ANYTHING to be like his pal Putin.
He is using Race to fuel the hate.
We need to be aware and watchful, and be prepared to respond appropriately.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)he's thinking: "Why do I have to do this? Putin doesn't!!!!!!!!"
Yeah, that's our boy, BunkerBoy!
GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Condemning Trump with every sentence
I am happy with my decision to skip the debate but watch the post debate analysis
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)I tried several times to watch but couldnt stand even 5 min of that disaster.
lastlib
(23,200 posts)I couldn't stand to watch much of his lying obnoxious shoutfest. I was pretty much embarrassed to be an American tonight, with the rest of the world watching.
wnylib
(21,417 posts)switched to radio (NPR) about 5 minutes into it.
Couldn't stand watching Trump's face. Listening without video makes me more attentive to what's being said.
crickets
(25,959 posts)The condemnation of trump's behavior tonight is unanimous.
calimary
(81,192 posts)I CANNOT imagine another four years of this lying, rude, loudmouth lout!
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)I flipped over there, saw his face and instantly turned away before I heard him open his Pie hole.
infullview
(978 posts)ResistantAmerican17
(3,797 posts)ResistantAmerican17
(3,797 posts)infullview
(978 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Illumination
(2,458 posts)president!...
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)They really don't care except that Trump makes them feel better than the other.
klook
(12,153 posts)His base loves the spectacle of brutality, of course. But I can't imagine any of the few remaining undecided voters were convinced by Trump's torrent of blatant lies, his reliance on his favorite crutch -- random personal attacks -- or the inability to articulate even the vaguest outlines of a plan for the economy, the coronavirus, climate, or healthcare.
Trump's floor is pretty steady -- sure, I wish it would slip further, but the bad news for him is:
- His current approval rating is 43.7% (source: FiveThirtyEight)
- Incumbent presidents with approval ratings well below 50% typically do not win re-election. (Source: Gallup)
- Here's the list of all U.S. Presidents since 1900 who won re-elections during a recession: 1. William McKinley, 1900 (Source: Newsweek)
- In every election involving an incumbent president since the emergence of the political polling industry, if the president has a negative approval rating, he loses. (Source: MinnPost)
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)It's fun to say, "Yeah, he screwed the pooch tonight!" - but DAYUM, you brought in 'da facts!!!!
It is one thing to have a good "gut" feeling about it all, but you brought it all to life with numbers.
Good stuff!
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)The more of them there still are the closer it is and the easier for him to steal the election.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)That response is nonsensical. Next!
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)They are fascists at worst, and water carriers for fascists at best.
They won't vote for Biden-Harris. Ever.
They literally do not care about others, nor our Democracy. Ever.
Why do you care about their opinion?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)showed strength and force and, well, gladiator style.
Gladiators killed people in an unfair, staged "fight"
Midnight Writer
(21,737 posts)It was all "He sure gave'em hell!" over there.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)SansACause
(520 posts)I don't see how any Trump supporter would change their vote after tonight. He stayed on the same message that he won on in 2016. The only difference I could see is that Hillary tried to take the high road, and Biden punched back like a kid from Scranton who was having none of his bullying.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Trump needs to gain 3 points tonight.
He lost 3
Jon King
(1,910 posts)CNN needs to put and end to the stupid '14 undecided voters in Ohio' silly segment. All of them are really Trumpers and each one sounds dumb as a box of rocks when they attempt to analyze the debate.
radius777
(3,635 posts)After the debate 8 of them remained undecided (because the debate was a mess and they couldn't hear anything), and of the 6 who decided 4 of them will vote for Biden and 2 for Trump.
One guy said Biden was correct to call Trump a clown 'if the shoe fits.. if the clown shoe fits' lol.
The bigger news is that Ohio is in play - when Trump won it by 10 points last time.
RGTIndy
(203 posts)All the "undecided voters" that get on television are con artists.
Aussie105
(5,366 posts)Just a reminder the rest of the world is watching, judging, and hoping for the best.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)I couldnt watch the whole debate.
Between MF45, the pandemic, the recession, and the suppression of our civil rights, life in the USA is a never ending nightmare. I havent slept well since November 2016.
littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)WHICH is basically claim it was a fraudulent Election which he plans to take to the SUPREME court, who will hear it and HIS JUDGES WILL GIVE him the Presidency ..because they are loyal to him not to their oath of office.
カミ様助けてください!
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)tandem5
(2,072 posts)Cha
(297,064 posts)santorum? omg!
Yeah I was bracing for a post that had Van Jones in the title but trump lost him too.
musclecar6
(1,685 posts)Acted like a raging 5 year old. Joe, while keeping his cool, responded like the kid from Scranton and metaphorically knocked this loudmouth big bully on his ass, which the decent people in the USA and the rest of the world were waiting for. Ya made us proud Joe.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)Or being the puppet of a dictator or breaking laws left and right or lying constantly or threatening to end heaalth care and Social Security and medicare .........................
RGTIndy
(203 posts)The polls haven't fluctuated much at all for months. Trump was losing before the debate and I doubt it moves the needle much either way.