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Axelrod on CNN just now (paraphrasing): "I think Trump lost the presidency tonight." (Original Post) EarlG Sep 2020 OP
Yes. He lost it on the white supremacy lack of condemnation. roamer65 Sep 2020 #1
he endorsed it, instructing a white supremacist organization "stand by" AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #24
Yep. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #28
I'm glad Axelrod gave an opinion BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #2
Yep. And that's why it carries a lot of weight with me. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #18
And I'm sure Republican activists are saying "I think Trump won re-election tonight." regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #3
Course the Republicans are saying that EarlG Sep 2020 #4
Are there any non-partisans left in the US? Mossfern Sep 2020 #5
Not sure about non-partisans, but a quick toe dipped into freeperville GopherGal Sep 2020 #11
"Just shut up" was probably cheered by 75% of Americans robbob Sep 2020 #70
My Son yelled True Blue American Sep 2020 #73
No Republicans are saying: vlyons Sep 2020 #39
Trump could crap on the floor Mz Pip Sep 2020 #59
WOW! This die-hard Bernie supporter.... JoeOtterbein Sep 2020 #6
Sounds good. elleng Sep 2020 #7
I had a tornado pass west of me thirty minutes in. I had fallen asleep. littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #29
OYE! elleng Sep 2020 #32
I must have been pretty bored to fall asleep. littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #38
Damn! Hope all is intact (including you)! hatrack Sep 2020 #34
All is well, hatrack. It was a close call. The last one here littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #41
When in doubt, roofing nails! hatrack Sep 2020 #49
Thanks. littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #51
The thing is Windy City Charlie Sep 2020 #8
The debate proved this. He is an authoritarian who will not abide by votes when he loses. Tommymac Sep 2020 #14
Yes, that's what he was telling the Proud Boys to 'stand by' for. AdamGG Sep 2020 #26
And told them to "watch" the polls Uncle_Remus Sep 2020 #30
Go Over Top Of Them DallasNE Sep 2020 #53
He'll be removed from WH by Secret Service etc. elleng Sep 2020 #33
I don't give a shit about his followers PNW-Dem Sep 2020 #43
Wow.. I like that tweet from Glen Kirschner.. Rt. TY! Cha Sep 2020 #56
+1 ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #66
It doesn't matter if Trump abides by the vote or not vlyons Sep 2020 #40
Unless The Killer Clown resorts to violence. Tonight told me that is on Dump's plate. Tommymac Sep 2020 #46
On one of the follow-up shows tonight someone said.... MyOwnPeace Sep 2020 #58
CNN has been great Awsi Dooger Sep 2020 #9
I'm with you Ligyron Sep 2020 #16
Nicole and Joy MSNBC were furious. lastlib Sep 2020 #19
I started watching online, but wnylib Sep 2020 #52
Same here. I've been flipping back and forth between CNN and MSNBC. crickets Sep 2020 #35
Even Santorum?!?! calimary Sep 2020 #10
Santorum said that??? Traildogbob Sep 2020 #21
CNN Dana Bash said on air "This was a shit show" infullview Sep 2020 #12
Sorry for the dupe... you bested me by a hair. ResistantAmerican17 Sep 2020 #20
Loved Dana Bash..."this is cable. It was a shitshow." Game set match. ResistantAmerican17 Sep 2020 #13
NBD I think you did a more accurate quote than I did infullview Sep 2020 #25
The only correction I would make is that he didn't include the word "think"! George II Sep 2020 #15
Well let's just put it this way. Trump performed poorly for someone called a so called Illumination Sep 2020 #17
What I worry about is Trump's hardcore supporters. Susan Calvin Sep 2020 #22
Trump sure didn't convince anybody to vote for him tonight. klook Sep 2020 #47
Hey, klook - great research! MyOwnPeace Sep 2020 #60
Remind me again, are MAGATs the only people voting in this election? BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #61
No, but Susan Calvin Sep 2020 #67
You should have stopped at "No" BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #69
Whatever you say boss............ nt Susan Calvin Sep 2020 #71
None of us care about them obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #68
Stopped by FOX for a moment, and they said Trump won. "Such a strong gladiator, he FailureToCommunicate Sep 2020 #23
Hannity was quoting "polls"! 66% Trump 25 Biden 60% Trump 30% Biden Midnight Writer Sep 2020 #57
We can only hope he is right! riversedge Sep 2020 #27
I think I agree...Trump is not fit to be president...and tonight it was on display. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #31
He stuck to his 2016 playbook. He won in 2016. SansACause Sep 2020 #36
I am not a fan of Van jones. hope he will lose his shirt riversedge Sep 2020 #37
57 - 43 on 11/3. grantcart Sep 2020 #42
CNN pretend undecided voters Jon King Sep 2020 #44
It's Ohio, so they're likely more conservative, but they did seem critical of Trump. radius777 Sep 2020 #64
It's a chance to be on teevee RGTIndy Sep 2020 #75
Watched the debate live here on Australian TV, live. Aussie105 Sep 2020 #45
Thank you. We Americans need the support of our friends & allies abroad. CottonBear Sep 2020 #65
Kicked and recommended. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2020 #48
Actually I don't think he cares cause he has a scheme going yuiyoshida Sep 2020 #50
Van isn't crying tonight? sarcasmo Sep 2020 #54
not even a little snort tandem5 Sep 2020 #62
Especially since trump was already LOSING! Cha Sep 2020 #55
Trump musclecar6 Sep 2020 #63
Amazing that killing 250,000 citizens wasn't enough to lose the election rurallib Sep 2020 #72
That's a nice soundbite, but it's nonsense RGTIndy Sep 2020 #74

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
18. Yep. And that's why it carries a lot of weight with me.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:11 PM
Sep 2020

He’s not prone to pro Dem hyperbole. His comment got my attention.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. And I'm sure Republican activists are saying "I think Trump won re-election tonight."
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:49 PM
Sep 2020

What are the non-partisans saying?

EarlG

(21,942 posts)
4. Course the Republicans are saying that
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:50 PM
Sep 2020

Personally, I think they're deluded. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

GopherGal

(2,008 posts)
11. Not sure about non-partisans, but a quick toe dipped into freeperville
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:59 PM
Sep 2020

says that Chris Wallace is a villain and Hair Furor was fighting two against one.

A few posts on the order of "Joe had the questions" and gloating that "just shut up" was a big misstep

So, basically, exactly not what they'd be saying if they sincerely though their boy had won the debate.

robbob

(3,524 posts)
70. "Just shut up" was probably cheered by 75% of Americans
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:40 PM
Sep 2020

I mean, seriously, what response is appropriate for a loud month blowhard who won’t stop interrupting? And I’m sure anyone watching agreed 100% with that reaction as they were probably thinking the exact same thing.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
39. No Republicans are saying:
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:48 PM
Sep 2020

That asshole just lost us the White House AND the Senate. Probably our state house too. Holy crap. What a loser!

Mz Pip

(27,434 posts)
59. Trump could crap on the floor
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:16 AM
Sep 2020

and his minions would cheer. He pretty much did crap on the floor and his minions are cheering. At least the Proud Boys are.

littlemissmartypants

(22,628 posts)
29. I had a tornado pass west of me thirty minutes in. I had fallen asleep.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:35 PM
Sep 2020

I woke up to the sound of the roof trying to lift off.

littlemissmartypants

(22,628 posts)
38. I must have been pretty bored to fall asleep.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:47 PM
Sep 2020

I definitely wasn't able to drift back off. Thankfully it's all over now. The storm and the "debate"...
I did find the tornado apropos of the moment.

littlemissmartypants

(22,628 posts)
41. All is well, hatrack. It was a close call. The last one here
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:51 PM
Sep 2020

was closer. It tore through the volunteer fire house, lots of trees and a couple of barns. I guess I'll find out in the morning what, if anything, is damaged.


Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
8. The thing is
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:52 PM
Sep 2020

The thing isn't about the actual vote. Trump's figuring out a way to stay in power for 4 more years by trying to de-legitimizing the vote.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
14. The debate proved this. He is an authoritarian who will not abide by votes when he loses.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:02 PM
Sep 2020

We need to be prepared to take him down when he tries it.

And he knows damn well he is not going to win a legitimate vote. The debate is a set up to further stir up his violent supporters.

Uncle_Remus

(23 posts)
30. And told them to "watch" the polls
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:37 PM
Sep 2020

I guarantee there will be heavily armed trump supporters showing up at polling locations.

PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
43. I don't give a shit about his followers
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:53 PM
Sep 2020

and neither should you. They are nothing but a bunch of posing cowards.


ProfessorGAC

(64,975 posts)
66. +1
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:52 AM
Sep 2020

I agree with this completely.
Yeah, they have guns. Lots of people have guns, including the military & FBI.
They're punks and will slither into their holes.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
46. Unless The Killer Clown resorts to violence. Tonight told me that is on Dump's plate.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:56 PM
Sep 2020

He does not care about Democracy. He thinks he is a Strongman and will do ANYTHING to be like his pal Putin.

He is using Race to fuel the hate.

We need to be aware and watchful, and be prepared to respond appropriately.



MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
58. On one of the follow-up shows tonight someone said....
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:11 AM
Sep 2020

he's thinking: "Why do I have to do this? Putin doesn't!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, that's our boy, BunkerBoy!

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
9. CNN has been great
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

Condemning Trump with every sentence

I am happy with my decision to skip the debate but watch the post debate analysis

lastlib

(23,200 posts)
19. Nicole and Joy MSNBC were furious.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:11 PM
Sep 2020

I couldn't stand to watch much of his lying obnoxious shoutfest. I was pretty much embarrassed to be an American tonight, with the rest of the world watching.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
52. I started watching online, but
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:17 AM
Sep 2020

switched to radio (NPR) about 5 minutes into it.

Couldn't stand watching Trump's face. Listening without video makes me more attentive to what's being said.

crickets

(25,959 posts)
35. Same here. I've been flipping back and forth between CNN and MSNBC.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:44 PM
Sep 2020

The condemnation of trump's behavior tonight is unanimous.

Traildogbob

(8,709 posts)
21. Santorum said that???
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:12 PM
Sep 2020

I flipped over there, saw his face and instantly turned away before I heard him open his Pie hole.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
17. Well let's just put it this way. Trump performed poorly for someone called a so called
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:10 PM
Sep 2020

president!...

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
22. What I worry about is Trump's hardcore supporters.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:14 PM
Sep 2020

They really don't care except that Trump makes them feel better than the other.

klook

(12,153 posts)
47. Trump sure didn't convince anybody to vote for him tonight.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:58 PM
Sep 2020

His base loves the spectacle of brutality, of course. But I can't imagine any of the few remaining undecided voters were convinced by Trump's torrent of blatant lies, his reliance on his favorite crutch -- random personal attacks -- or the inability to articulate even the vaguest outlines of a plan for the economy, the coronavirus, climate, or healthcare.

Trump's floor is pretty steady -- sure, I wish it would slip further, but the bad news for him is:

  • His current approval rating is 43.7% (source: FiveThirtyEight)

  • Incumbent presidents with approval ratings well below 50% typically do not win re-election. (Source: Gallup)

  • Here's the list of all U.S. Presidents since 1900 who won re-elections during a recession: 1. William McKinley, 1900 (Source: Newsweek)

  • In every election involving an incumbent president since the emergence of the political polling industry, if the president has a negative approval rating, he loses. (Source: MinnPost)

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
60. Hey, klook - great research!
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:19 AM
Sep 2020

It's fun to say, "Yeah, he screwed the pooch tonight!" - but DAYUM, you brought in 'da facts!!!!

It is one thing to have a good "gut" feeling about it all, but you brought it all to life with numbers.

Good stuff!

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
68. None of us care about them
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:10 AM
Sep 2020

They are fascists at worst, and water carriers for fascists at best.

They won't vote for Biden-Harris. Ever.

They literally do not care about others, nor our Democracy. Ever.

Why do you care about their opinion?

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
23. Stopped by FOX for a moment, and they said Trump won. "Such a strong gladiator, he
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:17 PM
Sep 2020

showed strength and force and, well, gladiator style.

Gladiators killed people in an unfair, staged "fight"

Midnight Writer

(21,737 posts)
57. Hannity was quoting "polls"! 66% Trump 25 Biden 60% Trump 30% Biden
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:50 AM
Sep 2020

It was all "He sure gave'em hell!" over there.

SansACause

(520 posts)
36. He stuck to his 2016 playbook. He won in 2016.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:46 PM
Sep 2020

I don't see how any Trump supporter would change their vote after tonight. He stayed on the same message that he won on in 2016. The only difference I could see is that Hillary tried to take the high road, and Biden punched back like a kid from Scranton who was having none of his bullying.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
44. CNN pretend undecided voters
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:55 PM
Sep 2020

CNN needs to put and end to the stupid '14 undecided voters in Ohio' silly segment. All of them are really Trumpers and each one sounds dumb as a box of rocks when they attempt to analyze the debate.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
64. It's Ohio, so they're likely more conservative, but they did seem critical of Trump.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:19 AM
Sep 2020

After the debate 8 of them remained undecided (because the debate was a mess and they couldn't hear anything), and of the 6 who decided 4 of them will vote for Biden and 2 for Trump.

One guy said Biden was correct to call Trump a clown 'if the shoe fits.. if the clown shoe fits' lol.

The bigger news is that Ohio is in play - when Trump won it by 10 points last time.

Aussie105

(5,366 posts)
45. Watched the debate live here on Australian TV, live.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 11:55 PM
Sep 2020

Just a reminder the rest of the world is watching, judging, and hoping for the best.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
65. Thank you. We Americans need the support of our friends & allies abroad.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:41 AM
Sep 2020

I couldn’t watch the whole debate.

Between MF45, the pandemic, the recession, and the suppression of our civil rights, life in the USA is a never ending nightmare. I haven’t slept well since November 2016.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
50. Actually I don't think he cares cause he has a scheme going
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:07 AM
Sep 2020

WHICH is basically claim it was a fraudulent Election which he plans to take to the SUPREME court, who will hear it and HIS JUDGES WILL GIVE him the Presidency ..because they are loyal to him not to their oath of office.






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Cha

(297,064 posts)
55. Especially since trump was already LOSING!
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:39 AM
Sep 2020

santorum? omg!

Yeah I was bracing for a post that had Van Jones in the title but trump lost him too.

musclecar6

(1,685 posts)
63. Trump
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:07 AM
Sep 2020


Acted like a raging 5 year old. Joe, while keeping his cool, responded like the kid from Scranton and metaphorically knocked this loudmouth big bully on his ass, which the decent people in the USA and the rest of the world were waiting for. Ya made us proud Joe.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
72. Amazing that killing 250,000 citizens wasn't enough to lose the election
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:56 PM
Sep 2020

Or being the puppet of a dictator or breaking laws left and right or lying constantly or threatening to end heaalth care and Social Security and medicare .........................

 

RGTIndy

(203 posts)
74. That's a nice soundbite, but it's nonsense
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:12 PM
Sep 2020

The polls haven't fluctuated much at all for months. Trump was losing before the debate and I doubt it moves the needle much either way.

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