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misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:11 AM Sep 2020

I have to believe Chris Wallace was home-schooled

If he had been in a standard elementary school, he would have known how to handle what Donald Trump was dishing out tonight. A moderator is like a teacher: it's up to them to set the tone, to keep things on course, and to tamp down disruptive behavior before it snowballs.

When Trump grew combative with Wallace in the first half-hour, the moderator should have seized control. His vocal tone should have changed, become more stern and commanding. If that failed, stand up behind the desk to admonish the unruly participant. If that fails, step from behind the desk and toward the uncooperative party, explicitly condemning the unwanted behavior.

Anything beyond that would have warranted severe measures. While Wallace couldn't have threatened Trump with a chat in the hallway (followed by a trip to the principal's office) he could have threatened to dock Trump's allotted time or call an end to the entire debacle.

Wallace was awful. All Trump knows is fear because he's incapable of respect. The moderator needs to be someone who scares him.

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I have to believe Chris Wallace was home-schooled (Original Post) misanthrope Sep 2020 OP
Thought he asked good questions and allowed trump to show his ass. Hoyt Sep 2020 #1
The first 5 minutes, you could see that Trump thought both Biden & Wallace were out to get him! 😂 TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #16
Trump is the problem. He won't allow moderator to moderate. SharonAnn Sep 2020 #2
The teacher should have rapped his knuckles with a ruler. Bayard Sep 2020 #3
Wallace was intimidated by Trump. W's voice was nervously wavering. Earthshine2 Sep 2020 #4
I don't think anyone without professional psych ward expertise could have controlled the situation. Sogo Sep 2020 #5
Agree 100!! RockCreek Sep 2020 #9
I don't think any moderator could have handled the dictator mysteryowl Sep 2020 #6
Wallace won't come out of this unscathed, but kurtcagle Sep 2020 #7
The real problem is that journalists can be manipulated by presidents unblock Sep 2020 #8
Hay! Let's leave Homeschooling out of it Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2020 #10
Do you know that your subject line is the funniest I've seen here in years? PCIntern Sep 2020 #14
*snicker* Nevilledog Sep 2020 #19
I wonder what that Australian Reporter that recently questioned Sarah JI7 Sep 2020 #11
Trump does act like a second grader treestar Sep 2020 #12
Wallace did try to get control DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #13
re: "he could have threatened to dock Trump's allotted time or call an end to the entire debacle." thesquanderer Sep 2020 #15
So maybe it should be written into the rules that Grammy23 Sep 2020 #17
If the rules for these debates have already been agreed to... thesquanderer Sep 2020 #18
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Thought he asked good questions and allowed trump to show his ass.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:17 AM
Sep 2020

Sure it wasn’t his intention, but I’m fine with that. The questions weren’t softballs to trump that other FOXers would have asked.

trump is always a blustering bully, knows no other way.

TheBlackAdder

(28,179 posts)
16. The first 5 minutes, you could see that Trump thought both Biden & Wallace were out to get him! 😂
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:53 AM
Sep 2020

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
2. Trump is the problem. He won't allow moderator to moderate.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:19 AM
Sep 2020

All moderators get blamed but it’s not them, it’s Trump.

As long as they can’t cut off his mike, Trump wins. Always.

Bayard

(22,035 posts)
3. The teacher should have rapped his knuckles with a ruler.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:26 AM
Sep 2020

Short of that, a time out. "Mr. trump, if you are going to continue to interrupt the class, you can wait outside in the hall".

Earthshine2

(3,971 posts)
4. Wallace was intimidated by Trump. W's voice was nervously wavering.
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:31 AM
Sep 2020

Shame on Wallace for not anticipating this.

RockCreek

(739 posts)
9. Agree 100!!
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:57 AM
Sep 2020

Or experience as a teacher in a school for behaviorally and emotionally disturbed kids.

mysteryowl

(7,370 posts)
6. I don't think any moderator could have handled the dictator
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 12:37 AM
Sep 2020

Although, they should have shut off the dictator's mic from time to time.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
7. Wallace won't come out of this unscathed, but
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:28 AM
Sep 2020

I think he had generally decent questions and had Trump actually played by the rules, it would have been an okay, but not great, debate. The problem was that Trump can't play by the rules. People bring up the narcissism, but Trump's actually as much an anti-social personality as anything. He has come to realize that when he plays by the rules, he loses, and the only way that he can control the situation for his benefit is to promise one thing and do another. He likes being bad, has no ability to feel compassion or remorse, and refuses to abide by society's dictates. He lies because it allows him to control the narrative and to gaslight people.

Unfortunately, that is now playing to his detriment. One of the big points that Biden did manage to get through in this disaster was the fact that Trump not only lacked a plan, he had no real idea how to make one - or to lead an administration to make one. Biden may have had a critical role in making them - and his assertion that he WAS his party tonight, for all intents, was critical (and I suspect may get a fair amount of air time in the next few days) - but it was definitely a collective effort by a lot of very knowledgeable experts. Trump is unable to do that, and so his "plans" are all laughably shallow, incomplete, and unworkable, but he doesn't recognize that they are bad because it's how he believes that government works.

unblock

(52,165 posts)
8. The real problem is that journalists can be manipulated by presidents
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 01:29 AM
Sep 2020

The candidates and presidents with integrity accept journalists who ask tough questions, but people like Donnie (that is to say, republicans) reward and punish journalists based on how fawning or critical their coverage is.

Consequently, debate moderators walk a line trying to appear professional, neutral, and sometimes a bit tough, but without getting on the bad side of the current president or new president.

As a result, it's the rare moderator who can step in and take charge and put a candidate in their place.

It's a problem in general, but especially a problem with someone like donnie who has corrupted presidential news coverage so much.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
10. Hay! Let's leave Homeschooling out of it
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 07:12 AM
Sep 2020

Some of us were "home-schooled", and could have done a better job of being moderator.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
11. I wonder what that Australian Reporter that recently questioned Sarah
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 07:25 AM
Sep 2020

Huckabee Sanders would have done . I think one if the first problems Wallace made was deciding he will not fact check.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Trump does act like a second grader
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 07:28 AM
Sep 2020

That's the thing - reporteres normally are dealing with adults, so they don't need class teacher skills. With Trump, you do.

DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
13. Wallace did try to get control
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 07:39 AM
Sep 2020

but as Mary Trump pointed out in her book, Trump has never faced any consequences for anything he's ever done. So why should he abide by rules in a debate now? I can't think of a journalist or news anchor who could've done better, not even Hannity. I don't know, maybe the Rude Pundit...

MSNBC was discussing the idea of someone having a mic "kill switch", but Plouffe or Mike Murphy said the debate commission negotiates the rules and cutting off a candidate's mic isn't one of them.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
15. re: "he could have threatened to dock Trump's allotted time or call an end to the entire debacle."
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:43 AM
Sep 2020

I don't think he had that power, within the agreed upon rules.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
17. So maybe it should be written into the rules that
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:04 AM
Sep 2020

if you are called out for interrupting or breaking other rules more than once, you will face consequences, such as losing time or having your microphone muted when it is your opponent’s turn to speak. The point is made that tRump has never faced consequences for his actions. So make him have consequences. If he still insists on breaking rules the viewers will see that. He is a man who cannot be shamed or tamed and voters need to see how out of control he is. This is how he usually behaves behind closed doors and why he is so disrespected around the world. Voters need to know this.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
18. If the rules for these debates have already been agreed to...
Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:25 AM
Sep 2020

Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2020, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

...Trump will not permit a change to his detriment. No change will happen unless agreed to by both parties. This is what they signed off on, I'm afraid this is what we have.

But maybe there WILL be consequences for Trump. Let's watch those post debate poll numbers...

ETA: Or maybe there is some leeway for rules adjustment after all, see https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142592615

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