Did Romney say "Let Detroit die" because he cannot make anything worthwhile?

[RandySF]

Did he ever build cars like Ford and Iaccoca? Has he ever designed a computer or a platform system like Jobs or Gates? The people I mentioned may not have been the nicest folks alive, but at least they built a business around create things people want and/or need. What has Romney ever created that was worth anything? The more you look at this guy, the emptier his suit gets.

[Romulox]

1. Don't most Americans agree with him, though?

Well over half of the cars purchased in this country are foreign makes (closer to 75-85% in a place like San Francisco.)

I think you're mistaken if you think Detroit bashing is a losing campaign position.

[RandySF]

2. Well, it's deeply personal to a child of a Detroit auto worker.

If GM went under, my dad's pension would have been jeopardized.

[democrat_patriot]

3. It could very well cost Romney Michigan.

Which has a few electorals.

And if the Dems hammer it - every state with a manufacturing base. Indiana, Ohio, PA etc...

[Romulox]

5. I doubt it. Romney has little chance of winning Michigan, regardless.

But Michigan's Republican strongholds, particularly in Grand Rapids, get as much mileage out of Detroit bashing as anyone.

[The Second Stone]

6. I was born in San Francisco

and I make damn sure that my cars are built in the US. My most reliable vehicle is a Honda Accord built in Marysville, Ohio.

[Romulox]

8. Ahem...ASSEMBLED in Ohio...by scabs.

SOLIDARITY in every other respect, though!

[hack89]

15. Honda has 600 American companies making OEM and repair parts for their cars

http://ohio.honda.com/pressroom/View_Release.cfm?articleid=224

[Romulox]

16. Honda can't claim their cars are "Made in the USA", so they don't. The phrase is REGULATED

by the FTC.

The phrase "Made in USA" appears nowhere on your Honda press release, btw.

According to the Federal Trade Commission, "Made in USA" means that "all or virtually all" the product was, indeed, made in America. The agency enforces the standard to ensure commercial compliance and confirm consumer confidence.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt021.shtm

[hack89]

18. 80% of the parts in a Honda Accord are made in America. 20% for the Ford Fusion.

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/06/how-much-of-your-car-is-made-in-america.html

[Romulox]

19. According to the FTC, *neither* Honda Accord nor Ford Fusion are "Made in the USA".

This isn't a matter of opinion. It's an objective fact (read the FTC.gov link I provided, upthread, please.)

[hack89]

21. The highest domestic content of ANY car is 85%. It looks like NO cars are "Made in the USA" nt

[Romulox]

22. I doubt your number (it's not by weight, but by $$$ value.) You aren't contradicting my argument.

I am more than willing to admit error if you can find a claim in which Honda (not some crappy blog or CATO, or similar) claims Honda is "Made in the USA".

They don't; you can't.

[hack89]

23. I never said they did .

how about you find me any car that can legally be called "Made in the USA"?

[Romulox]

24. You were kinda of arguing like you were. Now you are moving the bar, too. Why not just be honest

and argue that "Made in the USA" isn't important? I said "Assembled", which is the technically correct term.

[hack89]

29. But if there are no cars "Made in the USA" then what's your point?

the highest domestic content of any car is only 5% higher than a Honda Accord. Why is that significant?

By your criteria, every car made in America is "assembled".

[Romulox]

31. That's YOUR assertion; back it up or withdraw it.

I've been on the internet long enough not to respond to the "why don't you research my conjecture for me?" stuff.

I merely stated that Honda's aren't, by law, "Made in the USA". You can prove me wrong if you are able.

[hack89]

35. I cannot prove a negative. I cannot find any cars that meet the legal definition. nt

[Romulox]

36. Let's settle with "hack89 cannot provide any reference to a claim that Honda is 'Made in the USA'"

[hack89]

37. But I agree with you that Honda is NOT 'Made in the USA'.

the question is whether ANY car is 'Made in the USA'.

What 'Made in the USA' car should I buy?

[Romulox]

38. Cool beans.

I await the results of your research.

[hack89]

40. So you really don't know do you? You cannot name a single car that is 'Made in the USA' can you? nt

[Romulox]

26. And you haven't even touched the UNION issue, which really gets more to the heart of the matter.

Imagine a unionized Marysville Honda plant--THAT would shut me up, eh?

[hack89]

30. Honda should be unionized.

but that is not a make or break issue for me. Any car company still has to build a car I want to drive in.

[Romulox]

33. " that is not a make or break issue for me" SOLIDARITY in all other respects, though, right? nt

[hack89]

39. No - I take it on a case by case basis. nt

[Romulox]

41. That's the joke.

[hack89]

42. So? nt

[Charlemagne]

32. If it werent for Honda

Northwest Ohio would be dead. Very rural, small towns. However there are great schools, great communities and average income per household is fairly high in that area (for rural places, that is).

[Romulox]

34. NW Ohio's gain = whose loss??? (that's how union-busting works.) nt

[zbdent]

7. I heard about a RW "study" which was pointing out the number of "foreign cars" parked in "liberal"

areas ...

I really would like to find the link to that "study" ...

because whenever I point out about how the "foreign cars" are being driven on today's highways, I get RWers pointing out how many of those "foreign" brands are "manufactured in AMERICA" ... (but the profits go overseas).

I've even heard a RW radio station caller pointing out how the evil teachers were driving "foreign cars" ... and I've wanted to call that guy and say "Hey, I bet your favorite Republican will point out the 'foreign car' factories in the U.S. ... stop bad-mouthing the teachers unfairly!"

[Romulox]

9. I thought teachers were supposed to be about unions, though. That's not very consistent. nt

[zbdent]

11. Wonder if he could tell which teachers were Republicans ...

just by their cars ... or if they bought them NEW, or used from someone they knew ...

[Romulox]

12. ALL public school teachers are union members, and should be standing in SOLIDARITY with other union

members.

There is no pass for "Republican" teachers.

[zbdent]

13. so you're saying "all public school teachers are liberals"?

Those anti-union Republican teachers would probably not want to support a union auto manufacturer ...

I've heard enough "teacher" callers (you know, probably like the liberal-show visiting "phony soldiers" of Rush's mythology) whining about how they were "forced" to join the unions ...

[Romulox]

14. No. nt

[JoePhilly]

17. And you think that means Americans want the US Auto Industry to die??

I hope Romney runs against as many US industries as he can.

[Romulox]

20. I think a significant minority would, yes. Many, many more are simply indifferent.

Detroit has few friends, either way--bashing Detroit is often an effect "dog whistle" for racism, on the national stage, from a diverse group of people.

Has been all my life.

[JoePhilly]

25. The dog whistle part of Detroit has nothing to do with the auto industry.

Sure ... the GOP is going all in on the racist dog whistle thing ... no argument there.

But attacking the "US auto industry" does not carry the dog whistle with it.

[Romulox]

27. The HELL it don't! nt

[Romulox]

28. Union bashing, too. Dog whistle. nt

[JoePhilly]

43. First, they don't use Dog Whistles to attack Unions ...

They attack Unions DIRECTLY ... no dog whistle is needed.

And second, you miss my point ... Romney saying that he would not have "saved the auto industry" is NOT a dog whistle ... however ... if he says "I would not have saved Detroit" ... then YES ... that IS a dog whistle ... just like when they call Obama a "Chicago Thug".

[unionworks]

44. NO

We don't!!!

[HughBeaumont]

4. His quarter-billion net worth.

. . . and that's about it.

[superpatriotman]

10. Romney does not want to be President

He, by his nature, is a vulture. He wants to feed off the carcass.

The Office of President is simply a tool to get the loot.