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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFuror in Greece over pedophilia as a disability
ATHENS, Greece (AP) Greek disabled groups are angry at a government decision to expand a list of state-recognized disability categories to include pedophiles, exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs.
The National Confederation of Disabled People called the action "incomprehensible," and said pedophiles are now awarded a higher government disability pay than some people who have received organ transplants.
But the Labor Ministry on Monday said categories added to the expanded list that also includes pyromaniacs, compulsive gamblers, fetishists and sadomasochists were included for purposes of medical assessment and used as a gauge for allocating financial assistance.
http://news.yahoo.com/furor-greece-over-pedophilia-disability-174002476.html
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I wonder if there is more to this than the article states.
maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)it starts with the belief that pedophilia is a condition one is born with, not a choice. if you accept that (I do), then it doesn't take much reasoning to come to the conclusion that those people do suffer a 'handicap' w/r/t the rest of the population (the handicap is an inability to have a normal, adult sexual relationship). If you agree that those people are handicapped due to what is essentially a birth defect, I think the pervasive attitude on DU is to provide help to the disadvantaged.
This reasoning actually had a large influence in me losing my faith in the existence of a god (it was unthinkable to me that any god would create people born with the desire to rape children).
the issue is that 'victims' of this particular 'defect' tend to allow their handicap to manifest in a way which is violent toward children. I see the action as so represhensible that it becomes difficult to consider that the person is suffering from a defect the rest of us (presumably) are free of.
I find the issue of pedophilia to be very difficult, personally. I honestly believe that pedophiles are born that way, and that at some point the majority of them wish they could be attracted to adults. It would be great if a cure could be found. However, I'm a parent and don't suffer from this defect so I tend to be very callous toward those who do -- if someone wants to have sex with a child, they don't get to breathe my air.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)that there is some kind of physical or mental condition that keeps one from being able to either get a job or hold down a job. How does being a pedophile qualify for that (other than being felon)?
maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)nothing personal here, I hate pedophiles.
however, I could argue that there's nothing about being depressed that would prevent you from holding down a job unless the depression led to a lack of focus, inability to socialize with co-workers or deal with customers (required at many jobs). One could argue that the 'sexually handicapped' deserve the same considerations.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)Then they need to be heavily sedated at all times, confined at all times, or euthanized.
originalpckelly
(24,382 posts)The change from viewing crimes in a moral context to that of a context of a sickness will know no end.
It will apply to all crimes, not just the ones we think of as being less severe.
maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Although this is an estimation of the percentage that suffers pedophilia orientation - not necessarily actively involved in any way.
"Four percent of the population suffers from sexual orientation toward children. In 1999, 93,000 kids were sexually abused. 50% of the abusers were parents of the children. 18% were relatives. This means that almost 70% of children were molested by family members, fathers, uncles, and grandfathers males they trusted.
What causes pedophilia? No one decides, "Im going to grow up and be a child pedophile."
We know that pedophilia runs in families. Boys who are molested often molest boys when they grow up. Do they molest because they were molested or because they have a genetic sexual orientation toward children?
I feel that there is a strong genetic predisposition in pedophilia. I believe that pedophilia runs in families and seems to be a variant of OCD, which has strong genetic predispositions. In other words, pedophilia seems to be an illness that is caused by abnormal brain chemistry with strong genetic connections."
http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-is-pedophilia.htm
maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)FTR: I would fully support the death penalty for convicted child rapists -- no hesistation.
However, I get your point and it is well made -- I don't advocate for any sort of thought police. If one 'suffers' from pedophilia but never acts on the impulses, I fully support them receiving help and trying to assimilate in society. I'm generally a big believer in second chances too, but not in this instance.
I think your point about genetics is dead-on. Dawkins would call it 'natural selection gone awry': nature favors the male trait of being sexually attracted to women of child-bearing age. however, people (girls especially, IIRC) become fertile on average years before society deems them capable of sexual consent. it's up to the 96% non-pedophiles to create a society where being sexually attracted to children becomes a trait that if you possess, you are highly unlikely to be given opportunity to propagate your DNA to future generations.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)over your post. Its -20 here and this made me howl with laughter. Thank you. :-D
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)to actually remain away from the greater society and children and to receive help for their affliction. And I'm not so certain people are born as pedophiles. Many pedophiles were themselves abused by adults when they were children. A pattern and cycle of abuse. Children who see their father's abuse their mother's will grow up to then abuse their own wives.
Children learn from the adults around them... The adults influence the life of their child and the life their children will lead as adults. If they are fed fatty, unhealthy diets, they often continue the fatty, unhealthy diet as adults. If they are taught that gays are unnatural or that black people are inferior or even dog fighting is ok, then those imprints often remain with the child into their adult life... even if they don't want it to... even if they recognize it as bad. There are many things that I do that I recognize my parents doing or saying... expressions, the way I make my spaghetti sauce, the way I view education, the way I tend to procrastinate till the last minute when there is no reason not to, the way I tend to keep to many things that I don't need and let things "pile" up until I have no idea what I was keeping those "important" papers in a pile for... We are influenced by who is in our lives when we are learning. Its our parents and relatives who we look to to teach us, nourish us, and protect us. If these areas are violated, it can be confusing and leave a lasting impression forever.
There are also other things that will cause us to re-act or act in different manners as we are adults as well. If one has been mugged or raped, then one probably is more precautions against being in dark, un-known areas by one's self. If someone has been harassed, one may put up more barriers. If someone has divorced or gone through a tough break up, one may be more cautious about who they allow into their lives again.
And then there is the genetic make-up of people. Some people are going to be more pre-disposed to being better at sports or art or music or math or science or building.... These tendencies often run in the family (but not always)... If a Mom and Dad are musical, offspring tend to learn and be musical too. Not always, but genetics do play a role in who we are. So, it would make sense that some people are more genetically pre-disposed to having sexual predatory issues.
And then there is the exposure of society as to what is normal and what is allowed. Sexual harassment in the work place was very common before Anita Hill and the national exposure/ discussion of working and being harassed at work. I was a younger girl at the time of the Anita Hill/ Senatorial Grilling, and I was not subject to the rampant harassment that was common place. Pinching butts, staring at chests, forcing sex for positions. Thankfully, I was never exposed to that sort of work place environment. AND when the women came forward about Herman Cain, we were disgusted and revolted at the stories. But back in the day, it was common place for this type of behavior, especially so, seemingly, at the top of the food chain.... It was like CEO types were allowed this "boys will be boys" crap, and that maintaining the "wife" at home and sleeping with the secretary and making women uncomfortable and give "favors" for access up the chain, was expected... At one time, slavery was common place and natural in society. Now, it seems that tall heels, volumed hair, butts, boobs, and lips are the common "fashion" for younger women.. with clothes that leave little to the imagination. Society changes, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, but society does imprint and make an impression on who people are.
Traditions from people to people or country to country, help to define people as well.. That short story of "The Lottery" where the tradition in a small, quaint town, picks a name of a person every year to stone to death because it is tradition and it is what they are used to, whether it is actually right.... Kind of like making GLBT community as a moral fault has been..... and that the idea that it is some deficiency is changing with the younger generation (those of the younger generation who are bigoted fools, learn it from their family, friends, church, and small-minded community as they are growing up), but for the most part, the younger generation is being taught that it is wrong to harass people and that families come in all different shapes and sizes... I absolutely love the newest anti-bullying campaign. Bullies hurt people no matter what their age, but they can be absolutely devastating for children... And the Republicans just look like bullying asses...
Anyway, maybe it is best to figure out what makes someone more apt to rape a child, try to figure out a way to treat a person who would feel they need to rape a child, and treat them in a humane manner for their safety and other's safety. I mean shoving them into ministry in the Catholic Church hasn't done anyone any good at all. Wearing their robe did not stop them from raping children and the power or their robe and their "connection" with God, made them powerful to keep their evil under wraps and to keep children stuck, locked with a secret.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I would think it might not be 100% accurate.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)living under a bridge or overpass because they could not find work nor get housing. We do put these people on open lists on the internet so they will be identified. Here we leave them to sink or swim as best they can. Perhaps there they are trying to find a way for them to survive. I abhor the behavior but our system of dealing with the ones not incarcerated is pretty awful.
originalpckelly
(24,382 posts)They should live away from the general population, in a secure context. In that context they should have as much personal freedom as the rest of us.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)DeathToTheOil
(1,124 posts)because 40% of the Republican base will now move to Greece, thus assuring Obama's reelection.