Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:45 AM
Ponietz (2,464 posts)
Multiple reports of a low-flying plane, a flash and then the Luna fire
[link:https://www.taosnews.com/public-safety/luna-fire-chacon-taos-plane/article_52a83ac0-127e-11eb-bbfa-475137ee9728.html|
Andrew Sandoval, who lives in Luna Canyon, thinks he knows what started the now 9,000 acre Luna fire. The fire was first reported Saturday evening (Oct. 18) burning just a couple of miles from Chacon, New Mexico. Two days later, the fire remains zero percent contained, burning through hard to reach terrain, pushed by dry, hot and breezy conditions. I live southwest of this fire. For the past 2 years, about 1x week, C-130 planes have flown low over my village. I conjectured it was military pilot training for mountainous conditions but have been unable to learn anything else about it. This looks like the early stages of denial/cover-up.
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Ponietz | Oct 2020 | OP |
burrowowl | Oct 2020 | #1 | |
dchill | Oct 2020 | #2 | |
BannonsLiver | Oct 2020 | #3 | |
alittlelark | Oct 2020 | #4 | |
denbot | Oct 2020 | #5 | |
Major Nikon | Oct 2020 | #6 | |
Ponietz | Oct 2020 | #7 | |
Major Nikon | Oct 2020 | #8 | |
Ponietz | Oct 2020 | #9 | |
rusty fender | Oct 2020 | #10 | |
BusyBeingBest | Oct 2020 | #11 |
Response to Ponietz (Original post)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:55 AM
burrowowl (16,579 posts)
1. Interesting
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Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:40 AM
alittlelark (18,748 posts)
4. Here in Jemez we have had that experience.
Giant low flying bombers are hard to miss in this deep valley.
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Response to Ponietz (Original post)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:27 AM
denbot (9,859 posts)
5. That or a non-scheduled "Columbian Express".
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Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:36 AM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
6. There is a military training route that runs right through that area
It’s depicted on aeronautical charts and is no big secret. The idea those military training flights which have been conducted for decades caused the fire is pretty wild conjecture at this point.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:54 AM
Ponietz (2,464 posts)
7. I agree it's conjecture, disagree it's "wild"
These multiple eyewitness accounts carry some weight with me, having grown up in this region and having some sense of who these witnesses are. We would know by now if a civilian air crash was the cause.
My own observation indicates the extremely low-level flights began over my community approximately two years, not decades, ago. I leave it at that, for now. Please let me know if you learn something additional. Thanks. |
Response to Ponietz (Reply #7)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:23 AM
Major Nikon (36,143 posts)
8. Someone saw a plane so that means claiming it crashed isn't wild conjecture?
The same IR routes have been charted for many decades. IR-111 has been in use at least since 2000 (and undoubtedly many years previously) with hundreds of sorties in that year alone: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/enviro/rbti/VOL1/Vol1.pdf
IR routes are used in routine military training and there's exactly nothing secret about them as the document above lists sorties in great detail. You can sit underneath one and watch flights going overhead frequently depending on the training schedule of the associated AFB. Going by the report from 2000 there's on average more than one flight per day that flies that route. The TFR only goes to about 3,000' over the mountains and above that flights are completely unrestricted. Anyone with a plane capable of flying that high could fly over the entire area all they want and undoubtedly countless fire sightseers and news organizations are doing just that. The idea the military would even try to hide a plane crash is more than just a bit far fetched. ![]() |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:46 PM
Ponietz (2,464 posts)
9. Two witnesses, in separate locations, were identified
Other hunters were unidentified. We are southwest of the area, and had zero low flyovers prior to 2018 but they are a weekly occurrence now. I can’t discount my own eyes and ears.
For anyone interested at this stage, please refer to the article: Multiple reports of a low-flying plane, a flash and then the Luna fire, and get the facts straight before commenting. |
Response to Ponietz (Original post)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:02 PM
rusty fender (3,428 posts)
10. Hmmm...
Could the plane have dropped an incendiary device
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Response to Ponietz (Original post)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:07 PM
BusyBeingBest (7,207 posts)
11. These witnesses saw what they described as flashes, fire bombs and mushroom clouds...
and shrugged it off and went to bed.
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