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Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:45 AM

Multiple reports of a low-flying plane, a flash and then the Luna fire

[link:https://www.taosnews.com/public-safety/luna-fire-chacon-taos-plane/article_52a83ac0-127e-11eb-bbfa-475137ee9728.html|

Andrew Sandoval, who lives in Luna Canyon, thinks he knows what started the now 9,000 acre Luna fire. The fire was first reported Saturday evening (Oct. 18) burning just a couple of miles from Chacon, New Mexico. Two days later, the fire remains zero percent contained, burning through hard to reach terrain, pushed by dry, hot and breezy conditions.

Sandoval was born and raised in the area and says he knows the deep canyons, ridges, forests and streams well. He grew up hunting and fishing them.

On Saturday evening (Oct. 18), at dusk around 7 p.m., Sandoval heard the drone of a big plane flying low up the canyon. “It wasn’t a Cessna, that’s for sure,” said Sandoval, who retired from New Mexico Department of Game and Fish.

The plane had its lights on for night and was going slow. “I thought what in the world is going on,” he said. It wasn’t the first time he had seen a big plane flying up that way. About a year ago, he saw another one, flying the same route, he estimates only 300 feet off the ground.


I live southwest of this fire. For the past 2 years, about 1x week, C-130 planes have flown low over my village. I conjectured it was military pilot training for mountainous conditions but have been unable to learn anything else about it. This looks like the early stages of denial/cover-up.

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Reply Multiple reports of a low-flying plane, a flash and then the Luna fire (Original post)
Ponietz Oct 2020 OP
burrowowl Oct 2020 #1
dchill Oct 2020 #2
BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #3
alittlelark Oct 2020 #4
denbot Oct 2020 #5
Major Nikon Oct 2020 #6
Ponietz Oct 2020 #7
Major Nikon Oct 2020 #8
Ponietz Oct 2020 #9
rusty fender Oct 2020 #10
BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #11



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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:40 AM

4. Here in Jemez we have had that experience.

Giant low flying bombers are hard to miss in this deep valley.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:27 AM

5. That or a non-scheduled "Columbian Express".

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:36 AM

6. There is a military training route that runs right through that area

It’s depicted on aeronautical charts and is no big secret. The idea those military training flights which have been conducted for decades caused the fire is pretty wild conjecture at this point.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:54 AM

7. I agree it's conjecture, disagree it's "wild"

These multiple eyewitness accounts carry some weight with me, having grown up in this region and having some sense of who these witnesses are. We would know by now if a civilian air crash was the cause.

My own observation indicates the extremely low-level flights began over my community approximately two years, not decades, ago. I leave it at that, for now. Please let me know if you learn something additional. Thanks.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:23 AM

8. Someone saw a plane so that means claiming it crashed isn't wild conjecture?

The same IR routes have been charted for many decades. IR-111 has been in use at least since 2000 (and undoubtedly many years previously) with hundreds of sorties in that year alone: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/enviro/rbti/VOL1/Vol1.pdf

IR routes are used in routine military training and there's exactly nothing secret about them as the document above lists sorties in great detail. You can sit underneath one and watch flights going overhead frequently depending on the training schedule of the associated AFB. Going by the report from 2000 there's on average more than one flight per day that flies that route.

The TFR only goes to about 3,000' over the mountains and above that flights are completely unrestricted. Anyone with a plane capable of flying that high could fly over the entire area all they want and undoubtedly countless fire sightseers and news organizations are doing just that. The idea the military would even try to hide a plane crash is more than just a bit far fetched.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:46 PM

9. Two witnesses, in separate locations, were identified

Other hunters were unidentified. We are southwest of the area, and had zero low flyovers prior to 2018 but they are a weekly occurrence now. I can’t discount my own eyes and ears.

For anyone interested at this stage, please refer to the article: Multiple reports of a low-flying plane, a flash and then the Luna fire, and get the facts straight before commenting.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:02 PM

10. Hmmm...

 

Could the plane have dropped an incendiary device

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:07 PM

11. These witnesses saw what they described as flashes, fire bombs and mushroom clouds...

and shrugged it off and went to bed.

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