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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion about black men voting habits.
I was listening to some tv pundits and pollsters today.
They were saying that black male turnout could be the key to this election in some states.
They said that black females will turn out in huge numbers.
But they said that black males are currently on track for just average turnout.
The reason they gave was that Biden doesnt inspire black males.
They said that few black males will vote for Trump but many just wont vote.
Trump got 14% of black male vote in 2016.
Hopefully, it will be much less in 2020.
I just dont understand how any person of color can vote for such a vile racist.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)Saying black men need to turn out more for us to win than they did in 2016.
Thats not racist.
Thats true.
We need huge turnout from our base, of which black men belong to.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... but is well taken seeing the drive towards black males.
I answered your question at bottom
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)jpak
(41,742 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)jpak
(41,742 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)Im a blue dog Dem that works for all Dems and always has.
I study demographic patterns and polls and found what I heard this morning interesting.
whathehell
(28,969 posts)It's how we learn about each other.
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)In 2016, Trump got 14% of black male vote.
Trump got an * of black female vote.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
And heres a current article on the subject.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/trump-and-biden-are-both-courting-the-votes-of-black-men-will-it-make-a-difference/2020/10/02/6e1139fc-f8f1-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)I just included one in the post with two sites.
Biden needs to reach out more to black males.
The pundits on tv were saying that Obama could help with this in the closing two days.
I am very hopeful that they will.
We also need more turnout from all of our base.
We must not just beat Trump but humiliate him.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... reaching young black and Hispanic men were they are out outside of YouTube.
Facebook is a big gating factor in young voting from what I've observed
OneBro
(1,159 posts)Not because it's a good question, but I assume you are asking in good faith, and I assume you really are an "ole white man" who is no more and no less racist than anyone raised in America. With that in mind . . .
I would not assume black women can explain why some black men don't vote for the same reason that I would not assume that 9 individual black men who don't vote could then explain why the 10th black man doesn't vote. The internet is awash with black people explaining why they don't vote. Most of the explanations leave me scratching my head, angry, shaking my head, stupefied, or a combination thereof. Of course, one must ALWAYS question whether the self-described black person on the internet is actually black, American, or over the age of 9.
As a general rule, pundits/talking heads and pollsters can only tell you what someone else supposedly told them.
Finally, consider this: Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas are the only two black men who have ever been on the US Supreme Court. One was a towering warrior for civil rights and human dignity, the other is effectively Mitch McConnell in a robe.
I appreciate your question because it's always risky - particularly for a white person - to ask about anything related to race. I don't think we can get over race until we are free to ask risky questions, so long as those questions are made in good faith.
Be well.
OneBro
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)that I think its black Womens responsibilitys to get black men to vote.
As a white guy, Im just trying to understand why any person of color, man or woman, could ever vote for someone as openly racist as Trump.
tavernier
(12,322 posts)But I think your post should be addressed to black men and not their spouses. Perhaps they can give us a better understanding of their position.
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)UnderThisLaw
(318 posts)That older black ladies make the best iced tea
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Id be interested in the answer to that question too.
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)Obama got 95% in 2008 and 93% in 2012 of overall black vote.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I know black women turned out for that vote. Just have never seen any stats on black men.
BusyBeingBest
(8,049 posts)and the fact that some of them do apparently support Trump. I saw it on 538 and couldn't believe it. Trump is bleeding white support compared to 2016--why would he be GAINING black support in 2020, at least among younger blacks? This, during one of the most awful race-relations years in decades (and he's on the white supremacy side!), and during a "let it wash over them" pandemic response that is hitting black people especially hard. It makes zero sense to me.
OneBro
(1,159 posts)America intentionally does not teach critical thinking or comprehensive, honest history. Combine that with entertainment journalism, and you end up with people unwittingly yet proudly voting against their best interests.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)My experiences with black men and politics are pretty limited. My family is very liberal. Even the evangelicals among us (men and women) usually vote democratic with few exceptions.
There are deeper conversations to be had concerning the "hotep" mentality among a small percentage of black men. These are men who seek to take their "rightful places" among white men in patriarchal brotherhood. It may have something to do with their tolerance of dolt45. But again, we are talking about a tiny percentage of black men.
I don't have any concrete answers for you, but I do have some articles for you to consider.
https://thegrio.com/2020/10/15/trump-campaign-targeting-black-male-voters/
From the article:
This push to attract Black male support is connected to two important political historical moments that point to how conservative beliefs among Blacks are ripe for exploitation by the right. One from the distant past and one more recent.
In Reconstruction, the 15th Amendment extended voting rights to Black men, but all women remained disenfranchised. Legally, Black men entered voting booths to register their political preferences. In actuality, that vote was viewed as a proxy for the entire community.
Historian, Elsa Barkley Brown, explains that many decisions were made communally. Public meetings were held where men, women and children participated with the understanding that Black men would represent those views on their ballot. Additionally, as Black men were harassed, beaten and killed by white mobs, Black women served as their armed escorts to the polls.
When Reconstruction ended and African American male suffrage greatly diminished, Barkley Brown found that Black men began to exclude Black women from power in the community. The loss of leadership opportunities in the public domain led Black men to support more conservative gender roles in the private domain.
When they could no longer hold office, be party leaders or govern all spaces where women were barred men replicated their male-dominated leadership experience within the Black community by attempting to exclude women from any institutional authority.
https://www.theroot.com/why-a-black-person-would-support-trump-explained-1790854765
From the article:
Thats
interesting. Can you explain why theyd 1) support a person like this and 2) be willing to actually go on national TV to articulate this support?
Sure! It actually harks back to the civil rights movement. The abolition of slavery, too.
Really? How so?
Well, all of those measuresslavery ending, racial discrimination becoming illegal, etc.are based on one indisputable fact that, unfortunately, is still considered by some to be a disputable fact: We (black people) are human beings with just as much right to our humanity and everything that entails as everyone else.
We can be smart. We can be talented. We can be creative. We can beand areanything any other human can be.
This also means we can also be idiots. We can be dumber than a bag of the worlds dumbest rocks. True equality means that we have equal opportunity to be the dumbest motherfkers who ever lived, too. And the black Trump supporters are just us exercising our basic human rights.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-what-trumps-black-male-supporters-say-they-see-in-him
From the article:
The president, he says, presents an aura of strength thats more important than the shortcomings his critics focus on.
He does know how to make money, says Grant. Hes not an honest man and hes not too bright, but he dont give a fuck. You know what Im saying? Hes not the most well-spoken but he stands his groundand thats part of being a man. He can do that very well.
I don't think dolt45 will get the same level of support from black men this time. I am not an expert on the topic. At all. I am, however, a black lady.
KentuckyWoman
(6,666 posts)You should really delete your post.