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bucolic_frolic

(43,059 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:58 PM Nov 2020

Joe Biden to Cleveland Ohio Monday




Matt Viser
National political reporter at @washingtonpost
@mviser

NEW: Joe Biden is heading to Cleveland, Ohio, tomorrow, with his campaign believing the state — which Trump carried by 8 points in 2016 — is within reach.

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Dems have opportunity in Ohio? That's a very big WOW!
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Joe Biden to Cleveland Ohio Monday (Original Post) bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 OP
yeah baby! Chili Nov 2020 #1
My unofficial Biden signs poll tells me we have a chance in Oh. LisaL Nov 2020 #2
mine too Chili Nov 2020 #3
Alright Joedog Nov 2020 #4
Welcome to DU, Joedog! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #6
Thanks Peggy Joedog Nov 2020 #8
This is our electronic home, but real nonetheless. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 #11
I haven't seen near the amount of Trump signs that I saw in 2016. blueinredohio Nov 2020 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #7
Latest Emerson poll (rated A- per 538) has Biden up 1%. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #9
That would be a 9% improvement over 2016 in traditionally red Ohio bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #10
There was a LOT of blue-collar hatred for the Clintons here. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #12
Why did they hate the Clintons so much? bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13
This area didn't fare so well in the 90's... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #14
We also didn't have a strong recovery after 2008...to many were quick to say the jobs Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #18
NAFTA and Hillary was for the TPP at first. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #17
This is reassuring democrattotheend Nov 2020 #15
Can only mean that the Biden campaign thinks there a chance in Ohio. Kaleva Nov 2020 #16

Chili

(1,725 posts)
3. mine too
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 02:09 PM
Nov 2020

Haven't seen one red sign - though I did see a 20-something tailgating party with those signs last Sunday, in a closed bevearge drive-thru parking lot, right here in Lyndhurst. Weird, but it was small. But that's it.

I believe we can, and will!

Joedog

(718 posts)
8. Thanks Peggy
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:31 PM
Nov 2020

I thought I needed to be with some of my kind of people to keep me sane during all crazy season.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
5. I haven't seen near the amount of Trump signs that I saw in 2016.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 02:27 PM
Nov 2020

Usually Trump flags at farmers houses and ramshackle houses. And it is the day after Halloween and my Biden/Harris sign is still in the yard! That's a big plus around here. Maybe we do have a chance.

Response to blueinredohio (Reply #5)

bucolic_frolic

(43,059 posts)
10. That would be a 9% improvement over 2016 in traditionally red Ohio
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:43 PM
Nov 2020

HRC 'won' by 3,000,000 votes. Imagine if Joe Biden improves by 9% nationally over 2016 levels.

9% is like 13.5 million votes on the expected 150 million cast. Add HRC's 3 million. Add hatred of Trump. Add the excellent flawless campaign Biden has run. Add GOTV. Add Republicans for Trump. What's your number?

I didn't think this would ever happen.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
12. There was a LOT of blue-collar hatred for the Clintons here.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:48 PM
Nov 2020

Ohio is definitely more red than the country as a whole, but I think there was even more at play in 2016.

Ohio voted for Obama both times, and I don't think the demographics changed all that much in the interim.

I was so thankful in 2008 when he won the nomination over Hillary because I was certain that neither she nor any other Clinton would win Ohio.

bucolic_frolic

(43,059 posts)
13. Why did they hate the Clintons so much?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:28 PM
Nov 2020

Steve Schmidt mentions "self-dealing". I'm not sure blue-collar workers are aware of that concept.

It was NAFTA?

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
14. This area didn't fare so well in the 90's...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

... but heard about the booming economy elsewhere.

NAFTA got a lot of the blame by some people, and Clinton was unfairly blamed too.

Edit: Blue-collar jobs didn't do well, mostly.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
18. We also didn't have a strong recovery after 2008...to many were quick to say the jobs
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:08 PM
Nov 2020

weren't coming back. Every four years Ohio was super important and after that it was Ohio who?

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
15. This is reassuring
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:34 PM
Nov 2020

I remember in 2016, after playing offense for a while, Hillary spent her last few days scrambling to shore up support in places we thought were safe, like Pennsylvania and Michigan. I knew from that that her internal polls showed those states closer than the public polls. I had the same feeling of dread when I read that Biden was spending time in Minnesota last week. The fact that he's spending the day before the election in Ohio, rather than Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota or Nevada is a good sign. I'd love to see him go to Texas too.

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