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AOC: I took the Throggs Neck. Heard there was a pileup of chumps on the Whitestone (Original Post) melman Nov 2020 OP
Keeping undecideds from getting home is going to make them want to vote Trump? keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #1
#RWLogicIsAnOxymoron Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #3
It seems that... Newest Reality Nov 2020 #2
Tell 'em::: Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #4
I live in the south. You're absolutely right. BComplex Nov 2020 #6
For those who need context greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #5
When I was 9 we moved from Brooklyn to Flushing, almost equi-distant from the two bridges.... George II Nov 2020 #7
Yeah Staten Island is pretty Republican. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #8
Yes indeed: George II Nov 2020 #10
Gonna check the memory a bit here greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #9
I was living in the area from 1956 through the mid-late 1970s. On Jewish holidays.... George II Nov 2020 #11
Well, it was public school greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #12
My wife is from New York City, and I've always wondered Nac Mac Feegle Nov 2020 #13
The Top 10 Secrets of the Throgs Neck Bridge in NYC Klaralven Nov 2020 #15
Hah! One of THE most important "secrets" of the bridge, if you plan on going over... George II Nov 2020 #16
Don't forget, LAW AND ORDER!!! nt coti Nov 2020 #14

keithbvadu2

(36,774 posts)
1. Keeping undecideds from getting home is going to make them want to vote Trump?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:15 PM
Nov 2020

Keeping undecideds from getting home is going to make them want to vote Trump?

I don't see the logic.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. It seems that...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:22 PM
Nov 2020

Crappy strategies like that is what lost them the Civil War, too.

They just don't have what it takes to pull off anything at all, but they keep trying as if the South will rise again someday.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
5. For those who need context
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:25 PM
Nov 2020

The Throggs Neck and Whitestone bridges are two big suspension bridges that connect Northern Queens to the Bronx. The Throggs Neck bridge connects the neighborhood of Bayside, Queens to Throggs Neck, in the Bronx. The Whitestone Bridge connects the neighborhood of Whitestone, Queens to the Bronx. Whitestone is probably one of the more conservative neighborhoods in New York City; it has been essentially a white enclave neighborhood until the last 15 years or so, when it's seen increasing immigration from Asian and Latino populations. Already pretty much a reactionary white neighborhood, it has become far more nativist. Whitestone would be one of the few Queens neighborhoods to actually vote for Trump. There's probably not that much different between Whitestone, Queens and some small towns in Western Pennsylvania. Bayside is more mixed (and bigger), but also is fairly conservative in some areas. It has also seen rapidly changing demographics (particularly Asian) since the mid-1990s.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. When I was 9 we moved from Brooklyn to Flushing, almost equi-distant from the two bridges....
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:15 PM - Edit history (1)

....a mile away from either. At the time the Throgs Neck Bridge hadn't been built yet, though. It opened about four or five years later. Both cross Long Island Sound and end up in the South Bronx - the TNB obviously in the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx.

I did my Naval Reserve duty at the Whitestone Naval Reserve Training Center, which I guess is long gone now. I don't recall Whitestone being all that conservative - it was mostly Jewish, as was my neighborhood in Flushing. As you say, it's mostly Asian now, as is Flushing - at first Chinese, now becoming more Korean. Latinos settled further west, in neighborhoods like Corona, Jackson Heights, Woodside, and of course the South Bronx.

Had I not gone to high school in Manhattan (same HS as Jerry Nadler and Grace Meng, two NYC members of the House) I would have gone to Bayside High School, almost in the shadow of the TNB.

The conservative neighborhoods in Queens back then were Astoria and to a lesser extent College Point. But THE absolutely most conservative neighborhood, indeed entire borough, was and is Staten Island. Going there almost seemed like I WAS in the midwest!

I thought it was great when Max Rose won two years ago, that was a huge surprise!

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Yes indeed:
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:38 PM
Nov 2020

In 2016 trump got 18% of the vote citywide, but 57% in Staten Island. That's why Rose's win in 2018 was so shocking.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
9. Gonna check the memory a bit here
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

Whitestone was never particularly Jewish; the main ethnic Jewish area near there was the Mitchell-Linden apartments, which was more or less on the border of Whitestone, but still technically Flushing. Whitestone was historically Irish, Italian, and later some Balkans and Greek (after 1980) - mainly white Roman Catholic, which is how it sustained three full Catholic parishes. There were additional Jewish populations in LeHavre (another apartment complex), but the non-apartment residential areas of Whitestone were mainly white non-Jewish until the late 90's. Whitestone has voted conservative in most recent elections. It is probably as conservative as parts of Staten Island.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. I was living in the area from 1956 through the mid-late 1970s. On Jewish holidays....
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 08:44 PM
Nov 2020

....in elementary school, in a class of 40 students there were only three of us in class - two Italian boys and myself. For perspective, we lived a block from Francis Lewis Boulevard, about 2 blocks from Holy Cross High School.

Coincidentally, there was a guy in my college class in Manhattan who lived only six blocks from me in Whitestone. He was Italian and was VERY (obnoxiously) conservative.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
12. Well, it was public school
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:11 PM
Nov 2020

Most Catholics went to Catholic school back then. (St. Luke's, St. Mel's, St. Andrew's and OLBS near where you were, Holy Trinity deeper in Whitestone, although I don't know if Holy Trinity was open back then).

Nac Mac Feegle

(970 posts)
13. My wife is from New York City, and I've always wondered
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:21 PM
Nov 2020

Over the 35 + years I've visited her relatives;

Who the hell is Throg, and how did he get a bridge named after his neck???

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
15. The Top 10 Secrets of the Throgs Neck Bridge in NYC
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:51 PM
Nov 2020

Since it first opened to traffic in 1961, the Throgs Neck Bridge has served as a vital link between the Bronx and Queens. Today, amidst all the congestion so characteristic to New York City, the span helps carry over 100,000 vehicles to and from their destinations every day. It might not be the most aesthetic bridge, like the Bronx-Whitestone, located two miles to the west, but it’s still has a place in the hearts of many New Yorkers who would otherwise be twiddling their thumbs on the Triborough or the Whitestone.

10. Robert Moses Spelled ‘Throgs Neck’ With One ‘G’ to Save Money

The Throgs Neck Bridge connects the Throggs Neck section of the Bronx to the Bay Terrace in Queens. The name “Throg’s Neck” or “Throggs Neck” is derived from John Throckmorton, who established his colony in the area in 1643. In referencing the land, both spellings of the name, with either one of two “G’s,” are accepted. However, the older and more established residents (pre-1960’s) generally tend to go for two “G’s.”

On the other hand, the Throgs Neck Bridge is definitely spelled with one “G” thanks to master builder, Robert Moses, who wanted to save money with sign costs. According to Bronx Historian, Lloyd Ultan, the name change meant less paint had to be used on all the signs.

https://untappedcities.com/2016/10/10/the-top-10-secrets-of-throgs-neck-bridge-in-nyc

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Hah! One of THE most important "secrets" of the bridge, if you plan on going over...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:00 PM
Nov 2020

....southbound during rush hour, is to not take I-295 all the way to the bridge. The toll booths can sometimes be way backed up (although it's better with EZ Pass now). So get off the exit about a mile or so before the bridge and take the Throgs Neck Expressway the last mile. There's a quick left turn onto I-295 again that's only a few hundred feet from the toll booths. That can sometimes save a half hour or so!

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