We will win tonight, but I'll tell you this....

[jcmaine72]

I will NEVER believe another jive-ass political poll again. I said the same thing after 2016, but I hoped this time would be different.

How could people be this shitty at their jobs and still draw paychecks?

[Turin_C3PO]

1. Yeah, I've been on here defending

the polls showing us with a good lead. I was wrong.

[pnwmom]

46. Who says we don't have a lead? Several key states have millions of votes yet uncounted. n/t

[grantcart]

47. Well on the national popular vote they were projecting 8-10%

Probably going to be 3-5%

[Turin_C3PO]

50. You're right, I'm still hopeful.

But in some of the states that went Trump, it appears that the polls were pretty wrong.

[PTWB]

2. Smart people told us they found the problem with the 2016 polls and fixed it for this time.

I believed them.

I won’t believe them again until they nail several cycles in a row and can prove they’re consistently accurate.

[jcmaine72]

29. Me too!!

It all sounded so convincing. Then again, isn't that what crooked car mechanics always say to angry customers who bring their cars back to them after the first round of failed "repairs"?

"We're sorry. We found what the problem really was and have fixed it"....and then your muffler falls off on the I-95.

Screw them!

[MontanaMama]

3. 100%

No more.

[OhZone]

4. Yeah, they are like weather predicitons.

[sfstaxprep]

5. It's Not Like People Didn't Get Out And Vote

Not sure what more we could have done.

The country is completely divided. There is no other take away.

[BSdetect]

6. If we elected a POTUS by popular vote we could dispense with many polls.

[Blasphemer]

7. Agreed. They have limited utility....

and they likely made the Biden camp focus on states they shouldn't have. We just need to go back to Dean's 50 state strategy and screw the polls.

[barbtries]

15. been saying this for years.

50 states. concede NOTHING.

or 52, after DC and PR get statehood.

[Thekaspervote]

23. This!

[NRaleighLiberal]

8. I completely agree.

[renate]

9. Gee I wonder why McConnell didn't want election protections

It’s weird....

[SummerSnow]

10. Yep. Polls are very misleading. Morning Joe would spend 3 hours talking about the polls.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

37. Maybe polls are really just something to make noise about on the air. Drama.

Otherwise they're pretty useless.

[blm]

11. They never calculate suppression, purging, stealing, padding,

Russian vote changing.

[still_one]

12. I never gave too much credence in the polls. I think a lot of people do not answer calls from

numbers they do not recognize, and those that do, skew the polls

[bamagal62]

13. This whole thing sucks

[mr_lebowski]

14. The polls can be accurate while the votes work out differently...

All it takes is an enthusiasm advantage changing % of people showing up at the polls/actually voting.

Trumps people are fucking frothing at the mouth to support this guy.

[Quixote1818]

16. This isn't even half way through. Lets see how things fall by the end before ripping the polls

FL, NC, GA were all razor thin and Trump winning those is inside the margin of error.

[Statistical]

31. Trump winning maybe not Trump winning by 3 pts.

Polls showed Biden up an average of 3 pts in FL. Within MOE would be Trump winning by one not three. Trump winning by 3 possibly 3.5 is a 6 to 6.5 underperformance. That isn't MOE that is a bad poll and there wasn't one there were dozens.

[Brainfodder]

17. Don't forget Citizens United, gerrymandering, and all their malarkey!

[Thekaspervote]

18. Oh so right there with ya!

[elleng]

19. Yes, I failed (myself) by paying attention to polls.

Human-nature causes 'gamblers' to keep their jobs.

[StevieM]

20. 2016 is actually a bad example of a year when the polls were supposedly wrong.

The polls changed dramatically at the end of the 2016 election.

James Comey turned the election upside down, with a good assist from Vladimir Putin.

[Meadowoak]

21. The vote is being hacked.

[crimycarny]

34. Agree.

There is just NO WAY the turnout is so high in voters who plan to vote for Biden but Trump wins. Vote flipping is happening. I want manual recounts in every close state.

[mucifer]

22. I think there might be interference in the voting machines

[joshcryer]

24. Liars and cheaters have made polling complete soothsaying.

[soothsayer]

28. Hey!

Oh, I know what you mean

[joshcryer]

32. Check this out:

https://www.cloudresearch.com/resources/blog/election-2020-poll-respondent-honesty/

[soothsayer]

33. Thank you. It was mainly a wee bit of levity re: my name

Cuz... things are tense.

[joshcryer]

38. Ooh! I'm so dumb!

[soothsayer]

40. Ha, not at all! And the link is appreciated

[samnsara]

25. this time 4 years ago trump was obviously winning

[Windy City Charlie]

26. The problem is

The problem is not many trust the pollsters as it is....so one of two things happen that throw it off so much. #1, a lot of people don't participate in the polling, and #2 the people that do participate in the polling, get their kicks out of lying to the pollsters.

[Captain Zero]

27. We need to review stats for large precincts swing states

That is where anomalies always occur since 2004. Republicans always pick up bigger percentages there over the last election. Why? Because that is where the votes are to steal with software.

[PutGramaOnThePhone]

30. Ok, maybe I'm...

naive, but I’ll bite. First of all, I hear ya, and want to say the same thing, however... I’d say there are a whole lot of problems with political polling, and people being shitty at their jobs has nothing to do with it.

[getagrip_already]

35. Polls are the currency of political reporting... thats why

They aren't designed to do anything more than get people to click or watch or donate. Period.

They can be accurate. But can't measure voter suppression, or hacking, or mail room black holes.

[kurtcagle]

36. No, I'm inclined to believe this is systemically induced (machines)

Polling is not a science, but when you end up with a number of reputable polling firms all picking up the same results, and yet the final results are WILDLY divergent from those results, that's when you begin to suspect the election itself.

Ask yourself this. Early voting is actually a pretty good sampling, as are mail-in-ballots. The latter in particular are harder to falsify, because there's a paper trail. The mail-ballots in general were running consistent with the poll numbers. Yet all of a sudden, out of nowhere, in a single day, there were more than enough voters being counted to completely break the pattern.

No, something stinks to high heaven here.

[gldstwmn]

39. Joe will win.

The number of votes is so big it's taking a long time to count them. High turnout favors us.

[soothsayer]

42. Has to. I agree.

[gldstwmn]

45. Everyone is reporting record turnouts.

[Raine]

41. Push poll, what they wanted instead of what was for real! 😡 nt

[Tom Rivers]

43. I have called a skinny EC win for Biden for a while

Always thought it would be in the 278-291 range rather than the 300 and even the crazy 400 I was seeing.

When all of the votes are counted, Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States.

[liberal_mama]

44. They're as bad as the weathermen!

It must be nice to be able to wrong all the time.

[yaesu]

48. electio may be closer than expected so be prepared for

repukes to fight any anti tRump results all the way to the supreme court

[Jon King]

49. Why do polls never miss in Dems favor???

There is zero reason to ever do another poll. People can lie, change their minds, many folks simply don't answer their phones for unknown numbers. Its simply amazing that EVERY poll was wrong but in Dems favor. Not one single state did the polls underestimate Biden. That is amazing to me how every single time it under counts Trump support.

[garybeck]

51. why do you believe election results over polls?

[DallasNE]

52. Not Sure It Is The Pollsters

Too many votes aren’t getting counted. Same number of votes counted this year as 2016. Something is clearly screwy.

[MFM008]

53. Charlie Cook

Said a razor thin margin for Biden
Or a blowout.

Still waiting.