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I find it absolutely incredible that after these four years trump gets the amount of support he does.
Or any at all.
This is not any normal election. Reagan, the Bushes, Ike, McCain, Goldwater, Ford, Dole, Romney... Even Nixon, before the fall... We disagreed with them about serious policy and attitudes. But they had policies, and even if Reagan and Nixon had their scandals, none of them were working actively against the country and its people. They all genuinely believed they were doing their best for the nation.
How so many people miss that lack in this lopsided, snaggletoothed shiteater befuddles me.
Has our nation sunk so low, or did we just not notice since out past presidents and candidates never sunk this low before.
Whichever, it is disgusting and depressing that we are here.
I'll shut up now.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)the well off types are mostly interested in their personal day to day lives. THEY have not been affected by covid yet so why should they give up their lives ? That's the thinking .
And then there are the bigoted , resentful types who are mainly incels .
Social Media is a HUGE part of all of this .
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)What a crushing disappointment to see that so many Americans think a belligerently ignorant crooked bigot like pResident Shit-for-Brains has any business whatsoever anywhere near the WH.
I think I know how Munch felt.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)You are on to something. The Racist appeals to the lowest common demonstrator and way too many people are MORE THAN comfortable with that.
America has sunk to an all time low. The other lowest point was Slavery. We are on the cusp of matching it, again.
TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)But it is looking like he will beat that, based on turnout in rural areas. I think the suburban swings appear to be mixed, and that will probably determine the outcome in PA and MI, along with any increased turnout of Democrats in urban areas. The early lead in OH evaporated, and that state appears to be roughly no change from 2016, with any increase in Democratic votes offset by increases in Republican votes.
But I hear you.
pat_k
(9,313 posts). . . the "vote subtraction."
Since 2001 and 2004 Florida and Ohio have only gotten better at "vote subtraction" tactics. This year, Trump "operatives" across the country have gone to extraordinary and obvious lengths to see that votes from black people, residents of democratic strongholds, and other "unfavorable groups" are not counted (like students, who in many places are being barred from voting because they got their ID's more than 2 years ago.... i.e., all juniors and seniors.).
But, that aside. The fact that there are enough of "them" to make the election stealable is horrifying.
I think we need to come to terms with the fact that "mainstream" American culture is psychopathic. Our national "culture" values individual financial achievement above all else. It has no empathy for the homeless on our streets. We have learned to step over them and look away as we go about our business. (Even those that still have empathy dont have enough to collectively demand action it is assumed that we cant afford it.) It is a culture that values "leaders" who have no empathy or consideration for the "losers" they crush on their road to "success." It pays deference to leaders that cut worker wages and benefits without regard for consequences in the pursuit of profit for the few.
It is also a prevailing attitude that rejects things like universal health care (that would save those leaders dollars and boost profits) for the sole reason that they do not want "those people" (you know, black people and such) to get a "freebie." They may not realize this is the thought that drives them, but I have come to believe that racism is at the core of the failure of any anti-poverty program this nation has ever even considered pursuing.
Years back, I read a book by Bobby Wright, Psychopathic Racial Personality and other essays. I found the essay (or a version of it) online here. At the time, I considered it thought-provoking, but "over the top." The past four years have exposed the psychopathic traits that have infiltrated and become valued. I think one of the roots of the death of empathy is the national blindness and denial of our cruel history and the ongoing structural and interpersonal racism "baked into" every institution.
Sorry if I got a bit carried away, but the "reign of trump" has led to some hard realizations. I'm at a bit of a loss on what to do, even if Biden pulls out a win. I see no obvious "cure" to what is ailing this country.
ananda
(28,834 posts)The power of white might alone fuels the entire
Republican Party. But the price is heavy because
it requires a complete loss of empathy and humanity.
And the way our world is now, they will bring us all
down if given the chance.
There is no rationality operating here .. just might makes
right. The leader is always right, the one toting a gun
for white power and God can commit crimes and atrocities
with impunity.
The greater good is not a factor; the power of a diverse
plurality working together to make our world better
and more sustainable is not a factor.
And they dont care if they die or others die, as long as
they get to feel the power of their mindless cult to root
out the criminals among us PoC. Immigrants, glbtq,
women, liberals, etc.
We can already see this backfiring on them in the form
of climate change and ecological disasters like Covid.
We see that humanity must work together for change
if we are to survive in any liveable fashion.
Thats why I look to Dickens when I say:
Begin the world, Mr Biden. Begin the world.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Thank you.
And I will echo:
"Begin the world, Mr Biden. Begin the world."
Behind the Aegis
(53,919 posts)I am beyond disgusted by what is happening.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and rule of law, for crimes against humanity, for refusing to stop climate devastation of humanity or spreading disease into a holocaust even as other deadly diseases threaten to join in is shocking and horribly disturbing. They'll someday claim innocence, insist they didn't know. That last will be to some extent true -- because they refused to know as they embraced evil.
"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time..."
And he could never have imagined manipulation via social media. Getting past this era of mass social psychopathy is going to be even harder and take longer than hoped yesterday. Decency failed, and they haven't hit bottom yet.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)...in the 2016 elections... by "liberals."
The way the AA community on this very board was all but wiped off of this server...
It is not, at all, in any way, surprising to me, that Trump got so many votes.
My only mistake was back then not actually seeing the writing on the wall, being so naive, about how racist the country really is, about how completely polarized the country really is.
It is insane.
betsuni
(25,376 posts)betsuni
(25,376 posts)A policy-free party except for tax cuts for the rich. Republican voters are programmed to hate government, which mysteriously means Democrats when they're never really in charge. Propaganda pretending to come from the Left convinces others that the parties are same, even that Democrats are the true problem. The United States of conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Depressing.