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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTime to rid ourselves of ALL computers in our elections. All of them are provided
by private, right wing vendors connected to rethuglicans.
We need to fight for hand marked, hand counted paper ballots at the precinct level with public oversight.
THIS IS THE SOLUTION. THERE IS NO BETTER WAY.
Precincts are capped at between 1000 - 2000 registered voters. You'll never have long lines; you'll never have mail -in ballots knee-capped by a rethuglican imposter running the USPS cuz he donated $2million to a president.
Everything went off the rails with the advent of HAVA. The vendors have been empowered and are aggressive and smother elections officials with their tactics. Rethugs have also been packing the elections infrastructure for decades. We have more rethuglican SOSs than dems. -- why is that???
Our elections are run by a handful of RIGHT WING CORPORATIONS.
I thought I was gonna vomit when I saw a guest on TRMS -- some formerly highly positioned gov't security official (cannot recall his name) reassure us that our votes were secure with cybersecurity.
First step I recommend, is for Harry Hursti to be interviewed on a high profile show like TRMS to explain the ease with which our voting infrastructure is susceptible to mind boggling hackability.
fierywoman
(7,641 posts)CharleyDog
(755 posts)to make sure fair voting is only lip service.
We thought he was brutal before?
McConnell: "hold my beer"
Supreme Court: "hold my single malt"
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)diva77
(7,606 posts)little effort and no physical human presence where the fraud occurs.
BComplex
(7,984 posts)to raise a loud enough alarm over! It's like NOBODY CAN HEAR IT!!!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I believe the "fictional" ability to hack without being noticed is just that, fiction until someone proves it. I know a lot of folks will write books, articles, make speeches about how it was hacked. But until someone offers some proof -- besides pollsters totally missing the universe of voters -- I remain skeptical.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant and continue to beef up voting security.
diva77
(7,606 posts)private contractors are so outrageous -- by hundreds of millions of $$ in LA County, for example. You don't need any of this when you have hand marked paper ballots at the precinct level counted by poll workers &/or citizens who could be summoned in a way similar to jury duty.
magicarpet
(13,941 posts).... are so easily subject to hacking and fraudulent activities.
BComplex
(7,984 posts)bank account than for the future of our country and TRILLIONS of hackable dollars coming from a crooked politician!
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)New Mexico in the voting process. When I go to vote after the clerk confirms my name/address in their Big Book I sign my signature on a computerized signature pad. My
paper ballot is then printed out with my signature printed on it. After I complete my ballot
I take it to a scanner where my paper ballot is scanned and tabulated and saved for future reference. I like this process. Computers do have positive uses.
diva77
(7,606 posts)Here is some info. from Aug. 2020
The election security hole everyone ignores
Increasing numbers of polling places use electronic devices to check in voters and verify their eligibility. But the devices often create chaos and introduce new vulnerabilities to elections.
By KIM ZETTER
08/31/2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/election-security-hole-406471
Problems with the devices, known as electronic pollbooks, caused long lines during this years presidential primary in Los Angeles County and contributed to chaos and hours-long waits during Georgias primary in June. They led to past years snafus in places such as Philadelphia, North Carolina, Indiana and South Dakota.
While tampering with e-pollbooks wouldnt directly change anyones vote, malfunctions or cyberattacks against the devices could sway the outcome in other ways for instance by causing delays that prevent people from voting.
Pollbooks, unlike voting machines, do not undergo federal testing and certification and have no uniform standards governing their design or security. There is also no oversight of the handful of vendors who dominate the industry to ensure they keep their own networks secure. Kremlin-linked hackers attempted to breach the network of at least one U.S. e-pollbook provider in 2016, according to a leaked NSA document.
Federal lawmakers such as Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) have questioned electronic pollbook makers about the security of their products and networks. E-pollbooks and the companies that make them have gone too long without oversight, Wyden told POLITICO in an email.
Electronic pollbooks have failed, repeatedly, in elections across the country and are clearly one of the weakest links in our election infrastructure, he wrote.
Introduced more than a decade ago to replace printed pollbooks, the devices were used by election offices in 36 states in the 2018 elections, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which said the number of jurisdictions using them had risen 48 percent since 2016. Jurisdictions using the devices accounted for about half of all registered voters four years ago, according to the National Academy of Sciences. They are especially common in densely populated urban areas.
The Brennan Center for Justice, which has been involved in improving election administration for more than a decade, calls electronic pollbooks an overlooked vulnerability.
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