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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsArizona was the big story this election. What caused such a big shift against Trump there?
And can we expect AZ to start turning reliably blue like NM, CO and NV?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)1) People moving in from California
2) Trump being such a dick to McCain
Kali
(55,007 posts)seems like most of those Californians are repukes.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I always use hedge words
sweetloukillbot
(11,008 posts)Younger transplants in Maricopa and Pima are probably blue, older transplants in Yavapai are VERY red.
Kali
(55,007 posts)AnyFunctioningAdult
(192 posts)A ton of people are moving here from Washington and California. The love for McCain is also real here and a lot of otherwise Republicans had that as a reason to not support Trump. I had hoped his mom would have lived to see Trump lose, but sadly she died a few weeks ago (at 108!).
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)the Mormon's in Phoenix,Mesa,and Scottsdale. Those hard core Trumper's did not want to loose their Medical Insurance and be left naked facing Covid.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)They, unlike most faux-Christians ... actually really believe in the Bible for reals. I mean they have their own book too, but ... Trump being a blatantly immoral, lying fuck really bothers a decent number of them.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)try to blemish their Anointed one. You mess with those who are direct descendants of their Churches Founders,you will not be one of them.
The Romney slam did him more harm than he understood. Lived in Utah for 12 years,if you ain't one of them,you got to get out. We did and it was the best move ever.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Which ... may or may not matter in the end ... but it would be kinda awesome if it did cause it'd literally be the first time in my entire LIFE my Vote for POTUS actually mattered.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)should have hurt him the most
msongs
(67,395 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)A very attractive Senate candidate.
Also the McCain's have been blowtorching Trump in the state. We should thank them for that.
tirebiter
(2,536 posts)Being a bedroom community for LA has consequences.
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)Kali
(55,007 posts)and with the help of others of that persuasion rejected his disgustingness. doubt it will stay blue if normality returns to the party, but who knows? we are known to be contrary anyway.
pwb
(11,261 posts).
MarcA
(2,195 posts)IVoteDFL
(417 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Trump insulted Arizona's favorite son and Cindy McCain and Megan McCain endorsed Biden.
MLAA
(17,282 posts)McCain effect
Coattails of Kelly in part due to bit of Misogyny (Of course Kelly is an excellent candidate and McSally is beyond awful and a woman)
Will wait to see the breakouts but hoping younger voters kicked in as well.
Edit: just read article about strength of Latino vote in AZ. Hurray and tip of the hat to them!
Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)says hello
Shermann
(7,412 posts)Bah humbug!
malaise
(268,933 posts)for starters
sweetloukillbot
(11,008 posts)Kali
(55,007 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,008 posts)They may not have gone for Biden, but if they didn't vote for Trump, that would be a net in Biden's favor.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)436,521 Members of record there. Im sure there was a shift of 80k there too.
Vivienne235729
(3,383 posts)FreeState
(10,570 posts)Mormons outside of Utah tend to be much more liberal despite being GOP.
oswaldactedalone
(3,490 posts)Joe Arpaio and Trumps pardon of him.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)She led the entire way, as counting continued for five days.
Arizonans really care about health care, which we are sorely lacking especially in our rural areas.
This has been a few years in the making. Maricopa County is the key player and also Pima.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Didn't anyone tell you of the premise of "Don't speak ill of the dead"? BOOM!
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)kurtcagle
(1,602 posts)so you are seeing more highly educated young people replacing the Baby Boomers of Sun City, especially as exorbitant housing prices and more work from home opportunities due to Covid make Arizona an attractive alternative for young tech professionals.
dsc
(52,155 posts)One is that it was a different type of GOP state, in that it was mostly older white suburban voters that were the bread and butter of the GOP vote there, and well, Trump hasn't helped that. They don't have as many rural white people as many other states so Trump couldn't run up the score in rural counties like he did in NC for example.
Two, is that he was such a total dick to McCain, who was well loved there, that had to have been unhelpful for him. I also think pardoning Arpaio which I am sure he thought would help him, instead hurt him.
Three, it has been trending blue for a while now. We have both Senate seats there with this last one being an easy win. We have a majority of the congressional delegation, and I think we won the secretary of state office there (which is their 2nd highest state office). In short, I think we will see more good things to come.
That area, the mountain west, is moving rather quickly toward us. We will win a majority of the EV this time, probably overwhelmingly. We won CO, NM, and probably AZ, NV while we will lose ID, MT, WY, ND, and SD. That would give an EV split of 29 to 17.
Both AZ and NV, though they are among the least urbanized by land area are among the most urbanized by percent of people who live in an urban area. Given how badly Trump is doing among suburban voters and urban voters, it isn't surprising it helped cost him AZ.
sortasvenska7
(18 posts)Our state has been particularly hard hit by Covid and our governor ceded his leadership on Covid to Mayors and county boards of supervisors. Voters on all sides were also disgusted with Trumps response and McSally aligning herself so closely to Trump cost her many votes. And thus, many Independents and Republicans voted for Biden and Kelly. Our state is unique in that a full third of registered voters are Independent and this time they went for Biden and Kelly. Also, grassroots organizations particularly geared towards getting out the vote on the Navajo Nation and groups like MiVota and Lucha focused on getting the LatinX vote out. We feel good here on the ground, that finally we may be reliably blue!
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Olafjoy
(937 posts)Showed a lot of women across the spectrum HATE Dumpster. Also I was overwhelmed by the amount of Hispanic voting and engagement. Legalizing pot was on the ballot too so I was seeing a lot of young people vote. We knocked on one door and two guys kind of came falling out of the apartment trailed by smoke and a strong smell of marijuana
A la Jeff Spicolli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Hell yeah we voted they told my friend and me.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)...but I did have a lengthy and in-depth discussion with a middle aged black guy who had been in prison.
We talked about our local Hispanic woman Democratic DA candidate (shes in a runoff!) who wants to eliminate cash bail, the school to prison pipeline, the importance of our Democratic candidate for Sheriff (he won!), how wrong it is to have a private prison industry, and many other matters. He took a bunch of door cards for his friends at work!
I love getting out and talking to real people in real life!
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)eom
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I read a blog of a friend and former coworker who writes on Arizona politics, and he is cautiously optimistic about the state going blue. Time will tell.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)...an astronaut.