Too many white people have a "red problem"

[True Dough]

This is a longstanding and troubling trend:





I don't know how their eyes can be opened, but it's discouraging to see that generations still don't get the message.

[Guilded Lilly]

1. Indeed. Way tooooo many. n/t

[durablend]

2. Can't fix stupid

Look at the counties in western PA...Trump got 60-70-80+ % of the vote. You're not going to appeal to that without becoming a Republican.

[people]

3. Too Many White Voters . . .

have a racist problem which is the same as a red problem.

[whathehell]

4. Too many Black & Hispanic people as well, according to Newsweek..

Unbelievably, Trump got MORE votes from Black and Hispanic voters this time.... Figure that out.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-increases-share-black-hispanic-vote-1544698

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/upshot/election-polling-racial-gap.html

[FakeNoose]

6. This is incorrect, it's taken from exit poll interviews only

You should delete this post!

Black men voted for Biden at the rate of over 80% which is the same number for every presidential candidate except Obama. The exit polls for this election are faulty or misleading, since people who voted in person on election day tended to be Chump supporters, due to bad faith in the mailed ballots and early voting dates.

[Polybius]

9. I thought it said he did better with black men this time

So that would include 2016 too. You're right about the rest though, he did about the same as W. Bush.

[FakeNoose]

11. People should just ignore any story that says "exit poll" on it

They're all worthless until they can be compared to the actual voting numbers. This is a very weird situation this year anyway, so we can't compare it to other elections.

[shrike3]

16. From what I saw, the gains were very slight

Hillary got 82 percent. Joe got 80 percent. Granted, it should have been higher, but that's a negligible drop.

[whathehell]

18. He did better with Black AND Hispanic men this time,

He does better with men than women across the board. He seems to have some "macho" appeal that unfortunately transcends race, at times.

Here's a Newsweek article about it..

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-appeals-men-fragile-masculinity-1236701

[whathehell]

39. It does and he did.

However disconcerting that may be to some here.

[whathehell]

13. I've posted two links, one from Newsweek, the other the New York Times

They are both reliable sources -- No need to delete them, especially before they are read.

[cwydro]

21. Thank you.

People only want to see stats that reinforce their own biases.

[whathehell]

24. You're welcome..

and I know exactly what you mean about confirmation bias.

[LanternWaste]

36. Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony in your having said that.

[Polybius]

7. So how did he lose?

It doesn't make sense. He improved his standings with white women, blacks, and Hispanics.

[whathehell]

15. Reading the links

should provide some answers.

[cwydro]

22. Has he lost yet?

News to me.

[Polybius]

23. Even if he gets extremely lucky and wins...

He can't match his 2016 Electoral totals.

[cwydro]

26. I don't want him in our house, at all.

His matching means nothing.

A win is a tragedy.

[IndyOp]

12. I'm looking for this story to unfold. Trump's been campaigning - and lying -

to various constituencies for the last 4 years. They've done an excellent job of identifying issues they can use as wedges and micro-targeting groups. Many Hispanic groups are very entrepreneurial, small "c" conservative in that they prize traditional family roles are pro-life Catholics and anti-gay.

Keeping in mind that Biden may get 10+ million more votes more than Trump - and that's important and should cause everyone criticizing the Democratic Party to chill out - Dems still need to figure out how to cross some divides.

Just my opinion....

[Polybius]

5. What were the percentages in 2016?

I understand 2020 might be too early for data.

[Bettie]

8. Since my first election

I have been in the Blue minority of white people.

It truly sucks that the white community isn't willing to address its problems.

[whathehell]

20. The "blue minority of white people" is actually a large minority,

..close to 50% in most presidential elections.

People constantly spoke of how Obama got 'only' 42% of the white vote, implying it was about Race more than Party, even though it was the same percentage given Bill Clinton in the '90's.

[JI7]

10. It started after civil rights was passed and Nixon's southern Strategy

that's why democratic gains are mostly becsuse of demographic changes.

[Klaralven]

14. Prior to 2000, the Democrats were red and the Republicans blue

I'm assuming that someone must have complained about the Democratic party being assigned the color associated with international socialism.

[whathehell]

17. Huh?

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The Dems haven't even gone near the color red since the 1950's Red Scare.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

25. Maybe referring to the colors used on electoral maps...

... in the old days by the national media?

[whathehell]

27. I don't know..

I've been politically aware for most of my 70 years, and don't recall that.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

28. Yeah, I don't know.

CBS used red for Carter in '76, though.

[whathehell]

29. Maybe..

but that was quite a few years before 2020,.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. Here's an article about it.

When Republicans Were Blue and Democrats Were Red:
The era of color-coded political parties is more recent than you might think

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were-blue-and-democrats-were-red-104176297/

Excerpt:
That’s right: In the beginning, blue was red and red was blue and they changed back and forth from election to election and network to network in what appears, in hindsight, to be a flight of whimsy. The notion that there were “red states” and “blue states”—and that the former were Republican and the latter Democratic—wasn’t cemented on the national psyche until the year 2000.

[whathehell]

37. Maybe on some election maps every few years

but the staunch refusal of Democrats to associate themselves with the color Red goes back to the post Red Scare 1950's I learned that back in my 1982 Poli Sci class.

[Klaralven]

31. Red states and blue states

According to another source, in 1976, John Chancellor, the anchorman for NBC Nightly News, asked his network's engineers to construct a large illuminated map of the United States. The map was placed in the network's election-night news studio. If Jimmy Carter, the Democratic candidate that year, won a state, it lit up in red whereas if Gerald Ford, the incumbent Republican President, carried a state, it was in blue.[1] The feature proved to be so popular that, four years later, all three major television networks used colors to designate the states won by the presidential candidates, though not all using the same color scheme. NBC continued its color scheme (blue for Republicans) until 1996.[1] NBC newsman David Brinkley famously referred to the 1980 election map outcome showing Republican Ronald Reagan's 44-state landslide as resembling a "suburban swimming pool."[14]

Since the 1984 election, CBS has used the opposite scheme: blue for Democrats, red for Republicans. ABC used yellow for Republicans and blue for Democrats in 1976, then red for Republicans and blue for Democrats in 1980, 1984, and 1988. In 1980, when John Anderson ran a relatively high-profile campaign as an independent candidate, at least one network provisionally indicated that they would use yellow if he were to win a state. Similarly, at least one network would have used yellow to indicate a state won by Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996, though neither of them did claim any states in any of these years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

[whathehell]

35. A narrow, short lived application..

A longer, broader one mandated Democrats never ally themselves with Red, Red, since it was so closely connected to Communism, i.e. "Red China",, "Better Dead than Red", "Pinko", etc.

[crickets]

32. Too many white people (and people in general) think they are educated and well informed

when they truly aren't. Two important elements of any strategy to address this:

1. Fix the media problem that has ballooned out of control since the demise of the Fairness Doctrine. I don't know what the solution is, but it needs to be addressed in some way. RW radio, FOX News, and social media bots are killing our country by degrees and we need to do something about it.

2. Fund public education properly, and stop teaching students to take standardized tests without imparting real knowledge. Civics, world history, and critical thinking need to be taught in our schools well before students graduate from high school.

Those two things alone would go a long way in changing the discourse in this country.

[whathehell]

40. Too many Dumb People of all races have that problem.

[crickets]

41. "and people in general"

I saw the first version of your post. Thanks for changing it. Peace.

[whathehell]

42. Uh huh

I'm glad you saw the first version of my post..

Peace back at ya.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

33. Split the country between (small d) democrats and fascists.

Reasoning with fascists is like trying to reason with a crocodile.

[True Dough]

34. How would you propose splitting the country?

Things are obviously very divisive, polarized. Bloodshed could ensue under existing conditions, no doubt. But how could the balkanization of the U.S. proceed without provoking a full-on civil war?