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Cyrano

(15,031 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:17 PM Nov 2020

Is the Confederate flag America's swastika?

By the time your read this, Joe and Kamala will have won the election.But Trump and his fascists aren't going away.

Many (most?) of them love that Confederate flag. As far as I'm concerned, there's no difference between that stars and bars rag flag and the Nazi swastika. But this time around, it goes far beyond being just a "Southern" flag." Hate/bigotry/ignorance isn't limited to a geographical region.

Trump flipped over the rock and turned loose every racist, hater and miserable prick in this country. He made it okay to use the "N" word. He made it okay to hate LGBTQ people. He made it fashionable to hate Muslims, Jews, Asians, Mexicans, and Democrats who they've labeled as "socialists." He made it fashionable to be an incredibly stupid, cruel, malicious human being.

So here's the bad news. Even after Joe and Kamala win this, about half of the people in this country don't/can't grasp who and what they have voted for. They don't know that (or maybe many of them do know) they voted for fascism. They don't know where that leads. (Or do they?)

At this moment, I'm very distrustful of almost half the people in this country. And I can't help but wonder how many of them would look away from concentration camps, ovens, ... well, you get the idea.

States that would reelect McConnell/Susan Collins/Tom Cotton represent a country that is capable of anything. ANYTHING.

I fear for my country when I see how much incredible ignorance, hatred and just pure dumb exists.

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Is the Confederate flag America's swastika? (Original Post) Cyrano Nov 2020 OP
Yes, it is, and it is often accompanied by the actual swastika, to ensure it's understood. tblue37 Nov 2020 #1
Possibly, Neo Nazi's use it in Germany where the swastika is illegal. gordianot Nov 2020 #2
I'd have to say no but there's a definite overlap PirateRo Nov 2020 #3
The confederate flag ceased being confederate after the civil war... Thomas Hurt Nov 2020 #4
It was. johnp3907 Nov 2020 #5
Trump isn't over Cyrano Nov 2020 #9
Sort of. Real Nazis in the 30's used it as a symbol of hope and strength against both Stalinists and TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #6
Yes relayerbob Nov 2020 #7
Yes. nt jrthin Nov 2020 #8
Yes. Next question? Merlot Nov 2020 #10
The Confederate flag is the USA's swastika now. PufPuf23 Nov 2020 #11
Pretty much. Solomon Nov 2020 #12

PirateRo

(933 posts)
3. I'd have to say no but there's a definite overlap
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

I’ve seen both symbols displayed separately and I’ve seen confederate flangers become offended by Nazi. Likewise, I’ve seen Nazi look at the confederate flag as weak tea. And if you point it out as weak team, it offends both.

It’s a great country that can provide the freedom to be stupid, but I think we need to pull that back in a tad.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. The confederate flag ceased being confederate after the civil war...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

it has been the political banner for the conservative/reactionary and fascist ideology in this country since.

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
5. It was.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

It’s been replaced by the Trump flag. Appropriate since the confederacy and Trump’s presidency lasted about the same amount of time.

Cyrano

(15,031 posts)
9. Trump isn't over
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:51 PM
Nov 2020

Even after he leaves, or is dragged from the White House, he is the new Limbaugh of America's crazies. Actually, he'll probably far surpass the number of Limbaugh worshipers.

He won't give up spewing his hate into cameras, Twitter, Facebook, Fox, rallies, and every other way in which he can gather together an audience in whom he can fill with more hatred than already exists in them.

This crazy fuck ain't going away until he dies.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. Sort of. Real Nazis in the 30's used it as a symbol of hope and strength against both Stalinists and
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:28 PM
Nov 2020

the weakened Weimar Republic.

It was assumed that they could be held in check, but the Depression and a few other things brought them out from under the woodpile.

Current neo-Nazis seem to be using it as a symbol of withdrawal from what they see as non-governing government nowadays. Or improper governing-- constant interference with some vague "rights" they believe in.

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
11. The Confederate flag is the USA's swastika now.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:55 PM
Nov 2020

If the Confederate flag was not now viewed as the USA's swastica before Trump, it is now and we have learned (I hope) that it should have been viewed that negatively.

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