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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's time to call the race.
There are no reasonable, fact-based arguments left raising the possibility that Biden didn't win this election. He will exceed 270 electoral votes, almost certainly by far, by the time the rest of the votes are counted.
While it's so important to be prudent and cautious in such matters, we also have a responsibility to protect our democracy and the will of the people from those trying to reject those values. Our opponents have a long history of taking small, anti-democratic political openings and pry-barring them open to a place where they can shade or change perception of the facts in their favor. It is not safe to allow this process to go on too long.
The truth is that Joe Biden has won the right to be our next President. That fact needs to be made known to all. For those who would rather not believe it, the process of mental acceptance needs to begin. Those who understand and know the empirical truth deserve to have their knowledge backed up and supported by our media and election officials, instead of once again having their minds gaslit by these dark actors and schemers.
It's time to declare Joe Biden President-elect.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)honest.abe
(8,677 posts)Done
lame54
(35,284 posts)I want this done as much as anybody but the math needs to be there
If it is I agree
They need to call it
honest.abe
(8,677 posts)I assume they know the math. The rest of the networks are just being cautious. Ralston says NV is over. I think he knows NV better than anybody.
coti
(4,612 posts)For a total of 306 EVs. The big picture speaks for itself- even if one of the states has to later be rescinded, he still won convincingly.
We are allowing spurious legal and political arguments too much leniency, and it is getting dangerous. It is NOT safe to allow the results of this mostly typical voting process to get dragged out for days and weeks. I'm concerned those making these decisions are getting too comfortable and rationalizing not striking while the iron is hot.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)until there is a 35,000 vote lead since that would be beyond the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount
coti
(4,612 posts)They should be assuming the 100% accuracy of the figures they do in fact have
But how come no counts are being released? Its ground to a halt.
elleng
(130,865 posts)by the time the rest of the votes are counted.'
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)The pandemic may well help establish vote by mail more widely.
1848minifesto
(3 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)As far as not declaring, the AP has yet to call PA or NV.
On the flip side I think their caution is prudent. If a state was called and then had to be retracted the idiot goons would use that to say it happened all over the country and violence could really ramp up
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)provisional ballots that will not be counted until next week in Nevada. 60,000 ballots and 60,000 provisionals in a dem county.
coti
(4,612 posts)helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)Provitionals.
coti
(4,612 posts)for a total of 280 EVs.
That's not going to happen anyway.
The election is over.
torius
(1,652 posts)No idea how many or how they will skew, I suspect split D and R and some I.
coti
(4,612 posts)nickels at the mountain.
Sorry for the mixed metaphor.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)A couple hundred at most. Even if they go 100% Trump Georgia is Bidens.
Nevada should have been called Tuesday night. But because they called Arizona using the same methodology that should call NV, they are too chickenshit to do so.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Whats happening is an outrage. They know god damn well Trump isnt winning PA. Theyre trying to drag this shit out again into prime time for the ratings and ad revenue.
coti
(4,612 posts)Wicked Blue
(5,831 posts)Givse them time to think about consequences like getting arrested, etc.
Maybe they will get bored after a while... and it's almost hunting season.
Deer Day in PA is practically a religious holiday to some of them.
coti
(4,612 posts)you're creating an opening for chaos.
The longer this lingers is the greater the chance of chaos. What is Fox waiting on, they've already called AZ for Biden and Trump is not going to win in NV? Come on call it.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)For giving it time to sink in. If one of the states declare, it will be "barely" won and that State will be a target of substantial shit slinging legal and otherwise.
If it waits until all three are clear winners? We skip right over the "barely" won and go straight to the "definitely" won. That could take the wind out of all of the resistance.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Another example of them kowtowing to an authoritarian.
coti
(4,612 posts)We shouldn't be waiting any longer.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Republicans.
marie999
(3,334 posts)They say they look at the margin, how many votes are left to count, and approximately what percentage of the votes left to count will go to Biden and how many will go to trump. That does not mean that Biden has to be ahead by 50,000 votes and there are only 40,000 votes left to count. If Biden is ahead by 40,000 votes and there are 60,000 votes left to count and Biden is getting 50% of those votes, they will call it. This does not mean they have to wait for a recount. We've waited 4 years for this, we can wait a little while longer.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)NV, AZ, GA and Pennsylvania. But I could understand waiting for the votes from Pittsburgh to call PA, but no way they break for Trump. Even if they did it wouldnt be enough of a margin.
Its silly at this point.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Provisional ballots are from all parts of the state so we don/t know how many are from trump's areas and how many are from Biden's areas. I can't find how many ballots are still to count in NV, AZ, and GA.
coti
(4,612 posts)in their timidity and deference toward a terrorism-supporting autocratic leader.
Biden won. That is a fact, and they need to report it.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)It went from 14,721 to 14,541
coti
(4,612 posts)No reason to think that the next batch won't give that or more back to Biden.