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My Pet Orangutan

(9,176 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:17 AM Nov 2020

We cannot have the next contested primary beginning with IA and NH.

In particular, white than white NH must go (I have suggested CT as an alternative). Dumping NH would allow IA to move to a primary.

Now, rather than later, is the time to move. Dems next contested primary contested will be in 2028. These are my thoughts, but, after 2020, it is clear the process needs urgent reform.

EDIT: Connecticut

White 65.9%
Hispanic 16.9%
Black/AA 12.2%
Asian 5.0%
Native American 0.6%
Two or more races 2.5%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CT/PST045219

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We cannot have the next contested primary beginning with IA and NH. (Original Post) My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 OP
Imagine if Bernie was the Dem nominee v. trump? empedocles Nov 2020 #1
I can. 1972. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #3
Yep. PSPS Nov 2020 #10
You are correct! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #26
I think South Carolina should be added, Iowa needs to go and CT would be a very good alternative. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #2
California and New York Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #13
No, too big. It cost to much to compete. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #21
True. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #28
New Mexico is a good choice for sure. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #30
And consider such big states would likely have lead to a Sanders nomination. And he would Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #22
The NH Secretary of State matt819 Nov 2020 #4
If you recall MI and FL in 2008 My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #6
Agreed....Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin should be the first 3. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #5
I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #16
That makes sense as those states are absolutely necessary for any Democratic win. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #23
We shouldn't, but we can. MineralMan Nov 2020 #7
Which is why we do it now. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #8
Setting up a Democratic White House and MineralMan Nov 2020 #11
We always leave reforming democracy till last. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #15
And yet, we have Joe Biden. MineralMan Nov 2020 #17
If we are going stick the knife into NH My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #18
Not now. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #25
If not now, when? My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #27
We have way more important priorities...like the GA race. Let's get on with Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #29
Repeating myself My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #33
Amen Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2020 #9
Let 'em be first... SidDithers Nov 2020 #12
The media won't discount them. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #19
The only solution is a national primary PSPS Nov 2020 #14
Iowa and New Hampshire do not represent the base of the party Gothmog Nov 2020 #20
Rotate the stinking primary schedule JCMach1 Nov 2020 #24
I think there should be four regional primaries on a rotating schedule as to who's first. Sogo Nov 2020 #31
Nevada would be a good place to start DrToast Nov 2020 #32

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
26. You are correct!
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:56 PM
Nov 2020

Perfect comparison!

By the way: I applaud all of the Democratic primary rivals who (somewhat) simultaneously withdrew and ended their campaigns.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
2. I think South Carolina should be added, Iowa needs to go and CT would be a very good alternative.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:19 AM
Nov 2020

Have the first Primaries on the same day. We keep Nevada.

Turin_C3PO

(13,896 posts)
13. California and New York
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:43 AM
Nov 2020

might also be good states to go first. They're very diverse and represent our party well. Even Florida would work.

Turin_C3PO

(13,896 posts)
28. True.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

New Mexico is pretty diverse and it would be cheap. Plus the Dems there are kind of in the middle between centrist and left so a good candidate could emerge.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
22. And consider such big states would likely have lead to a Sanders nomination. And he would
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:54 PM
Nov 2020

not have been able to win back the blue states. We need first states that help field candidates who have a shot at winning.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
4. The NH Secretary of State
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
Nov 2020

Has vowed the NH would remain the first primary.

Of course, that can get very weird as other states move theirs up.

I would be happy with maybe 4-6 primary dates. Mix of larger and smaller states.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
5. Agreed....Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin should be the first 3.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:33 AM
Nov 2020

Then have an east coast swing, followed by a west coast.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
16. I agree.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:45 AM
Nov 2020

I'd prefer to start with the "blue wall" states, rather than some states that are virtually guaranteed to vote strongly Republican or Democratic in a general election anyway.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
11. Setting up a Democratic White House and
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:40 AM
Nov 2020

undoing the evil Trump did is going to come first. We're not going to start reconfiguring the 2024 primary structure for a while. There's a lot of far more important things to do right now.

I don't know about you, but I'm in no position to affect how the parties do their primaries. Maybe you're in some sort of position in the DNC where you can do that. I don't know.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,176 posts)
15. We always leave reforming democracy till last.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:45 AM
Nov 2020

May I remind you that IA, NH would have set us up for Trump v Sanders.

Electoral reform must be a priority.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
17. And yet, we have Joe Biden.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:47 AM
Nov 2020

Those two early primaries no longer have the clout they once did. Will the process be changed? I have no idea and, as I said, I'm in no position to demand changes. Are you? If so, then have at it.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,176 posts)
18. If we are going stick the knife into NH
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

tis' best that it be quickly done

I bear New Hampshire no enmity. I have fond memories of contests gone by, but the demographics are so unrepresentative of America to today, it has to go.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,176 posts)
27. If not now, when?
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:59 PM
Nov 2020

3 months before the midterms? It should coincide with voting rights reform - and that should be in the first 100 days.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
9. Amen
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:39 AM
Nov 2020

My choices:
1) National primary
2) Larger, more diverse states, like Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania.

The caucus process needs to end. Period.

If we want to end the Electoral College, let's start by allowing popular vote count - not delegates - to pick our nominee.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
12. Let 'em be first...
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:41 AM
Nov 2020

Just don't treat them as important.

If the 2020 primaries and election showed anything, it's that Iowa and NH have no bearing on the real outcome.

Sid

PSPS

(13,577 posts)
14. The only solution is a national primary
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:44 AM
Nov 2020

Letting rural sparsely-populated states set the tone and agenda doesn't make any sense.

Gothmog

(144,890 posts)
20. Iowa and New Hampshire do not represent the base of the party
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:55 AM
Nov 2020

Their role in Democratic primaries are over

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
31. I think there should be four regional primaries on a rotating schedule as to who's first.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:24 PM
Nov 2020

The candidates could travel at less expense within a concentrated region rather than jetting off to far flung states all the time, and many more people would get the chance to meet them up close and in-person as we do in the first two states. I'm in Iowa, and I really don't feel it's fair that we have such prolonged exposure to the candidates, while other states barely meet them, if at all, and have to rely on media and social media coverage of them.



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