Trump came close to being reelected.

[RDANGELO]

We should let this be a reminder of what an individual leader with no conscience, who would continuously and blatantly lie, can accomplish and what damage they can do.

[marybourg]

1. Well we knew that, but we were told "it can't happen here".

We also liked to think we’re “exceptional”.

[dustyscamp]

19. 1+

Ignorant people are going to trash this thread

[ZZenith]

2. I'm not likely to forget anytime soon.

[msongs]

3. 70 mil support serial lying, sexual assault, women hating, gay bashing nt

[still_one]

4. That fact is extremely alarming, and this election has bought us time to take that warning seriously

and start registering new voters, making voting easier, and getting people out to vote to prevent this from being repeated

[Thekaspervote]

5. NO..he didn't..this goes to the trash bin!

[Celerity]

23. actually yes he did, switch 47K votes (atm, obviously we do not have the final tallies) & Trump wins

switch 73K (atm) and he wins outright, without the House having to elect him





switch 82K (atm) and he wins outright, without the House having to elect him

[Skittles]

29. more proof the Electoral College is BULLSHIT

it really needs go to

[Celerity]

31. the small states will never give it up, the Interstate Voting Compact will be ruled unconstitutional

even IF it got a couple Red states to sign on, which will not happen.

The ONLY way to semi-fix the EC is too vastly expand the House, to say 2,001 members and then more equitably distribute the resultant EV's. It only takes an Act of Congress, not a Constitutional Amendment like doing away the EC.. We have been stick at basically the same number since 1913, when the population was only 97 million. It is closing in on 332 million now.

If we had the same amount of House members as the UK House of Commons does, when adjusted for population, our House would have over 3,200 members. Compared to the German Bundestag, we would have over 2,800. If compared to Denmark and Norway, we would have over 10,000 House members, and compared to Sweden, over 12,000.

The next time we control Congress (hopefully after the 2 GA run offs, but if not, then 2022 when we should gain 3 to 6 next Senate seats (barring the 1st term POTUS's first midterm issues) we need to do this, plus expand the SCOTUS to 15 (and thus resore our 3 vote majority we would have had had not the Rethugs stolen the last 3 seats).

Will it happen?

Probably not, due to power greed. The 435 House members will not willingly agree to dilute their own individual power by adding 1,566 new House members (I think most will bulk at even doing the thoroughly inadequate Wyoming Rule, tbh).

I also do not think that even IF we had a 53-47 Senate Majority after the 2020 election that we would have expanded the SCOTUS, nor expanded the federal lower courts, nor did away with the filibuster, nor would we have even passed the Public Option. Even at 53 or 54 Dems, the votes are not there for any of it from all that I have seen (maybe the lower federal courts could have expanded), and I have dug pretty damn deep on this all. Hell, even adding DC as a state would have been a huge argument I fear.

[Volaris]

34. I think it should just be the case that each House Member can represent 10000 people MAX.

As the population increases, so does the number of reps...every 10 years after new census data, the number would change.

Additionally, I think we need a federal law that says if you haven't lived in a district for at least 5 years, you CANNOT be elected to rep that district.

The house is supposed to be ground-level representation of We The People, to the federal government. Pretty sure if we actually did that, we would get some shit changed for the better.

[Celerity]

36. that's too many in the House, 1 per 10 thousand pops yields 33,000 or so members in the House

[Volaris]

39. Ya that is the math, isnt it?

The entire institution would have to be virtual at that point lol.

I guess that now that I'm thinking about it, you could move those numbers by a factor of 10 and make it work...100k per rep seems like a lot numerically, but geographically it really isnt, given average population density?...

[abqtommy]

35. Well said!

[Cha]

6. Yes, close but thankfully

no fuckin cigar.

And, yes it's Unfathomable that they are so many in the Bloody cult.

WE got damn Lucky with Biden & Harris and all our Dems Working to help win back Democracy.

And, TLP & Repubs for Biden!

[Ponietz]

7. Facts are facts

🙈🙉🙊 is denialism

[vlyons]

8. It doesn't help that 25% of US high school students drop out

This is a disgusting percentage. Is it any wonder that Americans poo-poo science. Do they even know what the scientific method is? Is civics still taught in high school?

[BannonsLiver]

9. This will be how it is for years to come

Unless another political talent like Obama comes around. We should expect our elections to look a lot more like 2000, 2004 and 2020 than 2008 and 2012 when it comes to how the EC shakes out. That’s the reality of the divided country we live in.

[benld74]

10. I'll wait in the election forensics to come out

2016 was fishy to some
Forensics showed some fishier stuff
Actual numbers per county, number voters etc
Hackers at play

IMHOP

Similar findings this time around

[Captain Zero]

32. A couple math professors at Univ of Kansas have been finding anomalies

in past elections that always favor republicans.
I am hoping they plan a study of the swing states in this election.
We might find out it was not close.

[coti]

11. Meh, it honestly wasn't that close. nt

[RDANGELO]

14. It shouldn't have been as close as it was.

He was a terrible human being with bad judgement who is perhaps responsible for thousands of deaths because of his handling of the pandemic.

[Celerity]

33. yes it was (so far)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214510914#post23

[In It to Win It]

20. Moreso, his handling of the virus

I think had he actually gave a shit and been effective at handling COVID, he probably would have been cruising to re-election.

[appalachiablue]

13. When a country doesn't have a robust middle class,

strong democratic institutions and a balanced media it can turn towards authoritarianism, demagogues and corruption.

[RDANGELO]

15. I agree that that is a factor also.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

22. I might add: a well-educated middle class.

The GOP has worked to destroy both basic well-rounded education and middle-class economic status for the benefit of business interests.

KY...........

[appalachiablue]

24. Yes, I thought about adding education which

has taken a bad turn here in more recent decades. The lack of civics and govt. ed especially.

[betsuni]

16. And that 2016 wasn't about economic insecurity or Hillary being a flawed candidate

or how many rallies or the Democratic Party ignoring anyone.

[brush]

17. We got lucky with the Biden/Harris ticket. They ran a good campaign...

but a smarter wannabe fascist might've pulled it off as repugs keep smearing us as socialist. And the fact that two prominent Dems, Sanders and AOC, call themselves democratic socialist is all they need to mention to scare millions of voters.

Thank God trump is a cunning but dumb narcissist.

[Demovictory9]

18. and he was elected in 2016 despite being a lying racist bigot

[KY_EnviroGuy]

21. There should be a continuing effort to call out tRump's past lies and deceptions.

Good ammo for our canons going forward and there's plenty of it.

Make Republicans eat his shit forever.......

[Earthshine2]

25. I think that Trump would have won re-election if it wasn't for COVID.

If he didn't scare and piss off senior citizens with his pandemic malfeasance, we'd be heading deep into autocracy right now.

Half this country would let it happen.

[Brainfodder]

26. Too many ignoramuses will believe anything their leadership says without question?

Some will even act on that belief no matter how obvious to us that it's malarkey?

Referring to arguing amongst democrats as at each other's throats, is probably not helpful either?

Softer more accurate choices of words are better?

"Democrats are working together through these difficulties on a plan for all Americans."

[BainsBane]

27. It's frightening

and says something truly disturbing about our country.

[Jamaal510]

28. Over 70M

have voted for him, despite all the chaos under his watch. If he hadn't completely mishandled the pandemic, I could easily see him winning. It worked out for us (politically) that he's such an idiot. This isn't to take anything from Biden--he ran a damn good campaign and has arguably the most progressive platform out of any of our nominees in history, but there are a lot of bigots and straight-up suckers in this country--and from different walks of life. For example, I couldn't believe that 45's votes among Black people increased this time. He did virtually nothing for us, and he has regularly slammed the BLM movement while defending White supremacists, yet he did better among us than either McCain, GWB, or Romney did. It defies logic. Much of it probably boils down to the misinformation out there, whether it's online, via the radio, or on TV.

[Jspur]

30. It didn't surprise me why he did better among black voters. It had a lot to do

with the black social media presence of guys like Tariq Nasheed that keep tearing down the democratic party. I have followed these type of guys for the last 8 years. Their messaging is basically the democratic party is evil and they are the reason why the black community is divided and destroyed. One of the arguments I have heard is them stating liberalism has destroyed the black family encouraging feminism which has resulted in single moms, and a gender war within the black community. It's going to be hard for the democrats to repair that rift. They are going to have to do something for the black community to squash these guys messaging because if they don't it gives credibility to what these guys are saying about the democrats not caring.

[Yeehah]

37. Fascism is right around the corner for the USA

We're already at war but we don't know it.

[JI7]

38. Becsuse they had a ground campaign.