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(34,195 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:19 AM Nov 2020

Democratic Whip James Clyburn: 'Defund the police' cost Democrats seats, hurt Black Lives Matter mov

Democratic Whip James Clyburn: 'Defund the police' cost Democrats seats, hurt Black Lives Matter movement

House Majority Whip James Clyburn criticized calls to "defund the police" during several media appearances on Sunday, saying that the phrase hurt Democratic congressional candidates and could potentially derail the Black Lives Matter movement. Clyburn said on CNN's "State of the Union" that he'd spoken with the late Rep. John Lewis about the phrase this summer, the two concluding "that it had the possibilities of doing to the Black Lives Matter movement and current movements across the country what 'Burn, baby, burn' did to us back in 1960."

Clyburn, a prominent student activist during the civil rights movement who has ascended to become the nation's most powerful Black legislator, has repeatedly denounced calls to "defund the police" as "sloganeering" that harms the overall cause of the Black Lives Matter movement. Clyburn cited calls to "defund the police" as a reason why Democrats lost races for Congress in the election, saying "these headlines can kill a political effort." I really believe that that's what cost Joe Cunningham his seat," Clyburn said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" as to why the freshman Democratic congressman lost his bid for reelection. Cunningham's Republican challenger, Nancy Mace, ran Facebook ads calling to "defend, not defund the police," attempting to tie Cunningham to the phrase.

Clyburn's comments also come alongside a broader Democratic reckoning about why the party underperformed expectations in races across the country. The anger among House Democrats came to a boil during a private caucus call on Thursday where some members insisted that calls to "defund the police" and attacks tying Democrats to "socialism" cost several members their seats in Congress.

Clyburn, who played a major role in changing the trajectory of President-elect Joe Biden's campaign during the Democratic primary, has been an advocate for a more compromising approach to politics that he believes would better enable progressive change. "I feel very strongly we can't pick up these things just because it makes a good headline," Clyburn warned. "It sometimes destroys headway. We need to work on what makes headway, rather than what makes headlines."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-whip-james-clyburn-defund-235728138.html

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Democratic Whip James Clyburn: 'Defund the police' cost Democrats seats, hurt Black Lives Matter mov (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Nov 2020 OP
Phrases like "defund the police" onlyadream Nov 2020 #1
"Defund police" worst name ever. It just does not say what we meant and what a lot of ... marble falls Nov 2020 #2
Already being discussed here wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #3
The hug? TwilightZone Nov 2020 #5
What is killing us wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #11
Cool ! But that's just a tweet. left-of-center2012 Nov 2020 #7
Shhhhh BeyondGeography Nov 2020 #8
Clyburn thinks we can appoint a Black woman Supreme Court justice wellst0nev0ter Nov 2020 #12
I agree. It was bad sloganeering. n/t CousinIT Nov 2020 #4
Really looking forward to seeing some bombproof slogans that Republicans can't possibly spin for WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #6
"Energy Independence" 4Q2u2 Nov 2020 #13
I said bombproof. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #15
Yeah, totally agree. In fact I still dont get the actual meaning of that phrase. honest.abe Nov 2020 #9
No doubt. Terrible marketing for an even worse idea. SKKY Nov 2020 #10
How the FUCK are you gonna stop LIARS from using LIES in their political ads???????? Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #14
Epic Reply!!! You should make this it's own post. wcast Nov 2020 #16
Thank you Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #19
Don't bang your head too hard. theaocp Nov 2020 #17
"If they had any decency, they wouldn't be Republicans" Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #20
Not so sure Clyburn is exactly the exponent of party messaging MadLinguist Nov 2020 #18

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
1. Phrases like "defund the police"
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:24 AM
Nov 2020

Need to be created with GREAT care and thought. IMO, this was gasoline for a burning fire. Moderates didn’t like it. “Reform the Police” is more palatable and is what should be done. Dems need to start thinking like the republicans when it comes to messaging.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
2. "Defund police" worst name ever. It just does not say what we meant and what a lot of ...
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

police believe to be right, too. We spend too much money for police doing jobs they are not trained to do: social work, drug counseling, mental health work.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
3. Already being discussed here
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:28 AM
Nov 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214508433

And "defund the police" didn't blunt Jaime Harris's momentum in the summer, but the confirmation of Barrett and Diane Feinstein's stupid hug did.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
5. The hug?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:31 AM
Nov 2020

lol, no.

A hug the vast majority of voters didn't see and wouldn't care about was more influential in the election than a slogan that was front-and-center in at least half of GOP ads?

Sure it was.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
11. What is killing us
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:40 AM
Nov 2020

Is the mainstream Democrat's cavalier attitude toward breaking bread with goops, and basic on-the-ground infrastructure that has yet to be addressed at this late date.

But yeah, blame the dirtbag left.


BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
8. Shhhhh
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

All bad outcomes were the left’s fault. They had nothing to do with the quality of individual candidates and/or our congressional leaders. I mean, look how long Jim Clyburn has been around. Like he doesn’t know everything there is to know about everything?

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
13. "Energy Independence"
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:44 AM
Nov 2020

An oldie but a goodie.

"Criminal Justice Accountability"
"Civic Realignment"

"American Economic Progress"

honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
9. Yeah, totally agree. In fact I still dont get the actual meaning of that phrase.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:37 AM
Nov 2020

It should have been "reform the police" which everyone would understand.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
14. How the FUCK are you gonna stop LIARS from using LIES in their political ads????????
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:52 AM
Nov 2020

Tommy Tubbyville ran countless ads in Alabama. Every one of them was FILLED with lies. He didn't have a single ad with any truth in it.
So, someone explain to me how WE, as Democrats, are supposed to fight that.

Do we spend our entire budget debunking LIES?

The "Defund the Police" was NOT a Democratic Platform, but if you listened to the repugs (and some democrats) it was ALL we ran on.

edit to add: Just who is the WE Rep. Clyburn? "I feel very strongly we can't pick up these things just because it makes a good headline,"

wcast

(595 posts)
16. Epic Reply!!! You should make this it's own post.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:24 AM
Nov 2020

Republicans always spout lies and misinformation. Like Harris is the most liberal member of the senate. Give me a break.

And now Clyburn is saying defund the police hurt BLM?! No amount of protest is okay for Republicans and a large majority of white America. Sitting at lunch counter, call in dogs and fire hoses. Register to vote, kill organizers. Kneel at a football game, conspire to keep a quarterback from playing in the NFL.

No Republican, or right leaning independent, heard defund the police and thought, up until that moment I really supported BLM.

Anyway, great response.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
17. Don't bang your head too hard.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:00 PM
Nov 2020

You're 110% correct. We may as well make everyone socialist. They are, anyway, by the broadest definition, but we're lying as needed, so whatever. Time to learn how to attack Republicans, Dems. It sucks that we have to keep sliming them, but here we are. Fuck Republicans. If they had any decency, they wouldn't be Republicans.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
18. Not so sure Clyburn is exactly the exponent of party messaging
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:21 PM
Nov 2020

Grateful for his electoral help, but he if he were so concerned about the interpretation of party direction, he could help craft the narrative, rather than all that 15th hour slinging


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