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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:59 AM Nov 2020

WATCH: Pro-Trump 'Stop the Steal' protesters baffled when shown they've been suckered by the preside

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/watch-pro-trump-stop-the-steal-protesters-baffled-when-shown-theyve-been-suckered-by-the-president/

In a CNN piece on the “Stop the Steal” movement made up of Donald Trump supporters who believe the election is being stolen, fans of the president were either baffled or dismissive when presented with evidence that they were regurgitating baseless conspiracy theories.

In the clip, filmed at a “Stop the Steal” protest in Pennsylvania, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan pressed supporters of the president on why they believe the election is being stolen that led one woman to tell him, “Go, I don’t even want to talk to you!” when he disagreed with her.

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Discussing a video that went viral which showed sample ballots being destroyed, Melissa refused to believe election officials who confirmed the clip was being misrepresented on social media, telling O’Sullivan they are lying, “But wouldn’t they, though? That’s the thing — question everything, right?

Another man, who was not identified, admitted, “Me, I’m very thorough with the information I look at. I have my opinions obviously, but I’m not just going to go around retweeting blatantly false information or things I believe that are — I look at things that are suspicious.”

More at link, including video clip.
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WATCH: Pro-Trump 'Stop the Steal' protesters baffled when shown they've been suckered by the preside (Original Post) SheltieLover Nov 2020 OP
Magats and their "research" C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #1
Comedy writers must be envious of these scripts SheltieLover Nov 2020 #2
My family magats bring research from "World Net Daily" Cracklin Charlie Nov 2020 #7
That's a tall order, Newest Reality Nov 2020 #3
They wouldn't recognize real evidence if it Grammy23 Nov 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2020 #5
Thanks for posting this FreeState Nov 2020 #8
Incredible PatSeg Nov 2020 #10
if you go to the very end, starting at 4:52 or so, the MAGAT woman makes a valid point BUT she also Celerity Nov 2020 #6
I thought that "question everything" was part of the "critical thinking" dogma of current education? Klaralven Nov 2020 #9
I had forgotten that "critcal thinking" Progressive dog Nov 2020 #11
That should have gone over well with the tech community in Austin Klaralven Nov 2020 #15
they do not question everything though, only things that are not to their liking Celerity Nov 2020 #12
As Carl Sagan said, NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #13
Excellent quote! Klaralven Nov 2020 #16
No danger. Magats are hardly known for a high degree of openness on Big Five SheltieLover Nov 2020 #19
Critical thinking (also known as reflective thinking) has long been part of American education usajumpedtheshark Nov 2020 #17
The issue may be too much emphasis on textual analysis and reasoning Klaralven Nov 2020 #18
Agreed. usajumpedtheshark Nov 2020 #20
This ezgoingrl Nov 2020 #14

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. My family magats bring research from "World Net Daily"
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:31 PM
Nov 2020

Then they get mad when I laugh.

No pleasin’ these people.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. That's a tall order,
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:04 PM
Nov 2020

Question everything falls apart logically for me because you would then question questioning everything since it is an all-inclusive phrase.

It's like: How do we know that anything at all is true?

Well, how do you know that the words you string together to say that have any meaning or validity at all? I mean, be thorough here

When people go there, that's the end of the discussion for me. It is a dip into the snuff can of absurdity. Even Buddhism has what is called "valid cognition".

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
4. They wouldn't recognize real evidence if it
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

Came up and bit them on the ass. They have a mindset and search until they find something to match it. tRump and his henchmen are only so happy to supply them with “evidence”. It will take lots of deprogrammers and psychologists to help these people out of their quicksand of delusion.

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PatSeg

(47,368 posts)
10. Incredible
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:51 PM
Nov 2020

Some of them say things that make sense, but the way they apply that information is bizarre. Interesting how many of them say that they get their info from numerous sources and they question everything before accepting it. Its almost like they accept something first and then find a narrative to confirm it.

Celerity

(43,265 posts)
6. if you go to the very end, starting at 4:52 or so, the MAGAT woman makes a valid point BUT she also
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

seems to be clueless still

(she said that social media is driving the divisions by feeding people only viewpoints that they want to hear)


the rest of the video was so depressing

these fuckers are completely snapped off from the truth

are so undereducated, lack even basic critical thinking skills

and someday, many may violently rebel, given the right inputs to trigger them to kinetic action

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
9. I thought that "question everything" was part of the "critical thinking" dogma of current education?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:42 PM
Nov 2020

It has now been weaponized by Qanon.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
11. I had forgotten that "critcal thinking"
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

includes the "question everything" unthinking garbage. I thought you might enjoy this link about a "question everything" conference.
https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/06/question-everything-2020-conference-austin-tx-7-8-november-2020/

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
15. That should have gone over well with the tech community in Austin
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020
Dr. Katherine Horton, Oxford particle physicist, who has been leading a legal challenge to the use of directed-energy devises to torment and terrorize “enemies of the state”.


That looked particularly interesting.

Alas, I don't want to travel, so have to make do with the History Channel. The 2-hour season premier of "The Curse of Oak Island" is tomorrow night.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
19. No danger. Magats are hardly known for a high degree of openness on Big Five
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:53 PM
Nov 2020

But a great quote! Ty for sharing!

usajumpedtheshark

(672 posts)
17. Critical thinking (also known as reflective thinking) has long been part of American education
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:24 PM
Nov 2020

Tracing back John Dewey (1910), the goal of critical thinking is to have a coherent approach to examining a belief or fact with careful consideration of the evidence that supports it. It does not mean that you question everything and it certainly doesn't mean that you accept whatever you are being told by one side while ignoring all other sources of information. In many ways, critical thinking is related to scientific reasoning and approaches to medical diagnostics.

Internationally, American education has been praised for emphasizing thinking. There are still countries in which education involves the passive accumulative of information for regurgitation on high stakes tests. There is a whole industry of cram schools to help these students prepare for these kinds of tests.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
18. The issue may be too much emphasis on textual analysis and reasoning
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:36 PM
Nov 2020

Lots of things require quantitative methods, mathematics, probability and statistics, pattern recognition, etc.

Too much logic chopping on words leads to Qanon type stuff.

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