WTF....I mean.... white women....WTAF!!

[albacore]

55% of white women voters voted for trump this election.
That's more than the 52% of white women voters who voted for trump in 2016.
WTF... just WTF!?

I - foolishly - expected that white women would see trump's misogyny, his hatred of ANYthing that women seem to value, and his boorishness, and reject him soundly.
Am I such an idealist and feminist supporter that I don't recognize that white women can vote against their own interests... even when it's so blatant?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/?fbclid=IwAR2b_wJZjMElGlW5maj-983DmeCnUl6P-R33lJz8HhjMSaXxnjYCXhBV_Kc#fullresults-president?itid=lk_inline_manual_20

[still_one]

1. not in California

[TwilightZone]

6. There's more to the election than CA.

[still_one]

30. I know. My point was that I suspect most blue states reflected that also

[Cirque du So-What]

10. I wish they all could be California...voters

[treestar]

86. +1

Biden got 64%. The only state going higher for Biden was Vermont! Correction : MA even higher than VT!

[bleedingulcers]

2. I share your horror....

I'd change my gender and/or my race if I thought such a thing possible. Such a sad state of affairs....

[Boogiemack]

79. You mean you never saw those photos of white women standing by the hanging tree holding

the hands of their small children? Too horrible to post but check out the Internet. Many are as hateful as their hooded husbands.

[treestar]

87. 45% went for Biden

that's not a teeny percentage and makes up a good part of his victory.

[Beakybird]

3. Is this exit poll data? Could be skewed.

[albacore]

84. It's comparing apples to apples. Exit polling data from 2016 to 2020...

It's certainly possible that both are skewed, but 90% (Gallup) of Republican women approved of trump before the election, and since white Republican women vote Republican, so it seems reasonable that they voted for trump.
94% of black women voted for Biden.
Evangelical women... Republicans all...went big for trump, and evangelicals are 25% of Christians.

OK... it might be skewed, but it's certainly logical. Numerically logical, that is.
Why would ANY woman vote for that misogynist asshole, I have no idea.

[BusyBeingBest]

4. I wouldn't put any stock in exit polls this time around.

Very different Election Day circumstances.

[getagrip_already]

5. threaten to abolish the police - bad things happen... n/t

[maxsolomon]

47. Who "threatened" to do that? Joe Biden?

I don't remember that speech.

Abolish, Defund, De-militarize, Reform, De-escalate, all are imperfect terms for the type of re-imagining, re-conceptualizing of what America needs in Public Safety. Bottom line, we need less people, less Black and Brown people in particular, summarily and extrajudicially executed by Police gunfire.

It's time for the critics of "Abolish" or "Defund" to propose better terms instead of just carping about what protestors and academics and progressive Congress members who cannot enact major policy shifts said. Protestors and academics and progressive Congress members who have an actual point that White People don't want to listen to.

[getagrip_already]

74. just google it...

Very prominent dems said it. I'm not going into it. Let's just say it's not a rwtp.

You can also ask james clyburn. Hardly a rw'r.

[maxsolomon]

76. I don't need to "Google it", I already conceded that activists and Progressive Dems said it.

Last edited Mon Nov 9, 2020, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)

But neither Biden nor Harris said it, and neither Biden nor Harris supported it.

I said it, and I believe it needs to happen, but I also know it's not going to happen.

[getagrip_already]

77. And my point...

Is that it is an extremely not smart thing to say during a national election. While it might play well in certain corners or our party, it does not play well in most of america.

It was a feel good blast of anger. I get that. But next time we need to choose our words to what we mean, not what the rw will twist them into.

If you really want to abolish the police, then by all means use the phrase. If you mean de-militarize, or reform hiring/training/policy, then say that instead.

I fully support de-militarizing police. I fully support changing hiring criteria to get more level headed recruits, change how they are trained to react to both force and resistance, and change how incidents are handled up to and including termination and prosecution. fwiw.

[treestar]

88. Those who did do it hurt the Dems overall

Of course the media helps. Not like their extremists hurt them.

[maxsolomon]

94. When the Floyd Protests started,

BLM activists had other concerns on their minds than crafting Centrist messaging that comforted White Women.

For instance: Black Lives Mattering.

[treestar]

96. Well surely they don't want Dotard re-elected

And their slogan did them no good either.

I'll pass on your snotty comments.

[Celerity]

56. Is that the 2020 version of 2016's 'they are the economically left behind' excuse made to deflect

from the reality that the majority of white US female voters are racist and/or support racists?

[uponit7771]

58. rwtp doesn't belong here

[maxsolomon]

80. "RWTP"?

Right Wing Talking Points?

[treestar]

89. Yes. And it's silly, didn't Clyburn say that?

So it's hardly a right wing TP

[Steelrolled]

7. Compartmentalization

[Bettie]

8. I hoped so as well

turns out, the majority of white women are just as awful as white men.

I should have expected it, given my evangelical relatives and their hatred for anything approaching decency and kindness.

[Resistance1]

9. They in essence approve of his behavior

But only if it doesn't happen to them. Sad

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Fuck 'um.

Makes everything they say under the concept of fear, more suspect. What can you conclude, here? That they fear socialism more than they fear misogyny?

[Nimble_Idea]

93. misogyny?

Would anyone know that big word?

All I know is, a great many heard about the invasion of the suburbs. And then rump asked politely for suburban women to like him....and they did. That's all it took.

[Kali]

12. almost half the voters in this country

[Spazito]

13. Exit polls for this election...

are questionable this election due to the overwhelming number of mail in ballots, imo.

[Johnny2X2X]

20. Was about to post this

Exit polls in the traditional sense are meaningless this election.

[Spazito]

25. Yes, nothing about this election is traditional...

The Washington Post clarifies in their article that the numbers are preliminary which means they will continue to change using their methodology which, imo, has limited viability.

[smirkymonkey]

57. Also, weren't the majority of those who voted in person republican? Most Democrats either

voted early or voted by mail/absentee. I would think that would skew the results a bit.

[Spazito]

64. Exactly...

The very nature of how people voted in this election makes the exit polls' accuracy very much in question, imo.

[albacore]

95. Read my post... #84. This isn't about exit polls alone. nt

[treestar]

97. Yes, it will be a long time before these numbers can be really known

Making some of the remarks likely one day irrelevant.

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Is this out of people who voted in person on Election Day? I need more information. n/t

[Act_of_Reparation]

15. Voters are not rational actors.

It's high time we accepted this.

[Walleye]

26. True. We think if we just explain things to them they'll see the light and accept it

It’s like trying to convince a woman to break up with an abusive boyfriend.

[Polly Hennessey]

16. Stop trying.

Those are the women you will never reach. To be honest, I am convinced they are not worth our time. They see the world through their white husband’s eyes. Don’t count on or try to change them, it won’t work. I know because I have two in my family.

[BKDem]

17. Let's face it.

We live among people very poor judgement. Millions of them.

[Walleye]

18. They will be sorry when they see how their sons turn out with this kind of example we've been living

[onecaliberal]

19. What the fuck is wrong with my gender and race?

[maxsolomon]

48. Subconscious fear

and an information bubble that excludes facts.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. "I don't recognize that white women can vote against their own interests."

White women who vote for Trump are voting for their own interests, it's just that you are expecting their interests to be something else. Many white women have found that it's easier to give up gender solidarity than white supremacy.

[we can do it]

22. Not me.

[japple]

23. Evangelical protestant women is my guess. They voted against a woman's right to choose.

eom

[Mariana]

42. He got a high proportion of Catholic voters, too.

Not a majority of them like he did with the Protestants, but still a lot.

[maxsolomon]

50. He got my Catholic cousins

Bottom line: Abortion.

[yardwork]

73. I agree that's a big part of it.

I know some of them. Mealy mouthed "Christians" who want everyone to think they're "nice."

[treestar]

98. There are also Catholics so obsessed by this

that they know they are otherwise voting against their own interests. They can't get past this. Though they don't even need the Dotard to continue to be President as they have the court 6-3.

[Sogo]

24. Being a white woman, I believe this is evidence that the vote was hacked.

I just don't believe that statistic!

There are so many women who have experienced a-holes like Trump in their lives - profession, home, socially, organizations - that I'm sure they would not vote for them!

[Iwasthere]

38. Finally! I can't believe this thread grew this long before your sane response se

A month ago reports were clearly showing Biden's support from those very same woman.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

52. White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952.

[uponit7771]

59. THANK YOU !!! See the polling thread (link inside)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214512051

Its either polling should NEVER EVER be believed in the US again without major reform

or

The voting machines were way the hell off but Trump couldn't overcome the juggernaut of votes


You're braver than I am

[Cairycat]

27. In Iowa

All the R's ads hit on fear of rioting really hard, not just Trump's ads but our congressional races too. That may have overcome any disgust with his misogyny.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952.

[greennewdeal350]

71. The Exit Polling Was Done via Landline-Based Phone Interviews

Statistically, landliners tend to be older. New exit polling needs to be done that polls cellphone-equipped, white women who each mailed or dropped off their paper ballot. Getting that cellphone-based calling list is the challenge.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

72. Okay but in a historic context it's utterly unsurprising, I'm saying.

[Peregrine Took]

29. Law and order pushed them over.

The rioting and looting pushed two of my friends to trump.

Both are older suburban grandmothers who aren't ordinarily political at all but those night time videos that ran so much on cable news frightened them right into the trump camp.

[MaryMagdaline]

31. White women are not voting against their own interests.

They are keeping themselves, their white husbands, and their white children, on top. WW (like me) have benefitted greatly from affirmative action, and once the doors opened, they slammed the doors right behind them.
Trust me, they assume since I’m white, that I’m one of them. Not a single one will use the N word, but the conversation always gets around to Affirmative Action and how their white children will lose out in the job market because of “diversity.” Poll the word “diversity” in the suburbs and see the psychotic reactions that will flow.
White Women are damn good at pretend virtue. See Susan Collins.

[redstatebluegirl]

32. There are a lot of women, especially evangelical women, who vote the way their husbands tell them to

I see it down here in Oklahoma all the time. The obey thing is really strong with some people.

[LizBeth]

33. I have heard this all over the place and waiting for the numbers. I heard POC overwhelmingly came

out Biden then yesterday read they did not hit HRC numbers, so though these initial numbers are disappointing, I will wait and see.

[Squinch]

34. Exit polls don't include the vast masses of people who voted by mail.

I'll believe this statistic when it is based on something more dependable than an exit poll.

[Demsrule86]

35. Trashing this divisive thread.

[peggysue2]

36. Think I'm going to wait for a full and complete analyses of the poll results

The initial information also claimed 18% of the AA male community voted for Trump and that a 4% shift was noted (4%-8%) in black women. That just sounds hinky to me. I may be proven wrong but I'm willing to wait for additional analysts weighing in.

[BainsBane]

37. 58% of white men supported Trump

According to that same exit poll. Yet somehow white men love nothing more than to blame white women. This is an old story that we heard endlessly from white men in 2016, despite the fact their margins for Trump were far greater.

White people in general vote Republican. Fortunately, a sizable minority of us don't.

[H2O Man]

39. Since so many votes

were cast by way of mail, one should not take this seriously.

[Greybnk48]

40. Only 4 of every 10 white voters vote for a Democrat.

That's according to someone on MSNBC. No wonder the repukes fear minorities, that are soon to be the majority.

Did anyone else hear this last week?

[AnyFunctioningAdult]

41. Please stop throwing people in buckets.

Everyone is an individual, thanks.

[Mariana]

43. They aren't voting against their own interests.

Their interests clearly aren't what you think they are.

[jalan48]

44. Meh. My identify group is better than your identity group.

[greennewdeal350]

45. Maybe This is Vote Rigging in Disguise?

I posted about this already. It is incredible.



Watch this and be even more incensed:

www.democracynow.org/2020/11/5/2020_election_ballots_electoral_college

[WhiskeyGrinder]

49. White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952.

[uponit7771]

61. +1, there's no doubt somethings wrong

[BainsBane]

46. Are these day of exit polls?

If so, they miss the great majority of Democratic votes.

But don't let that stop you from seizing the opportunity to attack white women, who--according to this exit poll-- voted GOP at a lower percentage than white men. I've seen this game before, and it couldn't be more transparent.

[aidbo]

51. White women are white and they benefit from institutional racism.

[kcr]

53. It's a worthless exit poll

Calm down.

[BGBD]

55. This

We are a ways from knowing exactly how groups voted.

[uponit7771]

62. why? tia

[kcr]

65. Why?

Because first of all, exit polls are generally unreliable. Second, this is particularly true this time around with so many votes by mail.

[uponit7771]

66. " Because first of all, exit polls are generally unreliable" This is false elsewhere in world ...

... no other country puts up with bad polling in their country for this long tilted towards one party.

In America polling is earth splitting horrible elsewhere its pretty reliable.

This is a water is wet point of fact

[kcr]

68. The fact it's false elsewhere in the world

doesn't change the fact it's true here.

[SMC22307]

54. "Defund the police" hosed us...

no matter who did or didn't say it. Republicans played it to death in their attack ads with images of American cities burning.

[UCmeNdc]

60. Something is wrong with the counting of the votes.

Voters votes are being flipped.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

63. Evidence?

[greennewdeal350]

67. A U S. post office (in TN) was broken into (4x) Just Before Election Day

Maybe mail-in ballots were stolen and then fake exit polling fabricated to cover the theft. Maybe vote tabulator computers were rigged. Those systems wirelessly communicate with electronic voting machines. Forensics must be performed...and soon. Focus groups contradict the white women voting block claim. That should be investigated as well.

[mathematic]

69. To those rejecting this: white men were 58%

Do you reject that result too? Or just the 55% result for white women? These numbers are essentially the same. Slightly more than half of all white men and women supported trump.

If you do reject the exit poll result then where did trumps votes come from? He got the 2nd most votes in history in the highest turnout election in 120 years (according to election night estimates).

No, the answer is white people love trump. There is virtually no difference between white men and white women in their support for trump. Stop trying to give white women a pass for their trump support.

White women that support trump are not voting against their interests any more than "the white working class" vote against their interests when they vote republican in general. For emphasis: YOUR INTERESTS ARE NOT THEIR INTERESTS. These people vote for systemic racism. They vote for anti-abortion laws. They hate the things you love. That IS their interest. You don't convince them by telling them the other guy is actually the guy that supports their interests. You can only convince them if you change their interests.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

70. Well said.

Whiteness is a helluva drug, even for those on the left.

[BainsBane]

75. It's a difference of 3%

the same difference between Biden and Obama's popular vote count. That's not nothing.

The exit polls might be accurate, but they have yet to be weighted, as the caution at the beginning of the article says.

[Brainfodder]

78. That was only election day polls, so that's mostly Reps, so 45% of them didn't on election day?

[BainsBane]

82. It's based on phone calls

and the results haven't yet been weighted. Given how poor their polling methodology is during the pre-election season, I don't see any reason to believe this is much better.

[Brainfodder]

83. Trust issues.... indeed!

[Tink41]

81. Not surprising

Over the years probably because of Facebook, I've learned of my long ago classmates political leanings. Astonished is the right word.
I gave it years of thought, how could they be conservatives when.... comparing past behaviors, life style etc. And the one thing that
showed up again and again was living a life that revolves around the man. His interests, his needs, likes, dislikes. They don't find anything odd about saying their husband is babysitting the kids. They are quite content living in a "box" and you don't come out of it.
You know girls do this and boys do that. I kid you not. Any woman I've come across that is a Trump supporter does show in some way
being very comfortable as a defined role. Quite accepting of boys will be boys and women are there to provide service, and eye candy.

One of my best friends likes to say I was the wild one. She was a pregnant teen, she sold pink hearts for her gang member boyfriend from the city, in High School. She was put into a program for troubled teens. I almost had whiplash after hearing that. I did none of those things, was always independent, did my own thing, never went along w the crowd. That is what she considered wild.

[treestar]

85. That shows a slight disadvantage to GOTV the white woman vote

likely the extra 2% didn't vote in 2016. I don't see it as likely that 2% of WW voters went from Hillary to Dotard.

The turnout issue is no longer simple.

Though this poll is not thought so good. But another issue is naive apolitical voters who show up to vote dutifully but don't know anything about the candidates - some could be people who think things are OK for them so they vote for the incumbent. Then again, with Covid, that sounds dumb. But then a lot of people are, even colleged educated.

[NurseJackie]

90. I know women who allow their husbands to tell them how to vote.

Shocking. Sad. But true. They have no interest in politics and so they "gift" their vote to their husbands.

[Nimble_Idea]

92. come on man

malarkey abound