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SCOTUS won't strike down the ACA. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 OP
well then lets go for the whole sheebang...free health care for all. samnsara Nov 2020 #1
We will be lucky to keep the ACA...free health care exists nowhere. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #16
Why can car insurance be mandated but not health insurance? MoonlitKnight Nov 2020 #2
The idea is that no one is forcing you to buy a car. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #4
But they don't just kill you if you are sick MoonlitKnight Nov 2020 #20
You only need car insurance if you own a car and drive it on public roads. Mariana Nov 2020 #7
Maybe, sorta, kinda it is. brush Nov 2020 #14
Liability to others? BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #11
They're thinking about the 2022 midterms dalton99a Nov 2020 #3
Or Jan 5th Senate races....Georgia has 460,000 on ACA OnDoutside Nov 2020 #8
Exactly. That has always been the most likely outcome. Hoyt Nov 2020 #5
Joe Biden has time to fix this FakeNoose Nov 2020 #6
absolute no guarantees it goes Blue, not in 2020 nor in 2022. In-power POTUS parties often get Celerity Nov 2020 #15
Ron Johnson said in 16,he would serve only one more Senate term. We shall see. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #17
The Republican lawyers don't seem to be helping themselves. C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #9
The individual mandate was a gift to insurance companies. Statistical Nov 2020 #10
I blame Lieberman too. But we should have had Obama's back in 2010...everything goes Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #13
An individual mandate is needed to make sure everyone participates. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #19
except that it hasnt worked out that way. mopinko Nov 2020 #21
The mandate was already struck down...the idea is that because it is struck down the entire Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Azathoth Nov 2020 #18
They struck that down years ago already Rice4VP Nov 2020 #22

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
1. well then lets go for the whole sheebang...free health care for all.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:12 PM
Nov 2020

..Then lets see how the trumpers react when THEIR FREE healthcare is on the chopping block.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
2. Why can car insurance be mandated but not health insurance?
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

Will states be unable to mandate car insurance if struck down?

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
20. But they don't just kill you if you are sick
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 01:15 PM
Nov 2020

Everyone else who has insurance has to pay.

I realize killing the poor who get sick is probably the Republican plan, but to say it causes no liability to others is patently wrong.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
7. You only need car insurance if you own a car and drive it on public roads.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

It really isn't the same thing.

brush

(53,743 posts)
14. Maybe, sorta, kinda it is.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:35 PM
Nov 2020

If you own a body and live in it, you need health insurance.

Humor me. I'm being kind of silly this morning, but we do all need health care.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
6. Joe Biden has time to fix this
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

... as soon as the Senate goes BLUE, the ACA will be saved and made much better for all of us.




Celerity

(43,128 posts)
15. absolute no guarantees it goes Blue, not in 2020 nor in 2022. In-power POTUS parties often get
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:38 PM
Nov 2020

hammered in their first midterms. Even if we win both the GA run-offs (and thus are at 50-50), Senators like Manchin will hold Biden hostage to do the absolute bare minimum on a multiplicity of actionable items. You can forget the Public Option, expansion of either or both the lower federal courts and/or the SCOTUS, the ending of the filibuster (which will be used by the Rethugs to crush most all attempts at us passing anything of import), DC statehood (let alone the far more tenuous Puerto Rican statehood), etc etc.

2022 US Senate 'in-play' races

At-Risk (even if marginal) Dems

In order of risk

Georgia (IF Warnock wins the runoff with Loeffler)
Nevada Catherine Cortez Masto (Brian Sandoval would be by far the toughest Rethug to beat)
Arizona Mark Kelly (It will not be McSally running against him, lolol)
New Hampshire Maggie Hassan (her two strongest opponents would probably be Former Senator Kelly Ayotte and Governor Sununu)
Vermont Patrick Leahy (IF he retires, the very popular Rethug Governor Phil Scott may prove to be trouble)
Colorado Michael Bennet (I see little chance for him to lose)


Possible Rethug Flips

In order of risk

North Carolina Open Seat
Pennsylvania Open Seat
Wisconsin Ron Johnson (asshat deluxe, I fucking hate this clown)
Georgia Loeffler (unless we win it in the runoff)
Florida Marco Rubio
Iowa Chuck Grassley (may retire he will turn 90yo in the first year of his next term if he runs, if he retires we have a good shot, Vilsack should run, he should have ran in 2020!)
Kansas Jerry Moran Only shot we have, and it would be a good one, is if Sibelius runs this time, she should have ran in 2020!) If she refuses again, forget winning this seat.
Kentucky Rand Paul (fucking berk)
Ohio Rob Portman
Indiana Todd Young (no clue if Buttigieg would try, Indiana is SO Red now, ffs)
Missouri Roy Blunt



Demsrule86

(68,470 posts)
17. Ron Johnson said in 16,he would serve only one more Senate term. We shall see.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

We desperately need a 50 state strategy to address the Senate and states. I would someone new...maybe Stacey Abrams to run the DNC

C_U_L8R

(44,990 posts)
9. The Republican lawyers don't seem to be helping themselves.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

Best and brightest, huh. Says a lot about Republicans as a whole.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
10. The individual mandate was a gift to insurance companies.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:23 PM
Nov 2020

Without it they will argue the pre-existing condition protection violates their contract rights. If you can just get insurance without any penalty or added cost AFTER you get cancer that would cause rates to rise and then more healthy people drop out which pushes rates higher so more healthy people drop out because you know you can always get insurance after the fact.

The Republicans know the exchange plans baring huge government subsidies will eventually fail without the individual mandate.

We should have just gone for single payer or at least a public option. Damn you liberman.

Demsrule86

(68,470 posts)
13. I blame Lieberman too. But we should have had Obama's back in 2010...everything goes
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:26 PM
Nov 2020

back to the f'ing 'messaging voters'.

Demsrule86

(68,470 posts)
19. An individual mandate is needed to make sure everyone participates.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

You need all ages to make this work. And what happens if someone who doesn't have insurance gets sick? Do we let them die. It should be put back but the rates and out of pocket must come down. We should point out in Georgia that the ACA doesn't just protest those who have it but allows our children to remain on our plan, mandates what service must be covered even in the workplace and provides free well care once a year.

mopinko

(70,022 posts)
21. except that it hasnt worked out that way.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

much to the surprise of experts, it turns out that when you make ins affordable, ppl buy it.
a lot of ppl got medicaid in states that expanded it.
and a lot of kids kit 27, and realized ins is a good thing to have.

Demsrule86

(68,470 posts)
12. The mandate was already struck down...the idea is that because it is struck down the entire
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:25 PM
Nov 2020

bill must go. If it was only about the mandate why did they agree to hear it?

Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

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