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This is sending waves of horror through most of us. Even my typically low-normal BP is bumping up hearing and reading about these suggestions. Here an article that offers some perspective:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/pennsylvania-gop-rallies-trumps-defense-435864
We have grave concerns regarding the future of our commonwealth, said GOP state Rep. Dawn Keefer, who represents parts of York and Cumberland counties, both of which voted for Trump by double-digit percentage points. We believe this moment is pivotal and important enough that the General Assembly needs to take extraordinary measures to answer these extraordinary questions.
The state lawmakers on Tuesday offered no evidence of voter fraud. Only about 20 Republicans attended, a fraction of the nearly 140 members in the state legislature and GOP legislative leaders were missing.
Its not going anywhere in the Senate, said Christopher Nicholas, a longtime Pennsylvania-based GOP consultant, of the direct appointment of electors by the legislature. I think those 19 folks had an itch to scratch. They just scratched it. I think thats kind of the end of it.
Still, the fact that Trump and state lawmakers are stoking fears of extensive voter fraud without evidence all but guarantees that a significant number of voters here will question the integrity of the race. A Morning Consult/POLITICO survey found that only 23 percent of Republican voters said they trust the election results in Pennsylvania. --snip--
But, Thornburgh added, the state law is clear that the certification of the election is between the governor and the secretary of the commonwealth, so theres no room for the legislature there and I do think its significant that the leadership is not supportive of this effort.
Quite a bit more at the link above
Roland99
(53,342 posts)aggiesal
(8,910 posts)He wants ALL the lame duck State Representatives to change the law, in their state, prior to Dec 7th (I believe?), so that they can change the electors to yes-man for Pendejo45.
They know they can't change the outcome of the election, but they're going to try.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)their only avenue is to somehow prove systemic fraud or misconduct and then declare the entire election void
absurd
aggiesal
(8,910 posts)like the pendejo that he is, and that his pendejo minions are following.
They will try to change their laws, but will lose in court.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)and by awesome, I meant horrible, seditious and easily bribed
Fullduplexxx
(7,852 posts)Oh no... this very good thing that happened is very bad ... something very bad is coming from this good news... why do dems do this ?
Its not going anywhere in the Senate, said Christopher Nicholas, a longtime Pennsylvania-based GOP consultant, of the direct appointment of electors by the legislature. I think those 19 folks had an itch to scratch. They just scratched it. I think thats kind of the end of it.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)to end up being a sucker who bemoans what just happened to their democracy, whining, "Gee, I wish I had paid better attention to what was going on."
TDale313
(7,820 posts)This level of undermining confidence in our democratic systems and attempted raw power grabs should be cause for concern. This is not normal.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)bear fruit or not, are incredibly destructive.
stopdiggin
(11,292 posts)(refusal to accept results was forewarned, in fact advertised)
And -- as the OP points out, this sad little stunt was almost immediately dismissed as of little or no consequence. So, yes, the damage is inherent -- but there is also no profit in lending weight and legitimacy to these stunts -- by breathlessly following every twist and turn of the defeated jackhammers. These morons haven't even managed to convince their own party leadership to lend support! So, let them have their little 5 second soundbite -- and then everyone can go back to raking leaves and other more important pursuits.
i.e. -- don't feed the flames.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)and should be tried for it. I know that Biden seemed to be handling it.
However the fact that Trump is behind it should it all is criminal and he should be removed immediately and charged for starting it. It is mind boggling that he thinks he can get away from it.
stopdiggin
(11,292 posts)I'm hoping that your response was meant to be somewhat generic. But, even in that context ... That's cranking the decibels up pretty high.
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Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)We have been subject to this abuse by Republicans for decades now. A person in an abusive relationship learns to flinch when the abusive partner so much as lifts a hand toward them.
klook
(12,154 posts)We all have ITSD -- intra-traumatic stress disorder (no idea if that's actually a thing or not, but the concept fits). Looking forward to the day it's merely PTSD.
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dchill
(38,465 posts)Skraxx
(2,970 posts)So, let them whine all they want. The Dem and Secretary are Dems and will not stand for any shenanigans.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,751 posts)Amishman
(5,554 posts)19 can't do anything. 109 still couldn't.
This is a small minority in PA's state government that is just being obnoxiously loud. Sound familiar?
Thekaspervote
(32,751 posts)hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)and before the R Senate Leader began to backtrack on his earlier statement that PA legislature would stay out of it.
I still think this is posturing and/or floating a balloon to see how many shoot it down, but we can't ignore some support doing something along these lines--apparently including the likes of Lindsey Graham--Chair of Senate Judiciary Committee.
Thekaspervote
(32,751 posts)On Friday, State Senate majority leader Jake Corman said Republicans will honor the wishes of the voters.
Our role is to monitor the process, our role is to provide oversight and call out questions where they might need asked, but certainly want to stay with the tradition of the popular vote winner getting the electors, Senator Corman said.
Corman says the vote is certified by the state and the governor appoints the electors.
He says the legislature will follow the law.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/10/pa-electoral-college-popular-vote/
hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)Nov 9 https://local21news.com/news/local/gop-members-of-pennsylvania-house-call-for-audit-of-pending-2020-election-results
On Monday, House Speaker Bryan Cutler (R-Lancaster) and House Majority Leader Jake Corman (R-Centre) called on Governor Tom Wolf to audit the pending results and ballots continue to be counted across the state.
I only say this to point out that PA DEMS need to keep pressure on him as well.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)A handful of Republican State Legislators. Not a majority of the House and Senate to pass an actual law change, and not 2/3 necessary to override Governor Wolf's veto.
Sugarcoated
(7,722 posts)I've been trying to get to the bottom line on this...
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)And the Governor is a Democrat. PLUS the PA State Supreme Court is majority Democrat - 5(D) - 2 (R).
Sugarcoated
(7,722 posts)The traitor and his enablers know it, too, so what is their strategy here?
Statistical
(19,264 posts)The 19 are in super red districts. By looking like they are "doing something" they score easy points with MAGAts and ensure no primary challengers in two years.
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)while triggering DU to freak out like it has?
Don't get me wrong, I am concerned about the complete jettison of conventional traditions but in the far back of my mind I realize that there is a confluence of true evil fascists operating in the background and someone who has spent 4 years "playing a President on teevee" in the foreground begging for attention.
I also know that the very very wealthy (the real ones, not the fake one in the WH) are watching because if this country gets truly destabilized, then they lose money in the markets. We may be "global" but there is also a massive pandemic going on too that is throwing a wrench in the global markets as it is.
Remember that $$$ rules all and as much as DU posts about "the 1%", the "1%" doesn't like "uncertainty".
stopdiggin
(11,292 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)If they can void just a few votes for Ossoff and Warnock to where the Rs have their 50% then the R's hold on to the senate.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)infullview
(978 posts)This is exactly what they are going to try in GA. Did you all see that post from this morning on the 4 step plan? Thay're actually doing exactly this step by step - right down to suggesting a new set of electors.
Thekaspervote
(32,751 posts)obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)Nothing else.
I can write the same opinion OP on the four steps of why it won't happen.
hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)to counter the concern. I posted the OP and I most certainly DID NOT CREATE ANY 4-step plan.
I even highlighted the pertinent counter-arguments in the politico article for those who might not bother to read either it OR MY POST. Kindly STOP suggesting I am doing the opposite of what I AM doing--trying to reassure my fellow DUers.
hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)Please read it through in total
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)(where your OP links to a better analysis)
And as a note, David Thornburgh, who I believe is who is being referenced in your excerpt (and is head of the Philly Committee of Seventy that monitors elections), is the son of Dick Thornburgh (a moderate Republican ).
grantcart
(53,061 posts)No coup, no execution just bluster an 3rd class PR nonsense.
apnu
(8,751 posts)Now that the roles are reversed? Trump won PA in 2016 by 44,292 votes which is 0.72% margin. Biden is 47K up on Trump in PA right now.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,313 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,401 posts)party scratching at the blackboard trying to be heard - as well as a shout out to the hard core Deplorables.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)I guess.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)in an instant if they are talking about this.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)....article again!
Kid Berwyn
(14,863 posts)Asking for a Constitution.
FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)They'll bring any bluff or bluster to get Tom Wolf riled, however they can.
I don't see any sign that they did this for Chump or because of the mess in Georgia, this is Pennsylvania insiders only. Now that they've had their little say, it's over.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I am disgusted this president and hate those who are pushing the concern narrative.
And, Im also livid about people who are not facilitating a peaceful transfer of power.
Its wearing me down. Just returned from buying groceries and now see that this happened in PA. It probably wont amount to anything, other than making it harder for Biden to bring us together. Doubt is their goal.
The GOP is a pit of snakes.