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I honestly think Trump's minions told him the fix was in, just like '16 (Original Post) Baltimike Nov 2020 OP
Precisely, I don't think the polls were that far off JCMach1 Nov 2020 #1
I don't either. Baltimike Nov 2020 #2
Me either! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #7
I had heard that the polls were "wronger" for the same day results (i.e. machine cast votes) lapucelle Nov 2020 #8
Yes kurtcagle Nov 2020 #17
Now you're talking. ananda Nov 2020 #18
Yup, he's behaving exactly like someone who cheated and lost anyway. unblock Nov 2020 #3
That is spot on perfect. nt Baltimike Nov 2020 #6
Yup. Joke's on him. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #19
I think Trump expected to lose in '16 and then intended to claim the election was stolen from him Kaleva Nov 2020 #4
I think it might have been more profitable in 2016 JI7 Nov 2020 #10
Yes. I think that was his plan back in 2016. Kaleva Nov 2020 #13
If the evil weasel heading the USPS Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #5
And the reporter who originally broke the USPS story renate Nov 2020 #16
He was taught to think magically as a child blogslut Nov 2020 #9
There is nothing wrong with Peale's philosophy. Dave Starsky Nov 2020 #22
yep trump is acting like a poker player brettdale Nov 2020 #11
He thought his rallies and caravans were proof! LeftInTX Nov 2020 #12
Don't forget the boat parades oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #14
Hyper-aggression LeftInTX Nov 2020 #15
yes they did not steal enough scarytomcat Nov 2020 #20
trump is Super Shocked! They told him Cha Nov 2020 #21

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
8. I had heard that the polls were "wronger" for the same day results (i.e. machine cast votes)
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:31 PM
Nov 2020

than they were for the mail in (paper) tallies. Does anyone know if that's true?

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
17. Yes
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:23 AM
Nov 2020

Consistent bias towards Trump in every state that had touchscreens of about 3%. Once you account for that, polls seem about spot on. I don't think you can go much higher that that because the results are too far outside of the margin of error.my suspicion is that without that, we would control the Senate and added to the house. McConnell would still have won, but Collins, Graham and Nunnes would be history.

I think we should decommission the touch screens in favor of vote by mail.There is just too much mischief that such systems are open too.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
19. Yup. Joke's on him.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:51 AM
Nov 2020

Now he knows exactly how much people really hate him. We aren't the ones who cheated. They are. And they STILL lost!

That is why he is in such shock. He thought he had it in the bag, but he underestimated the power of the people and their vote. He honestly can't believe how fucked he is.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
4. I think Trump expected to lose in '16 and then intended to claim the election was stolen from him
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:29 PM
Nov 2020

he may have intended to win this time but by claiming the election was stolen, he's creating a future cash cow that will keep him and his family living the good life as his deluded supporters pay to attend his rallies and buy his books, t-shirts, coffee mugs and what not.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
10. I think it might have been more profitable in 2016
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:45 PM
Nov 2020

because we wouldn't have had the failure of presidency.

But it's different now.

He still has the cult but after 2016 he could have gotten offers from mainstream sources.



Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
13. Yes. I think that was his plan back in 2016.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:54 PM
Nov 2020

Lose the election, claim fraud and then milk the cash cow for all it's worth.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
5. If the evil weasel heading the USPS
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:30 PM
Nov 2020

gotten away with what he started out to do it would have gone differently. Twitler told everyone not to use the mail counting on the mail system being broken by then. Judge Sullivan saved our bacon.

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
9. He was taught to think magically as a child
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:41 PM
Nov 2020

It's in Mary's book. His father and he were big followers of Norman (fucking) Vincent Peale.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
22. There is nothing wrong with Peale's philosophy.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:16 AM
Nov 2020

I've seen that guy quoted or misrepresented a thousand times on this board. Almost always by people who've never read his work. It would be like me criticizing the Koran when I've never read a single page of it.

Peale always said that positive thinking had to be coupled with effective action. You don't just "magically" wish things true. You have to learn, better yourself, and bust your ass. Trump is absolutely incapable of doing any of those things.

brettdale

(12,377 posts)
11. yep trump is acting like a poker player
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:47 PM
Nov 2020

Who cheated, but still lost, and is wondering, Hey I must of won because I cheated.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
15. Hyper-aggression
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 01:31 AM
Nov 2020

My next door neighbor had 11 Trump signs. I found this in numerous Trump supporting households. There was like an over-abundance of support.

I did not see a single Trump sign in 2016! Not one! Then, they exploded this year. I figured if they were that way here, they were this way everywhere.

In the end, my county went for Biden at 58%, it went for Hillary at 53%. In both elections, 40% voted for Trump.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
20. yes they did not steal enough
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 05:54 AM
Nov 2020

paper ballot now
we need proof of election count and real recounts by hand not machine

Cha

(297,154 posts)
21. trump is Super Shocked! They told him
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 06:03 AM
Nov 2020

he'd "win".. Maybe that's why he said before the votes were counted that he "Won"!

& why he's saying he "Won Michigan".. & PA, & AZ & GA! & Wisconsin!

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