AOC: Georgia isn't a red state. It's a voter-suppressed state.

[melman]

Link to tweet

[servermsh]

1. I donated when she tweeted that

And yesterday I separately donated to Fair Fight through Act Blue.

[fierywoman]

3. PLEASE Dems, please, vote on paper.

[Blue Owl]

4. K&R

[George II]

5. Isn't she the Congresswoman from one of 29 Districts in New York? By the way, a contribution....

....directly to either Ossoff or Warnock's campaigns eliminates all transaction fees, meaning more goes to the campaign, less to a middleman or non-Georgia Super PACs.

[Demsrule86]

9. She needs to stay away from Georgia. It is on the cusp and we have a chance but it is still pretty

moderate to conservative. I lived there and sis still does.

[AmericanCanuck]

18. This

but Trump finds it impossible to not tweet something to get attention.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

128. She's raising money for organization that GOTV for the November election.

She isn't saying she is going there to do things. She's raising money. That's bad, now?

[Demsrule86]

130. Nope...money is good always. I donate to the candidates through DU or ACT Blue though.

But let Stacey run the show.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

131. Stacey is running the show, with others from Georgia, as AOC makes clear.

I see no reason why money coming from DU would be more helpful than from AOC.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

132. Also, you do realize the AOC tweet links to ACT Blue, right?

So you, apparently, fully support AOC in what she's doing.

[babylonsister]

6. All hands on deck! nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. K&R!

[JudyM]

8. Firing everybody up with fightin' words! Way to go, AOC.

[George II]

10. Georgia is not the northeast.

[AmericanCanuck]

17. Georgia is not NY-14

Some people keep forgetting that.

[melman]

20. Some people forget where NY-14 is

So others have to show them.

[AmericanCanuck]

21. I'm sure people in Georgia lump all NYC districts together

[Demsrule86]

24. AOC can't help us with Georgia...anymore than Manchin could her her win New York.

She needs to not get involved.

[NurseJackie]

59. It's an entirely different culture, isn't it?

You've described it perfectly!

[Demsrule86]

83. It is completely different. Those who are 'liberal' in Georgia are mostly moderately conservative

[George II]

62. Tammy Duckworth was correct. Tammy Duckworth was proven correct.

[obamanut2012]

100. Agreed -- I trust Stacey Abrams with this!

[George II]

91. "NY" is a hint.

[melman]

95. Some folks need more

That's why they need others to show them.

[radius777]

114. AOC is an urban Dem and it was heavy metro Atlanta

turnout that nearly gave GA to Abrams and did give it to Biden this time. Running up the score in big cities is really how Dems win any state, for the most part, if you look at the electoral map in terms of county.

[sheshe2]

12. So Stacey Abrams who has been working for two years for Georgia should just sit down.

Stacey is from Georgia, Alex is from NY. Glad she has come to join the fight that Stacey has been waging the last two years. It is appreciated.

Stacey did this.

We also haven’t given enough thanks to Stacey Abrams and all those who have been fighting on the ground in Georgia to finally turn Georgia BLUE.

It cannot be understated all the voting rights cases that have been brought in Georgia that were won, and have been won since Abrams lost.
It matters that they won the cases that said, even if the voter casts a ballot electronically, there must be a paper record of it. No more wiped servers in Georgia.
It matters that the Democrats insisted on VOTING PLANS FOR 2020.
It matters that Democrats had all those Mail Ballots in 2020. The ability to physically count the ballots has meant a great deal in 2020.

Read it all: https://3chicspolitico.com/2020/11/11/open-thread-more-thoughts-on-the-election/

Stacey Abrams is owed the lion shares of credit for what she did in Georgia. It is blue.

[AmericanCanuck]

22. Stacey Abrams should be the only one talking about Georgia

besides the candidates themselves.

All Democrats who are not in Georgia should just watch it play out instead of ruining our chances.

[Demsrule86]

25. Exactly right. I think Biden, Harris and Obama can help our side too...but not AOC or any in

deep blue states.

[AmericanCanuck]

26. +1

[sheshe2]

41. She, Stacey speaks for Georgia now.

It use to be she and John, yet he is gone now.

I have lived my whole life in the northern states. I would never presume to speak for a southern state. I have never lived their life or politics.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. Now that's pretty funny.

[sheshe2]

48. I would ask you to explain.

Yet it is late and will be hitting the pillow.

I am not sure you are aware that I am not a candidate for public office. I am not a member of congress and have never been one. What comments I may or may not express as a private citizen no where equals what a sitting Rep has to say. I have the power of my voice and vote alone and not the power of an elected office.

Nite.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

56. No.

[Demsrule86]

78. Yes AOC will hurt us in Georgia. She needs to attend to her deep blue district. I think she is

smart enough to realize this. She wouldn't be any help in the Dakotas, Alaska, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina...etc. We need a 50 state strategy in terms of candidates and spokespeople...

[NurseJackie]

89. You are correct.

Yes AOC will hurt us in Georgia.

You're correct. The type of politics and policies and candidates that are received well in places like NY or VT will definitely not get the same type of reception in places like WV or GA.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

98. No. AOC reports raising $100k for groups fighting for Georgia. How does that "hurt us in Georgia"?

[BComplex]

101. You missed the point: This is another "lets all hate AOC" thread. No use trying to be reasonable.

Just let 'em throw things.

[treestar]

63. or if they want to help, get behind Stacey Abrams

First thought I had was what does AOC know about GA? Not much.

[progressoid]

90. AOC's ActBlue link sends money to Stacy Abams' Fight Fair Action group.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/aoc-social-localpower

[George II]

108. And four other groups, but none to Ossoff or Warnock.

[progressoid]

112. And?

Treestar said, "if they want to help, get behind Stacey Abrams". That's exactly what she was encouraging her 10.2 million followers to do. How is this a bad thing?

[George II]

115. Only one of the groups listed is Stacy Abrams' Fight Fair Action group.

[progressoid]

116. Again, how is this a bad thing?

None of those groups are working against us. They are all on our team helping to elect two Democratic Senators.

AOC didn't go down to GA wearing a Che shirt and quoting Trotsky. She just asked her Twitter followers to donate to the cause. How is this a bad thing?

[George II]

118. It's not a terrible thing, but it's funneling money off to peripheral organizations....

....rather than going directly to the campaigns of the people who are actually running for Senator.

I think Ossoff's and Warnock's campaigns know what THEY need in this campaign in order to win in January.

[progressoid]

119. Says the person with a Lincoln Project picture in his sig line.

[George II]

120. Yes. They've done a great job and may have tipped some close states to Biden. Problem?

[progressoid]

122. Just trying to understand the reasoning.

Which third party groups are acceptable?

The Lincoln Project?
The New Georgia Project Action Fund?
Fair Fight Action? GALEO Impact Fund?
SONG Power PAC?
Asian American Advocacy Fund PAC?
When We All Vote?

BTW, if you follow the link to ActBlue, you'll find your donation doesn't have to be given to all five of the groups listed. You can customize your donation to give only to Stacy's group if you like.

[George II]

124. The Lincoln Project raises money for themselves and only themselves. They don't solicit...

....contributions that would be divided among them and other groups.

Kapow! And a hearty bazinga.

[melman]

125. "The Lincoln Project raises money for themselves and only themselves"

[progressoid]

126. The Lincoln Project raises money for themselves and only themselves.

Nuff said.

[George II]

127. You guys are good.

[melman]

121. Kapow!

And a hearty bazinga.

[progressoid]

123. :)

[Doremus]

110. Well, if AOC suggested it, it must be wrong. /s. eom

[ecstatic]

67. +1,000,0000. nt

[Bettie]

75. So, no one else should

donate or suggest that others donate?

Or is this just about hating a particular congresswoman?

[Demsrule86]

79. Donating is fine always...and this particular Congress person will not help our effort.

It is too important for this to continue.

[Bettie]

80. Well, perhaps you should send a group email to all congresspersons

and tell them which of them are allowed to donate and which are not.

Since you know which money is "dirty" and which is acceptable.

[Demsrule86]

85. I would hope such a person would understand the politics involved and have enough sense to

understand that any overt interference on their part could cost us the Senate and find other ways to help such as donations. Now, I never said although you seem to have missed that part that donations from anyone are not acceptable in this matter.

Money is needed period...you won't get me there. I am not on the purity bandwagon. I believe all this outrage over donations is silly. You need money to run winning campaigns. However sending folks who are not popular in a state to try to 'win' said state is foolish and pointless. It is a myth to believe that any Democrat can win in any state ...which is why we need a 50 state strategy and a big tent where all points of view are accepted.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

129. So AOC shouldn't raise money to help Abrams?

Weird flex.

[ehrnst]

97. +1000. A political activist who doesn't make their work about themselves or seek the limelight,

is usually far more effective than those who do.

Stacey Abrams is hero.

[sheshe2]

11. Hey.

Thanks for your help, Alex. Late, yet appreciated. Stacey has this. She has turned it blue.

Stacey Abrams has got this and has since the beginning. She has been non stop on this since she lost her election, one stolen from her in 2018. Two years she has fought relentlessly for her state and the people. She and the late John Lewis know Georgia.

More Thoughts On The Election
Last edited Wed Nov 11, 2020, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Had more time to think about the election. To absorb the victory.
I want to thank all the Democratic voters in 2018.
Why 2018?

Because, that’s when we elected Democratic Governors in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
Having those Democratic Governors MATTERED in 2020.

ELECTIONS MATTER!

We also haven’t given enough thanks to Stacey Abrams and all those who have been fighting on the ground in Georgia to finally turn Georgia BLUE.

It cannot be understated all the voting rights cases that have been brought in Georgia that were won, and have been won since Abrams lost.
It matters that they won the cases that said, even if the voter casts a ballot electronically, there must be a paper record of it. No more wiped servers in Georgia.
It matters that the Democrats insisted on VOTING PLANS FOR 2020.
It matters that Democrats had all those Mail Ballots in 2020. The ability to physically count the ballots has meant a great deal in 2020.

Read it all: https://3chicspolitico.com/2020/11/11/open-thread-more-thoughts-on-the-election/

Stacey Abrams is owed the lion shares of credit for what she did in Georgia. It is blue.

Thank you Stacey.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214534361

[sheshe2]

30. Umhmmm.

[Pepsidog]

42. She certainly does deserve credit and praise. I love AOC but hope she stays in the background

on this one.

[George II]

92. Were it not for Stacey Abrams, we wouldn't be in two close Georgia runoffs today...

She did all the grunt work of getting Georgians registered and out to vote.

Anyone who wants to get involved in these two runoffs should work through Abrams, not independently of her.

[sheshe2]

93. +1

[UCmeNdc]

13. K&R

GOTV

Vote Early

[betsuni]

14. Glad to see it acknowledged that Republicans win because they cheat with things like voter

suppression, not because people don't want to vote for Democrats because they "ignore the working and middle classes" or are "coastal elites" or bad at messaging and so on. Good for AOC!

[melman]

15. I can't understand the mentality of people that want to shit up a GOTV thread

It's truly unbelievable.

[Demsrule86]

27. Melman do you truly believe AOC can help with Georgia? Have you ever been to Georgia.

My brother the independent is voting for both Senators...but he really dislikes AOC...she needs to stay away. She can't help in red or purple states yet...I hope the time comes when that is possible. But this is not the time.

[Act_of_Reparation]

76. Anecdotes... how quaint.

[Demsrule86]

82. Well I am sure that some who have never stepped foot in Georgia know it all. (not you of course)

You know what would be heartbreaking is to give McConnell the Senate. Stacey Abrams deserves the credit for Georgia and needs to lead our fight which is going to be difficult.I think some believe that we will win Georgia easily.That is not the case. It will be really tough. Those who interfere with this effort endanger our endanger our chance of success. Donations are welcome of course but let the Georgia experts run the show. Now I am trashing this thread.

[AmericanCanuck]

28. It is not a purely GOTV thread

Everyone knows what it is

[sheshe2]

35. !

[sheshe2]

32. ?

[questionseverything]

54. She is trying to raise money and excitement to help Stacey

I don’t understand how that offends you

[Demsrule86]

86. It doesn't offend me...but it won't help us.

[BainsBane]

40. How is this a GOTV thread?

Please explain.

[questionseverything]

55. It is a raising money thread which is what Stacey has been asking for

[peoli]

52. Seriously. Some people are afraid of progressives I guess.

[Demsrule86]

87. In Georgia? Yeah...AOC is a great person and won her deep blue district easily. But

she can't help us with Georgia.

[peoli]

96. Oh course she can

AOC speaks to millennials and gen Z. They listen to her no matter what state they live in. You think she won't inspire people to vote? You think people in Georgia only listen to Stacy Abraham's and nobody else? AOC had millions of followers. I am in Oregon, you think I can't hear AOC when she speaks or tweets? You can hear her from wherever you are and so can everyone that lives in Georgia that follows her. She's inspired countless people to vote in all 50 states and you as a democratic don't want her help?

[Demsrule86]

102. She can't help in Georgia anymore than Manchin could help her in New York as I said.

She was used in ads against Biden in Georgia you know. I like her but yeah she needs to stay away from Georgia.

[peoli]

103. You are very wrong. n/t

[Demsrule86]

133. They used AOC in Trump ads during the election.

[peoli]

136. Listen, We can't hide from name calling that has been going for 100 years

We can't run away and change our personalities because someone says we are this or that. We HAVE to find a way to confront this crap and lie. Sticks and stones may break my bones but name will never hurt me. That's the 3rd grade level that we are confronted with and the response of democrats should not be to run and hide and feel ashamed. We have to stand our ground and fight back otherwise they shape who we become instead of us shaping who we are.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. I don't understand either, but it sure is annoying.

[Hortensis]

65. I'm Californian in GA, Melman. Ocasio's statement is "unbelievable."

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Literally absurdly wrong. And that makes this a thread about politicians who try to deceive voters.

For starters, AA are 13.3% of Americans and this election were an amazing 11% (!!!) of all who voted, and 9 out of 10 of those voted for Biden.

As for red-blue, AA are a third of all Georgians, but it shouldn't be surprising that, normally speaking, they don't all want to vote for Democrats. And don't. Conservatism is a real thing. 2/3 of white Georgians vote deeply conservative compared to conservatives in the rest of the nation. At least half of black Georgians are also conservative and disagree with the liberal Democratic Party on most things other than their own rights. Just like those famous white men who went to Trump, some black men have been having a problem with too much equality for some others, like women and other races, and with immigrants.

Btw, the embedded power of AAs in the Democratic Party is one reason conservative Hispanics haven't joined us, that and not being willing to hold their noses while voting for liberal goals. Their conservatives don't like blacks, black conservatives don't like them, neither like whites, etc.

In any case, although attempts to suppress are of course real, it wasn't that that caused roughly 10% of the black men who voted for Obama to subsequently refuse to vote for Stacey Abrams for governor. In 2016, even more hard-conservative black voters preferred to see racist Trump elected than HRC. This time, mercifully, after four years of him a lot more came out in a black wave to vote -- for white male Biden.

[Nimble_Idea]

69. oh so this is what it is all about...

a bunch of racists jerks circling each other

[Spazito]

70. Thanks for this informative post...

Learning from someone who actually lives in the State being discussed is a good thing.

[Nimble_Idea]

73. laff far from informative

but whatevs

[Spazito]

74. I can only assume you live in Georgia as well?

If so, what is your perspective? If not, well, enough said.

[Hortensis]

77. Living here has definitely been an education in southern conservatism;

although there are plenty in California, in most of GA a deep cultural conservatism rules.

Like the almost missing concept among many we know (not all) of liability, at least shared, between a product manufacturer (authority) who makes a product that's not supposed to be dangerous and an injured user who didn't know it was dangerous but in retrospect should have suspected it. There is no shared liability by God (ultimate authority) in the Bible -- damnation is the consequence for those who don't follow His rules -- and I see the influence of that implacable justice and submission to authority in how typical southern conservatives view virtually all social issues.

[Spazito]

81. I only know about Georgia from others who live the experience...

and, seeing Biden and Harris winning this State gives me hope that the "implacable justice" affecting some is loosening it's grip and that is hopeful.

[Hortensis]

88. I think we see the old southern conservatism loosening its grip

on many, but it is very deeply embedded. And of course not all conservatives are created equal. Many are both moderate and sophisticated.

I've known some I believe are probably liberal by nature, conservative by nurture, but since that's usually an insult around here I've never actually said it outright to any of them, just in case. If they suspected it, I think they'd have told me. Liberals here love to find each other.

[questionseverything]

107. So does that all mean you don't support Stacey's efforts to win these two senate seats

[Hortensis]

109. Huh? Have a nice evening. nt

[questionseverything]

111. You said,"politicians that deceive voters "

[AmericanCanuck]

16. Alabama is also not a red state - but a voter oppressed state

This is getting to be comical.

[progressoid]

33. That's exactly what Stacey Abrams has said as well.

Is Stacey Abrams' position comical?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. She said it about GA not Al. Huge difference.

[AmericanCanuck]

19. AOC needs to stay out of Georgia politics

Even the blue voters there are moderate to conservative. They will switch sides with the ultra left rhetoric. The reason Biden won Georgia is because he was seen as a center-left moderate.

Georgia is not NY-14.

[Demsrule86]

29. This is true. I lived in Georgia for more than 10 years. I have family there.

[LisaL]

34. Exactly.

I don't think GA is going to like someone from NY telling them what to do.

[pat_k]

36. I don't think pointing out the voter suppression we've seen there is. . .

. . . out of line. It's not like she's scheduling a tour there.

The groups listed can all be more effective with more dollars. I think calling on her followers to give is a plus, not a minus.

[LisaL]

37. States generally don't like other states telling them what to do.

She is not going to help as far as I am concerned.

[pat_k]

39. I don't see this as "telling GA what to do" -- it's a call for donations to GA-based orgs.

I don't see what is "out of line" about trying to drum up support from around the country. Elections corrupted by suppression affect us all. Supporting efforts to ensure fair elections in every state should be a major issue for us all.

[rwsanders]

51. Shhh! Your missing the point, she's

(dare I say it) progressive (OH NO, Ah just spilled mah swate tae!)
She must be corrected when ever she speaks.

[Nimble_Idea]

71. lol

heaven to betsy, samone get mah smell'n salts!

[BainsBane]

49. I think it's best she not make statements about it

Southerners really don't like Northerners in their business.

[Nimble_Idea]

72. keep talking

and dem Northernors will get up all in yah biz just like last time

[progressoid]

38. She's encouraging people to give $ to help - including Stacey Abrams' Fight Fair Action organization

That's a good thing.

DU even has a page dedicated to giving to GA.

[Bettie]

84. Right?

I thought it was a good thing too. More money is never a bad thing in politics.

[treestar]

64. +1 million zillion

She has no idea what she is talking about.

[radius777]

113. AOC has the right to speak her mind,

regardless of what some older white Dems think.

She is exactly correct that there has been a long history of voter suppression in many southern states, including GA.

[pat_k]

31. Spot On!!

I know everyone has probably been giving all they can, but if you can squeeze out a little more, the organizations can all use every bit of help we can muster. (I went for Fair Fight Action).

[JoeOtterbein]

43. K n R ! Thanks for posting!....

....cause I love our next SOTH!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. She is exactly right!

[Lucinda]

47. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[democrank]

50. K & R

[fishwax]

53. I'm glad she's using her platform to raise funds for the fight to keep turning georgia blue

Stacey Abrams has done such an amazing job in that state over the last couple of years, and AOC offering praise and drawing financial support for Stacey's organization, along with other worthwhile organizations involved with the fight.

She's not telling georgia or georgians what to do. She's telling her fans and followers to give whatever they can to the people leading the fight in Georgia. That's pretty clearly a good thing.

[RandiFan1290]

58. K&R

I absolutely LOVE how much this bothers the right wingers.


Giving more! Thank you Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez!

[progressoid]

66. She does seem to ruffle some feathers.

And I love it!

[melman]

94. .

[Nimble_Idea]

68. LOVE AOC!!

let's brings down these good old boys

[KG]

99. I lulz'd

the butt-hurt in this thread.

[Celerity]

104. +1

[Calista241]

105. Has she ever set foot here? I live here and I'd disagree with her. n/t

[questionseverything]

106. Stacey has been all over the tv and the net trying to raise money

Aoc is supporting her by getting her followers to help raise money for Stacey


If you have a problem with helping the woman (Stacey) that turned Georgia blue you are probably not happy at du in general

[Calista241]

134. I had the privilege to vote for Stacy Abrams, unlike most of the people in this thread.

Lots of Georgians will disagree with AOC's statement about Georgia. Wishing for something doesn't make it so, and saying something like this sets expectations that are unlikely to be met.

[questionseverything]

135. So Stacey is all over the tv and net trying to raise money

She has already proved the state can go blue as in the presidential race, but you would like aoc and Stacey to stop with the false hope?

Or as you said,”the expectations that are unlikely to be met”

[Autumn]

117. Such a refreshing young woman. I'm happy to see that our young leaders of the future realize

that they have to speak to the voters of America who have no representation in their areas.