Trump voters sue to stop PA certification, say will provide the evidence later. Not the Onion

[yellowcanine]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/i-have-never-seen-this-before-legal-expert-stunned-by-argument-in-latest-trump-voter-fraud-lawsuit/

A lawsuit filed by Trump voters in Pennsylvania has taken a novel approach by asking the courts to delay certification of the state’s election results — and then promising to deliver evidence that would justify that decision in a future lawsuit.

Election law attorney Marc Elias on Friday flagged what he believes is an unprecedented argument in a Pennsylvania voter fraud lawsuit in which the plaintiffs say they “intend” to provide proof of their claims at some point in the future.


Their lawyer should be disbarred. This is getting absurd.

[Alpeduez21]

1. A nonzero number of lawyers

are acting unethically, I believe.

[RainCaster]

2. I will pay you on Tuesday for a hamberder today...

That is what I'm hearing from this action. Definitely not the A team.

[pfitz59]

3. Filing multiple frivolous suits is actually a felony

and can lead to disbarment. Time for the Courts to up the ante.

[lagomorph777]

34. +1 Make them pay for their crimes.

[crickets]

46. Some sort of pushback is needed or this nonsense will never end. nt

[beachbumbob]

4. It's a nonstarter.

[dware]

5. I can't believe that the lawyer actually believes that a judge will

grant them the motion without evidence backing up their motion.
Unfuckingbelievable.

[BComplex]

7. I don't know: with the way the republicans have STACKED THE COURTS, there are enough idiot

judges out there (like Amy Coney Barrett) who would gladly let them do any crazy assed thing they want.

[dware]

11. Not even R judges are going along with this nonsense,

many lawsuits have already been tossed by R judges.

[Merlot]

6. Will they be disbarred or at least disciplined for this behavior?

[Blue Owl]

8. Grasping at straws in the last throes of desperation...

It's sad, really...

[Newest Reality]

9. Does that mean...

Does that mean they would also try and convict somebody based on evidence they intend to provide someday?

Habeas Corpus, anyone? Do they have pouches instead of briefcases? I smell kangaroos.

[mr_lebowski]

10. Is this the case the law firm just backed away from or yet another insane pile of shit they're

throwing against the wall?

Newsflash assholes ... with AZ in the bag, PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE OUTCOME ANYMORE.

[exboyfil]

12. So long as Georgia or Nevada holds

I think they are suing in various ways in up to six states so far (PA, MI, WI, GA, AZ, and NV).

History books are not going to treat this well.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. His campaign just dropped a lawsuit in AZ

Trump campaign drops Arizona lawsuit requesting review of ballots

Source: CNN

(CNN)Lawyers for the Trump campaign have dropped a lawsuit seeking a review of all ballots cast on Election Day after finding that the margin of victory for the presidential contest in Arizona could not be overcome.

The Trump campaign filed the lawsuit on Saturday alleging some voters were confused on Election Day and feared that their ballots were not counted if the vote tabulation machines classified their ballots as overvotes. They were seeking a hand review of any ballots flagged by the machine as overvotes alleging it could result in thousands of votes for President Donald Trump.

CNN has projected that President-elect Joe Biden will win the state.


This story is breaking and will be updated.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/arizona-trump-lawsuit/index.html

Based on the PA elections site, Biden is up by 59,230 and almost at 50%.

[Ms. Toad]

33. Hard to call these attorneys smart -

but at least they seem to have some instinct for self-preservation.

fewer than 200 is not thousands.

Aside from the ridiculous notion that the ballots were flagged as over-votes and the voters were not told of the implications (the over-voted race will not count), and were not given the opportunity to correct.

The machines flag ballots - and ask for an affirmative decision to proceed anyway - when there is an overvote. If you choose not to proceed, you fix your ballot and try again.

[napi21]

13. If they ever get to a vourt the judge will laugh hard & toss them out! You can't sue & say I'll

tell you why LATER! What a bunch of JAs.

[malaise]

14. ROFL

[ffr]

15. I must say, the desperation is DELICIOUS!!

[MyMission]

16. Maybe the evidence was accidentally attached to his recent tax returns

And now he can't show it to us until the IRS completes the audit!

But WE know there's no evidence, except what they are trying to manufacture.

He's a lying liar!

[Midnightwalk]

17. You don't need to win cases to keep raising money

You just need to keep filing suits. Losing drives more contributions.

Not saying that’s the plan, but there is no downside to trump for filing frivolous suits.

Tying things up in court is a strategy that has worked for him.

It’s all just second nature to him.

[klook]

24. Correct: "Trump fundraising emails for legal defense would also pay down campaign debt"

from thegrio.com:

More than half of any donation for Donald Trump’s “election defense” fund could go toward paying down debt from the president’s campaign, according to the fine print written on emails sent to donors.

Part of the reason Trump won’t concede is narcissism.

But it’s also about money.

He can raise a lot of money convincing millions of people that he needs cash to expose the biggest fraud in American history.

If he concedes, that grift is over.

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) November 7, 2020
Demanding a recount in Wisconsin and other battleground states that delivered a victory to Biden on Saturday, Trump and his campaign say that there are too many “irregularities” with Wisconsin’s ballots to trust the outcome. But the Trump campaign has not produced any evidence that supports the accusation.

- More at link: https://thegrio.com/2020/11/08/trump-campaign-email-text-debt/

[TlalocW]

18. I had an uncle - he was the only boy in the family, had four sisters

They were kids in the 30s, grew up on a small farm in Kansas. Whenever we had family get-togethers, part of the memories passed around was teasing him with stories about whenever they played a game, if he were losing, he would always try to change the rules.

This election has reminded me a lot of those stories.

TlalocW

[Eyeball_Kid]

20. Trump's metastatement:

The judge who hears this suit is an abject idiot who doesn't know the law, doesn't know how to listen, doesn't know how to think, and is hanging on Trump's every hair follicle. I'm sure that the presiding judge will get the nuance.

[BlueWavePsych]

21. K&R

[SergeStorms]

22. Trust us.

We have the proof, but we have to translate it from Russian to English. Since most of us have trouble reading English this might take awhile.

[Butterflylady]

23. Things I'm reading here and other sites are just to

Comical even a seasoned comedian couldn't come up with some of stuff I'm reading. The only thing they're accomplishing is to show how dumb they are.

[Pepsidog]

25. Please put that house for sale on the beach on hold cause I intent to win the lottery.

[Illumination]

26. Are we going to start burning people @ the stake because we believe conspiracies?

This is absolute b.s.!...Needs to be STOPPED!...

[Harker]

32. I should buy Kingsford stock. n/t

[lame54]

27. The Wimpy defense

[Harker]

31. Yes, and a wimpy Wimpy defense, at that. n/t

[lagomorph777]

37. Heee!

[Harker]

41. ...

[Marcuse]

40. J. Wellington Wimpy, Attorney at Law. Licensed to practice in the State of Delusion.

[JohnnyRingo]

28. Stop the presses!!

Man bites dog. Film at 11.

[world wide wally]

29. There is no law against bringing frivilous lawsuits?

[Ms. Toad]

30. Without haivng looked at the full complaint (dangerous . . . )

If they are seeking injunctive relief (maintaining the status qo), part of the basis of proving the right to injunctive relief is proving a likelihood of success on the merits.

That is, at a minimum, walking right up to the Rule 11 (sanctions) canyon and peering over the edge.

[SunSeeker]

35. Yes, these lawyers should be disbarred.

[Orrex]

36. The attorney also offered to gladly pay the judge Tuesday for a hamburger today

[Politicub]

38. Wooooooooo ooooooo. I'm the ghost of evidence future...

Wooooo ooooo oooooo.

[NCjack]

39. It takes a little time to manufacture evidence that will stand up in court. And,

that stuff is expensive, more than the cash receipts of 2 Trump rallies. But, if Your Honor will just give us a couple of weeks, the court will not be disappointed.

[C Moon]

42. They're waiting for the fake ballots to be completed, and for DeJoy to post mark them.

[Wounded Bear]

43. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today...

[honest.abe]

44. The very definition of a frivolous lawsuit.

These people and lawyers should be fined .

[calimary]

45. Are you fucking KIDDING me?

And -
Are you fucking KIDDING me? Part 2: The judge hasn't thrown out this case already?

And -
Are you fucking KIDDING me? Part 3: There's no effort yet - to get a lawyer pushing this kind of "defense" DISBARRED"?

[duforsure]

47. The republicans just want to go fishing

To manufacture false claims like they've done to Hilary, Biden, and many others. Accuse without evidence, then find anything they can to use to claim something with it . Where's the judge at , they should be threatened with losing the law license over doing that.

[czarjak]

48. Republicans...

Always “getting there”. Ask Issa.

[Yavin4]

49. These judges need to start issuing sanctions unless they can show evidence

They're wasting court resources with this nonsense.