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Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:20 AM Nov 2020

Biden considering Sen. Angus King for DNI Chief

I don't like Biden plucking any senators at all, but Maine does have a Democratic governor. But not sure I'm trusting special elections right now and Maine isn't exactly the most trustworthy state.

The ONLY way this makes sense to me is if Sen. King has maybe relayed to Biden that he doesn't plan on running for re-election, so it'll be easier for the Dems to run with a Dem already in the seat, rather than a full out open seat.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/biden-angus-king-for-intelligence-436462

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Biden considering Sen. Angus King for DNI Chief (Original Post) Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 OP
no no no. I do not trust ME at all. ME-2 is full stop Rumperville and those MAGAts up there carried Celerity Nov 2020 #1
I agree. Not feeling this at all... Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #3
and NY, the rest no way, as MD, RI, MA, VT etc play footsie with Rethugs on occasion Celerity Nov 2020 #7
RI is the third bluest state in the nation. Totally Tunsie Nov 2020 #23
I agree bdamomma Nov 2020 #27
... Totally Tunsie Nov 2020 #29
Looking at history, RI has elected some R's Celerity Nov 2020 #31
TY.. you mistyped Biden's name, though. Cha Nov 2020 #2
Fixed! Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #4
Thanks.. I knew Cha Nov 2020 #5
he is an Independent KT2000 Nov 2020 #6
King caucuses with Democrats, this is a distinction without a difference. tritsofme Nov 2020 #8
Of course but KT2000 Nov 2020 #25
He is counted as a Democrat for purposes of who is the majority and the minority. former9thward Nov 2020 #28
I'd rather he chose Malcom Nance n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #9
No BlueInPhilly Nov 2020 #26
Would the other Senator from Maine be interested? Rstrstx Nov 2020 #10
Collins? She just got re-elected and is a republican Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #19
King is 76 and has four years left in his current Senate term DFW Nov 2020 #11
I am from Maine and I do trust Angus King. peacefreak2.0 Nov 2020 #12
From what I've seen and heard of King, Totally Tunsie Nov 2020 #30
Maine elects Republicans. ..bad idea. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #13
Angus King isn't Republican. The problem is getting the right candidate to fit the state. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #17
Agreed. Leave the Senators alone. underpants Nov 2020 #14
I think... Mike Nelson Nov 2020 #15
IF, he can be replaced by another Democrat, the obvious question then is, who ? Sara Gideon is OnDoutside Nov 2020 #16
You can't put in Gideon who ran against Collins Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #20
Which is what I said about Gideon, if you can't beat the hideous OnDoutside Nov 2020 #21
I don't know Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #22
He would surely have come out and batted it down if there was OnDoutside Nov 2020 #24
No current senators should be picked Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #18

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
1. no no no. I do not trust ME at all. ME-2 is full stop Rumperville and those MAGAts up there carried
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:39 AM
Nov 2020

the despicable Collins over the line state-wide, plus gave Rump 1 EV. That may not sound like much (the one EV) BUT if I shift (atm) 45,000 or so (that is how close we came to losing the POTUS atm, despite a 6 million plus raw popular vote lead) votes in just 3 states (WI, GA, AZ) that one ME-2 EV would guarantee Trump was re-elected (and via the worst possible way (one sure to cause massive violence), via a 269-269 tie with the House electing him as the Rethugs control 26 state delegations, the bare minimum needed). IF Rump had lost ME-2, Biden would have won even losing all 3 of those states.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
3. I agree. Not feeling this at all...
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:42 AM
Nov 2020

I hope he puts an informal ban on selecting any senator. We do horrible in special elections and I trust no state right now, except maybe California or Hawaii.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
23. RI is the third bluest state in the nation.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:30 AM
Nov 2020

When are we "playing footsie" with the Repigs? I don't believe Senators Whitehouse and Reed or Reps. Cicillini and Langavin would agree!

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
31. Looking at history, RI has elected some R's
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:11 PM
Nov 2020

Other than one term of Sundlun at the very start of the 1990's, you did not have a Dem governor for almost 30 years, until Chafee switched parties.

Before Whitehouse, the last time a Dem was elected in that seat was 1970 (Pastore). The other seat was always Blue since 1937 (Green, Pell, now Reed).

Obviously the state is a blue state, but it has had a history of electing some Republicans. Hopefully those days never return.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
11. King is 76 and has four years left in his current Senate term
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:59 AM
Nov 2020

Depending on Maine's laws for succession, if an appointee by the governor serves out the rest of his term, there is plenty of time for the new senator to get some name recognition, as well as build up a constituency. The governor, as the 700 year old knight in the third Indiana Jones film recommended, should choose "wisely." Keep in mind that as a popular former governor of Maine, King's endorsement of his successor for election to a full term would go a long way, even in fickle Maine.

At 76, it is quite possible that King didn't plan to run again anyway, and he is VERY knowledgeable on defense matters. Biden's people are not stupid. I'm sure King was contacted discreetly before this was ever leaked to the public. I haven't talked with him since 2014--at a defense-related event in Maine, fittingly enough--but he was a very youthful 70 back then, and I'm sure he could handle the position capably.

If his appointed successor serves out his term under Maine law, I'd say there is little downside. If a special election has to be held in 2022, that is another matter entirely.

peacefreak2.0

(1,023 posts)
12. I am from Maine and I do trust Angus King.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:02 AM
Nov 2020

I find him to be intelligent, measured and accessible. He would be a huge loss in the Senate, but would bring a sorely missed sense of integrity.
As far as Janet Mills, don’t underestimate her. She has been a steady hand in keeping Maine safe in the time of Covid. After the bombastic era of Lepage, she’s doing what needs to be done.
Yes, we are reeling from Gideon’s loss. She fought a good, hard campaign and I think $$$ finally won.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
30. From what I've seen and heard of King,
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:50 PM
Nov 2020

my impression of him has been favorable. He seems like a man who gives thought to his opinions and deeds, and he has often been in support of Democratic policy. In fact, he strikes me as a "typical" Mainer...deep, silent, considered, and reasoned.

Pity about Gideon. I thought she has a good shot against Collins. Sorry she didn't make it.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
15. I think...
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:57 AM
Nov 2020

... if Biden picks any Republican Senators, they should be from states with Democratic Governors.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
16. IF, he can be replaced by another Democrat, the obvious question then is, who ? Sara Gideon is
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:13 AM
Nov 2020

clearly not the answer, after her poor showing against a generally despised incumbent. Who else is there in Maine that has the gravitas to take the seat, and most importantly, can retain that seat in 4 years time ?

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
20. You can't put in Gideon who ran against Collins
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:31 AM
Nov 2020

because she just lost. That looks like your subverting the will of the people. Honestly, a senate appointment from the governor of Maine is always a bad idea, but especially bad in this charged political climate.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
21. Which is what I said about Gideon, if you can't beat the hideous
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:56 AM
Nov 2020

Susan Collins, you shouldn't be given the opportunity if King moved on. The question I did ask though, was who would be a Democratic replacement of stature if King did go.

The idea of replacing him with 4 years to go, isn't a bad idea, as it allows the replacement a long lead in time to get their track record with which to fight an election on.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
18. No current senators should be picked
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:25 AM
Nov 2020

and none should give up their seats (other than Harris, obviously). Granted the governor gets to appoint in Maine, but Mainers will be pissed they didn't get to pick and the republicans will whine endlessly about the dem governor Mills being able to pick. I think that will make that person weak for re-election because they were not directly selected by Mainers in the first place and then we'll end up will with a Republican senator the next time.

https://ballotpedia.org/Filling_vacancies_in_the_U.S._Senate
Gubernatorial appointment
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