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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:40 PM

Don't prosecute Trump so the nation can heal.

BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking for myself -- the ONLY way I feel I can ever heal from what the Orange Piece of Shit did to this country and is to see him prosecuted to the max. If he gets to slide -- like he has done for all of his life -- what the hell!?!?!?!? The pain I watched so many endure -- and I know we can all list the atrocities of the Trump presidency so there no need to list the abuse he heaped on this nation. I hurt, physically hurt, from seeing the horrendous pain he caused so many in our nation...and for the suffering of immigrants, too. I spent the last four years of my life scared to see what the hell sickening, hell-bent, hateful and resentful acts Trump and his goons were perpetrating against those least able to protect themselves.

I am STILL resentful of Ford for pardoning Nixon. And...what Nixon did pales in comparison to the Orange Asshole.

A PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. FUCK TRUMP AND FEED HIM PEANUTS!!!!! PUT HIM IN PRISON AND LET HIM SIT IN ISOLATION FOR THE REST OF HIS USELESS LIFE.

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Reply Don't prosecute Trump so the nation can heal. (Original post)
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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:42 PM

1. I gave you your first rec, along with my total agreement!

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:43 PM

4. Thank you!

I am listening to a discussion about prosecuting Trump and as far as I am concerned...there is NO ISSUE about this. Let him stand as an example of what happens when you harm the U.S.A.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:50 PM

84. I believe that one of the first things Biden should do is to create a ...

Presidential Crime Commission.

I want everyone who enabled Pendejo45 to be accountable for their actions.
That includes Congress (Senate & House), Cabinet Members, Staff and Family.

We are either a nation of laws or we are a Banana Republic.
We can't have it both ways and say we're a nation of laws but
then act like a Banana Republic.

Subpoena and prosecute the lot of them.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:16 AM

146. Exactly. As Samuel L Jackson said in Pulp Fiction:

https://figuresnfilms.com/2020/02/13/samuel-l-jacksons-monologue-at-the-end-of-pulp-fiction-ezekiel-2517/
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brotherís keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:42 PM

2. We won't be able to heal until he IS prosecuted!

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:44 PM

6. I agree TOTALLY!!!!

Too bad someone did not use time out on him when it might have done some good. Coddled, self-centered POS!

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:57 PM

58. Let's not forget all our republican congress persons who coddled him,

and basically and literally let him get away with murder. 2022 election is right around the corner.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:58 AM

155. If they go after Trump without reminding people who enabled him they're missing dessert.

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:32 PM

39. Exactly!

Healing can be painful along the way. I suppose this healing would be for some, but not for me!

Though...☹️ call me lacking vision, but I just donít see prosecution happening. This is not based on any smarts or scholarship on my part, more a visceral reaction. I guess based on *almost* 60 years of being an American. I hope I am wrong. I am not infrequently surprised with people coming through with an action 180 degrees off what I expected. Maybe I need to get some different colored glasses.

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Response to PutGramaOnThePhone (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:51 PM

85. Federal crimes will get a pardon (by Pence, probably) but...

State crimes, though, will be prosecuted ( re: "but I just donít see prosecution happening" ), including slowing down the mail. Many states are talking of using RICO procedures on that alone.

A nation of "law and order" cannot let any felon off the hook. Otherwise, it would be an incentive to come back (in 2024, for instance) AND DO WORSE DAMAGES (like install a dictatorship).

LOCK.HIM.UP

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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #85)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:33 PM

101. Even if he somehow gets pardoned for federal crimes, 70,000,000 voters and all FOX

TV viewers need to know exactly what he is being pardoned for.

Furthermore, all future would be mobsters need to see that they will get caught and pay.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #101)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:44 PM

108. Fully agreed. The House HAS to set up a Federal Crimes Commission to examine them all.

And make public all the Federal crimes he committed, even after they will be pardoned pre-emptively.

All the corruption, campaign-finance (and inauguration) felonies, Hatch Act violations, Emoluments clause violations, et al.

LOCK.HIM.UP

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:05 PM

65. BOOM!!! THIS!!! YES, I'm SHOUTING!!!

NO letting trump off the hook.

What kind of message does THAT send to future bad guys and wannabe bad guys?

Oh we have to come together and move on peace love dope.

Oh YEAH?????

FUCK THAT SHIT.

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Response to calimary (Reply #65)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:16 PM

72. ALL OF THAT - plus.......

(as much as I LOVE her!) we can NOT hear "THAT IS OFF OF THE TABLE" from Madam Speaker Pelosi!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #72)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:18 PM

120. Madame

Speaker must hear from us all, call it out as it is GENOCIDE. And it's being done right in front of us.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #120)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:11 PM

129. Absitively and Posolutely!

Why should we let him skate? To "take the high road"?

What kind of message does that send into history - AND into the FUTURE???

The message is - you can get away with this shit if you're shrewd enough, slippery enough, and never give up or give in. And NEVER apologize OR admit you were wrong. If he's allowed to get away unpunished, without having to face some pretty serious penalties for what he's done, it will telegraph unmistakably that this shit is okay. Somebody even more weasely than donald is bound to come along someday and maybe out trump trump. After all, there's that rather pointed phrase attributed tp P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute." I guess that's the "Trumpian" twist on what Wolf Blitzer said today, about how there's one American dying of COVID every minute. Sadly ironic.

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Response to calimary (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

143. With ya 100%.

This cannot stand.

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:20 PM

94. Precisely! No healing without prosecutions! nt

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:43 PM

3. Healing through prison

let's try the correct route this time.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:44 PM

5. Dubya already used up that get-out-of-jail card

And we all saw the lesson the GOP took from that under Obama.

If Biden makes the same mistake Obama did, then he deserves what he gets.

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:07 PM

26. The Iran-Contra criminals used their card also, and many of them resurfaced during Dim Sons reign.

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Response to SaintLouisBlues (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:24 PM

30. Even Elliot Abrams is back

in red don's maladministration.

[link:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elliott-abrams-failed-trumps-mission-to-overthrow-venezuela%E2%80%94now-he-will-take-on-iran/ar-BB17EDWy|]

currently apparently trying to foment war with Iran.



convicted felon...then pardoned by another puke criminal, bush sr.:

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/08/us/elliott-abrams-admits-his-guilt-on-2-counts-in-contra-cover-up.html|]

Just amazing that these crooks keep on ticking.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:45 PM

7. Peanuts? No way.

Feed him cat food like he was hoping seniors would have to eat after he gutted their social security.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:49 PM

14. Cat food would actually be better for him than the shit he eats now.

It's very high in protein and maybe it would at least give him a glossy coat. I'd rather keep feeding him KFC and Big Macs until the cholesterol takes its final toll.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:46 PM

8. No he needs to be exposed and the American people need to learn how much he sold this country

Out for his personal gain. His magas need to be ashamed to ever admit they voted for him. The cult needs to be deprogrammed. And he needs to be shamed and prosecuted for his dropping the ball with his terrible response to the Corona virus and the 250,000+ deaths.

And finally his name MF45 should be synonymous with Benedict Arnold.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:46 PM

9. Ford paid for pardoning Nixon by losing the 1976 election, but

he shouldn't have done it and it still pisses me off. I think Biden should stand back and let the DoJ (under new management, of course) go where the evidence leads them, and if they find they have a prosecutable case, go for it. Presidents can't be prosecuted while in office, as the current policy has it; and if they aren't prosecuted after they leave office just because they had been a president and the nation needs to heal, blah, blah, blah, the presidency becomes a get-out-of-jail-free card that allows a president who commits crimes to get away with them, and fuck the rule of law and the idea that nobody is above it.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:20 PM

169. I Agreed With Ford Completely

then and I still do today. Let's get these criminals gone and get on with living and building. I get your point, however I think the nation benefits from moving on. If he can be prosecuted by the states for pre-Presidential acts I could probably get on board.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:47 PM

10. Hear, hear.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:47 PM

11. Not just him, Barr and all the rest of the criminal regime.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:52 PM

86. Thank YOU!

 

Exactly! Take them all down and teach them a lesson that they will never forget. Fuck them!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:48 PM

12. No, prosecute the heel.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:48 PM

13. Completely agree with your post, not the headline. Justice demands it!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:49 PM

15. MAGAssholes will remain deplorable no matter what happens to Trump.

Prosecute the lying traitor to the fullest extent of the law....and then some.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:50 PM

16. i'm very bitter about this.

from nixon to reagan to bush to trump. if any one of the prior bad actors had suffered consequences, trump could not have happened.

i'm behind international hearings for the trump administration as their crimes affected people beyond our borders. but just let it go, no fucking way.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:52 PM

18. +1

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Response to barbtries (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:58 PM

23. Yep.

Letting the orders slide...bad example.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:14 PM

130. Exactly.

BTW you didn't mention both of the Bushes.

Each time we let one of these turds get away with their crimes, the next one is even worse. I can't imagine what will happen if Trump gets by with his.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:51 PM

17. NO ONE is above the LAW

if we do not prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, we SUCK.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:55 PM

20. There are a lot of suits that have been/will be filed at the state level.

I think those cases are the best way to deal with Mr. tRump.

Our new President has got a pretty full plate to deal with.

Just MHO

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:57 PM

22. I agree.

IMO, NY will get him first. They are locked and loaded on him and I am sure very soon, very very soon, after January 2021, Trump is going to have criminal charges pending. No doubt in my mind.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:56 PM

21. He has to be totally destroyed legally or he will be back in some way

2024.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:25 PM

127. The top hundreds

in his administration need to be indicted or they all will be back in some way or manner.......

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Response to doc03 (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

137. +1000

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:59 PM

24. This is not Nixon. Nixon screwed with the election and his opponents. This pissant has...

been stealing from the nation and its citizens. And while completely abandoning his oath and responsibilities of office, he has used that office enrich himself and his friends while punishing perceived enemies. Specifically criminal actions.

He cannot be allowed to get away with the only occurrence in our history of using the office for criminal purposes.

Harry Truman once said that one saving grace of our nation was that we never had a criminal in the White House; but he didn't live to see Watergate.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:01 PM

25. Also a pardon should be very specific

I know case law doesn't break that way, but I cannot believe that the Founding Fathers intended it to be a general absolution without admitting to specific crimes or at least stating which actions the pardon is intended for.

The one action those fleeing the draft took was refusal to be drafted. That widespread pardon only applied to that action. Bush's pardon of Iran-Contra suspects was specific to Iran-Contra.

Ford's pardon of Nixon was insanely broad. He used the justification that Nixon had already paid the ultimate price by giving up the Office of the President (BS he wasn't entitled to it) and that it would years until the legal proceedings ended (long past Nixon's political "life".

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:12 PM

27. Nixon's underlings and vindictive traits infected the U.S. Government after he wasn't prosecuted.

Partly because Nixon was not made as an example and been prosecuted to the full extent of the law to scare the hell out those that carried on his twisted traits and spread throughout the Republican Party.

As George W. Bush would say: 'Fool me once.. can't be fooled again.'

Donald Dumbass tRUMP needs to be prosecuted and punished for everything he has done, and his family and underlings need the same fucking treatment. It needs to be a top priority with a Special Counsel separate from normal gov't functions to keep from bogging the U.S. Government down and taking up their time cleaning up the tRUMP/Republican shitfest... Also because EVERYTHING needs to be examined for wrongdoing, corruption, theft, and ill gotten positions with the Republican Party acting as a co-conspirator, and exposed to the American People. Every Shit Stain from tRUMP down connected to the Republican Cabal need to be fully prosecuted, severely punished, and persecuted from the U.S. Government forever and their followers need to be shamed as very Anti-American.

This country can never be redeemed until there is a reckoning for the illegal activity that has been taking place for years and possibly decades in elected* offices and possible judicial picks. No more covering shit up to just get along, because it ONLY invites dangerous escalation that was on the verge of destroying the United States forever.

*Another possible victim between legal and ill-gotten.

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Response to WyattKansas (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:10 PM

70. Case in point, Roger Stone -- one of several keystones

in collusion with Russia to steal the election.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:16 PM

28. By not fully prosecuting trump it will make the American people trust this government less

And make more people not vote for Democrats again, and it would only increase more criminals to run for office. Our leaders should be held to a higher standard with full consequences for criminal acts , not allowed a free pass or Democracy WILL fail. The American people need a government we can trust, and get the complete truth , instead of hiding it from us, and more people then become distrustful of the government. We deserve the whole truth from what's happened here, nothing less.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:23 PM

29. It is time to send a message....Nixon "ran a stop sign" compared to Trump!!!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:25 PM

31. Where the fuck is this being reported?

N/a

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:25 PM

32. He's going to leave office with a pardon for federal crimes

So itís pretty much a moot point after that. The State of NY stuff might be interesting though.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:54 PM

57. If he pardons himself, which, given his ego, is likely

I wonder if, how, where and when it will be challenged, and by whom.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:59 PM

60. I don't think that's the route he would go

I think heíll resign, probably the morning of 1/20, or on the eve of the inauguration, and Pence will pardon him. As you alluded to, pardoning himself might be technically possible but would still leave him with serious legal exposure if it were ever challenged.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #60)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:04 PM

64. I used to believe that. I'm lately more convinced of how deluded he is

I don't think it's all theater; I do believe he is losing his tethers to reality.

So, I expect him to pardon himself. In this case, I hope his delusion prevails, and that he gambled wrong.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #64)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:05 PM

66. I hope he does too but question whether he'll risk it in the end. Time will tell.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #64)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:33 PM

115. Somehow we have to hide all the pens & paper until

after the inauguration. Look him in Melania's bathroom closet?



His criminality isn't funny, but the idea of tricking g him out of a self pardon does strike me as humorous.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #60)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:30 PM

98. I think that would be more likely because

it would give him an escape from having to show the customary graciousness toward his successor. For Trump, that's just as important.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #98)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:12 PM

112. Yes exactly

That is a benefit for him for sure.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:43 PM

107. Pardon himself is creative nonsense. If he tries it should be ignored.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:27 PM

33. Well said.

Hear! Hear!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:29 PM

34. "You'll heal if you just don't drain that abcess!" Dangerously delusional thinking.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:29 PM

35. prosecute for LEGAL crimes

part of the problem is in your (and many others) lack of specificity.

"the abuse he heaped on this nation." ..... "what the hell sickening, hell-bent, hateful and resentful acts Trump and his goons were perpetrating against those least able to protect themselves."

shitty policy and an absence of morals -- are not (de-facto) against the law. If specific laws were abridged -- then certainly -- "Go for it!" But all the muddled thinking about "the damage and misery caused" -- nope -- that's the consequences of a failed political venture by the country. And people don't get prosecuted for ugly politics.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:50 PM

52. and that is precisely what investigations uncover

Follow the evidence, all of it. Then, and only then, can consequences be discussed and determined.

If lack of consequenes is determined beforehand, it essentially hamstrings any investigation.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:01 PM

61. or precludes

and I would not suggest such a course. As I said in my heading, any actual criminal behavior -- should always be on the table. It's the political stuff that seems to leave people muddled. (or at least that was my take)
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #61)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:08 PM

68. We're in agreement

But often, crimes are only discovered in the course of an investigation.

What *must* happen, is investigations into his predidency. Not just flushing it all down a memory hole, which is what so many of us wish we could wish for.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:29 PM

36. Simply switch roles. Proceed at ludicrous speed.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:30 PM

37. And let's try to work with Mitch to move America forward.

...and fuck that along with his horse too.

How about if the nation comes together and helps Joe Biden heal the country. I'm sorry, did I just hear republican heads explode?

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:31 PM

38. I guess I would have to say that every president in my lifetime

did something I didn't like at some point. Trump did things that greatly disturbed me every single day he was in office. I literally believe he commited felonies every day.

We are where we are at now because Richard Nixon didn't die in prison. If we don't put Trump in prison we don't deserve to exist as a country, and we won't for long.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:32 PM

40. chump and the rethug party are a killing cancer on America

It's time for major surgery and extended chemo to rid the country of their disease.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:34 PM

41. I will heal better if he goes to prison for his crimes.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:37 PM

42. I've been saying this for a long time.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, he enabled Iran-Contra. I actually think Iran-Contra was worse than Watergate. Pardons following from that further emboldened the "unitary executive" crowd who decided to start a war because they felt like it and encourage our troops to torture prisoners.

I still haven't forgiven Obama for deciding to "look forward" and not bring accountability to criminals from his predecessor's administration. I might never be able to.

Short-term "healing" cannot always take precedent over making examples of those who think they're above the law.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:37 PM

43. Oh, hell no!

Healing begins after prosecuting him, that worthless family and every Republican Party enabler, including the diners.

Not just no but oh hell no! PROSECUTION. PRISON!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:39 PM

44. Let New York and Scotland have him.

The IRS needs to have fun with all his family and associates.

As for his hateful decisions within the legal confines of the office ... no. Financial misdeeds - yes.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

170. Yes, This

have fun with his out-of-office crimes.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:39 PM

45. Agree 100%. I'm still upset that war crimes charges weren't persued against GW Bush.


Trump needs to be brought to justice.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:43 PM

46. It is not (only) about justice. It's about uncovering the depth and details of what happened

How do you move on when you don't even really know what happened?

How do you take corrective actions without knowing the extent of the damage?

How do you learn those things without vigorous and detailed investigations?

And how do you conduct legit investigations if, a priori, you decide to not hold anyone responsible?

That's why.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:49 PM

51. IMO, there are and were so many in his Admin that should be criminally prosecuted.

I, too, want to know who, when, how, where -- uncovering the depth of the bad acts.

I don't think this nation can heal until EVERYTHING is investigated.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:43 PM

47. He must be held accountable otherwise the rule of law is worthless.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:46 PM

48. Investigate and prosecute

No one is above the law. We probably don't even know all his crimes yet. Prosecution and conviction is a DETERANT to all elected officials, who corruptly take bribes, sell favors, lie under oath, and generally abuse the public trust. Justice is a virtue!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:48 PM

49. If he is not prosecuted,

the next wannabe dictator will be much worse!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:48 PM

50. The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly

Letting the states take bites out the Trump enterprises is a good thing. It will drain the Trumps of resources, & donors should be wary of giving him their money to take care of his personal problems. On the other hand, he wouldn't be the first huckster cult leader to skim his followers like that.

A complete tax review of the Trumps, likewise. Let the state of NY run its course here, civil & criminal. IRS process? No problem. Perhaps unlikely to result in a prosecution, but might empty his pocketbook permanently.

Running a high quality CI investigation is absolutely essential. Who knows what might come of that. It will be ugly.

Generating more tit-for-tat karma? No good at all. And don't give this monster or his puppet masters any national forum for more of his pity partying. The new admin is going to have way too many problems to allow its limited ability to influence the public to be sucked up by dealing with the Trumps.

On the other hand, a federal pardon may not be all bad, no matter who administers it. I don't think you can pardon for future crimes. Once he's pardoned, he loses some 5th amendment protection, & remains vulnerable to perjury. In that case a complete federal examination of his administration is in order & he can put all his friends & family in prison and/or join them himself if he choses to lie. That should work well for everyone on the receiving end of it all.


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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:51 PM

53. If a person violates the law and is not punished, are their actions against the law?

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:53 PM

54. Failure to follow through with exposing his crimes just paves the road for the next wannabe dictator

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:53 PM

55. Count Every Legal Crime!

Simple.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:53 PM

56. Peanuts are way too tasty. He should be fed exactly what he doesn't like to eat in solitary

 

confinement! He could have a TV that constantly talks about all his abuses, along with info about all the many people he doesn't like, etc. He also needs all his properties & assets seized...

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:59 PM

59. Nope. Then we'd have every criminal racing to become a Republican leader to avoid justice.

It would be bad if that happened.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:01 PM

62. Credit to "Suicide Squad" - Put him in a hole and throw away the hole (n/t)

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:04 PM

63. We "moved on" after Nixon

and we ended up with Reagan. We "moved on" from Reagan and ended up with BushII. We "moved on" after that and ended up with this bastard and all the death and disease he's caused. We can't move on again.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:07 PM

67. If this is allowed to happen without consequences, our democracy is officially over.

Trump is bad, but he could well be the gateway to something even worse if he isn't held accountable.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:54 AM

151. Absolutely Vinca

A few things here.
It's the purview of the DOJ to pursue Trump's crimes. Both statutory and crimes against the Constitution. After convincing a third of the electorate the DOJ is crooked, I believe the DOJ is ready and willing. Leave Biden out of it for appearance of partisanship.

Moreover Trump's followers. As many as possible need to be shown how they were duped. The financials, tax returns, emolument violations, his DNA, his whole families dirty dealing need to be brought to light to show once and for all who was fake; Trump and FOX or genuine media. FOX is still alive and well and will wield the propaganda to sway the electorate into autocratic disaster. This election was hideously too close for me to have a good feeling about it.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:09 PM

69. To have to watch him brag how "they had nothing on me"

How because they didn't proceed with any investigations or charges, meant it all really WAS a witchhunt.

And him using that claim to garner support to start his own network where he will double down on the stolen election, and chide and insult President Biden daily, without consequence.

NO.....just NO. I hope the Dem leadership learned a lesson last time, but I doubt it. They will say.....look, we had a two term Obama admin despite, and maybe BECAUSE we let Bush and Cheney, and all the war profiteers and torture enablers, and Wall Street CEOs weasel out of any consequences. I suspect they will once again circle the wagons, and see any advancement of justice for Trump, his family, or his corrupt sycophants, as being a threat to a second term. Long term consequences don't seem to matter.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:11 PM

71. It's not about healing. It's about the rule of law, accountability, and DETERRENCE.

Those in positions of power should NEVER be above the law.

More than anyone else, a president must be held accountable -- and not just at the ballot box.

If we FAIL to prosecute for crimes committed at the highest reaches of our government, we should expect even WORSE down the road.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:20 PM

73. That was the rationale with Nixon

It was wrong then. It was wrong now.
The lack of doing anything about it contributed to where we find ourselves.

Reagan and Iran Contra. Wrong then and wrong now.

Crooks like Trump need to realize there are consequences for their actions.
That they are not above the law.
Republicans love to talk about deterrents to justify blacks getting locked up.
But the precious white rich guy crook? Oh no, they can't have that.
Trump talks about nailing Mexican rapists .. while he rapes the country of its values and loots it financially.

Trump has killed more Americans than anyone else in history - for his own self interests.
Think about that.
A person who does that should walk away free as a bird?

Lock him up and throw the keys away.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:29 PM

74. We tried that after the Civil War & 155 years later

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVENíT HEALED OUR RACISM!!

No forgiveness without honest repentance and reparations. We need a truth and reconciliation commission. And 45 needs to be locked up.

Barr and McConnell need prison, too, or itís toothless for posterity.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:30 PM

75. NY will

I donít see SDNY letting Trump off.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:30 PM

76. No fucking way. Anyone that proposes that has lost my support.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:31 PM

77. We need closure, not 'healing'... lock him up.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:33 PM

78. Totally agree. My memory goes back the the Nixon pardon and the Iran-Contra debacle,

and the 2000 election (and the 2016 election and Trump's impeachment but not removal, grrrrr...)

"Playing nice" doesn't work.

And while we're at it, could we put serious money into public school education and figuring out a way of getting right wing radio off the airwaves, and formally call Fox NOT A NEWS CHANNEL: FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY.

Thank you, DU, for giving me place to rant.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:35 PM

79. New York

Doesnt especially care about national unity.
Just crime.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:44 PM

80. I'm still pissed ....

...at Obama for not prosecuting the whole Bush kabal.

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Response to BradBo (Reply #80)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

141. that was sickening

a HUGE blunder

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:46 PM

81. His whole famiily in jail is the cure for what ails me

Incarceration is the cure.
He will be remembered as one of histories most evil mass murderers.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:47 PM

82. It is the only way to heal, JUSTICE !!!!!!

 

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:49 PM

83. Amen.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:00 PM

87. Lock him up!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:02 PM

88. MAGA will never heal. Only the rest of us might.

To let Trump escape consequences only appeals to Maggots and wonít change their hatred anyway.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:06 PM

89. What/ who specifically are you responding to OP? No one is

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above the law, who is saying otherwise?

The only ones who think otherwise IMHO are the true cultists and arent going to be "healed," no matter what. They will always find some other reason to hate Liberals and those they onsider to be RINO's.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:11 PM

90. People in government

should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. They have so much responsibility and they set the example for the rest of the country.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:12 PM

91. I'm afraid that he might die from natural causes before they ever convict him of

anything. He will have the support and resources to pull out all of the legal stops to try to prolong this in the legal system for as long as possible.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:18 PM

92. Yup. It's completely backwards.

PROSECUTE Trump, so that the nation can heal.

There will be no healing until the damaging agent is removed.

You don't recover from poison by ignoring the poison in your system.
You don't recover from disease by ignoring the disease.
You don't heal, without removing the thing doing the damage.

Prosecuting = our immune response to the trump virus.

Our body has an immune system composed of white blood cells, antibodies, etc. It helps us heal.

Our nation has an immune system of judges and prisons. Allow it to help us heal.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:18 PM

93. Let Karma be Karma

If we hold to the belief that no one is above the law Humpty Trumpty should have a fair trial and let the chips fall where they may. To let him skate would do more damage to this country. A full and fair and open investigation of all the crimes this administration has done followed by trials and appropriate punishment of all the offenders would send a message loud and clear and go a long way to healing this country. The maggots will never be assuaged so fuck em.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:25 PM

95. If we don't hold Trump accountable, we'll get another Trump.

It's as simple as that.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #95)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:50 PM

123. 👆 This! And the next "trump" will be smart and charming, instead of stupid and odious.

And MORE than half the country will go along with it.

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #123)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:08 PM

124. Yes, imagine if Trump had been evil and smart instead of evil and stupid. nt

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:29 PM

96. It's not about revenge but safeguards

If Trump's transgressions and illegalities are allowed to pass with no repercussions, then it becomes that much easier for the next scumbag to exploit the position more fully. "Slippery slope" arguments might be logical fallacies, but that doesn't mean they can't hold warnings.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:30 PM

97. Very important: Lock him up so that he has no access to social media.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:33 PM

99. That which is not punished is encouraged.

If we let it go without punishment, it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.

The punishment need to be exemplary.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:33 PM

100. Agreed

If we let him get away with it the gop will do it again Remember nixon, reagan if we let this go they will do worse, so no fu**ing way.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:34 PM

102. Yep. IF he has committed crimes, which we all know he has,

then he should be prosecuted.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:36 PM

103. The one thing the idiot did ......

was to separate us from one another, and that will take a long time to overcome. What a pathetic legacy.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:38 PM

104. We don't prosecute Presidents, we prosecute crimes.


If proven he will have to be incarcerated in a special facility, perhaps a remodeled building on a secure base.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:38 PM

105. Prosecute and convict him of Treason and Genocide

Treason: Russian money-laundering and giving U.S. national security info to Putin
Genocide: criminal negligence resulting in upwards of quarter of a million Americans dead of Covid

Then hang him.
(Or make him a "deal" for life in prison instead.)
Either way, I'm good.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:41 PM

106. I want to have a BULLDOG

for Attorney General! This motherfuc**r needs to be tried and imprisoned if found guilty!!!!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:56 PM

110. Biden is handling it well: It's up to the DOJ.

It's also up to the DA's of:

NY, NJ, Il, Ca. and their equivalent in Panama, Scotland...and ?????

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:08 PM

111. Agree. Trump must be prosecuted to end the BS.

President Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. That created a precedent that led to a series of unprosecuted crimes committed in the Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2 administrations.

There must be repercussions, otherwise, this criminal behavior will go on and on.

Also, in prosecuting Trump, it may lead to a dissolution of his cult. Perhaps it might make him a martyr, but in prosecuting Trump, he will be eliminated as a serious candidate in 2024, and water down his influence on the Republican party.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:18 PM

113. He Will Be Prosecuted

New York is already gearing up to go after him for years of fraud, tax wise and otherwise. He is nothing but a career criminal scumbag. Plus a man who manage to go bankrupt after inheriting over 50 million.....so on top of everything he is incompetent.

Throw the book at this sub human.

And he and Nixon are different.....Nixon was much smarter and when push came to shove he resigned......pushed to do so when an extinct species, 3 Republican leaders with principles, Goldwater, Howard Baker, and Hugh Scott told him they could no longer support him so he was going to be impeached if he did not resign.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:31 PM

114. A reckoning is coming.

Trump will die in prison.

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Response to EmeraldCoaster (Reply #114)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:21 PM

121. I have thought this for a long time.

He has been so "in your face" about his criminal conduct. Offensive as hell. There are those of us who truly have been deeply offended and some of them are in NY where he committed many, many "paper" crimes such as bank fraud and tax evasion.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:52 PM

116. You know how they say capital punishment is supposed to be a deterrent to murder and

violent crime? (which isn't really true)

Well, holding drump responsible for his crimes against the people and the constitution and letting him SERVE TIME behind bars... would be a big deterrent against future crimes by our elected officials, IMO.

And not just drump, but all his cohorts and enablers who conspired with or assisted him.
A message needs to be sent... and enforced. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

Public Office is not for people to get rich, it's for people who love this country and want to SERVE it and their fellow citizens.

He just can't get off scot free!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:01 PM

117. He fucking committed TREASON!

Full accountability!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:06 PM

118. Lock up the Lyin' Loser.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:07 PM

119. tRump

and his enablers need to pay the ultimate price, imprison all of them.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:24 PM

122. He needs to be tried for Sedition!

A sitting president should be able to be tried for sedition.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:16 PM

125. maggotrump Got Impeached, didn't he.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:19 PM

126. Not prosecuting would cross my red line

Giving trump a pass is the easiest way to never receive my vote again. 300,000 to 500,000 Americans will die due to trump's criminal negligence. This doesn't even get to his other crimes and abuses of power. If he's not locked up, I'm 100% done.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:22 PM

128. No Way.....LAW AND ORDER!!!......remember?

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:49 PM

131. He has to be

For so many reasons, first to let other fascist criminals and their supporters know they will be stopped and held accountable. I donít have much hope that he will be though.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:08 PM

132. Totally Unacceptable.

 

You want to destroy the party from within? Go this "healing" route.

We will deserve what we get.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:22 PM

133. My only concern is that prosecuting him could enrage Republicans

And you know theyíll blame a partisan witch hunt. If they continue to turn out, and our numbers drop without Trump on the ticket, we could be in trouble.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #133)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:10 PM

140. But refusing to go after him will allow him to come back with a vengeance, and will enrage

a large percentage of our Party and our voters as well.

Plus it sets a staggeringly bad precedent.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:28 PM

134. The STATE O F NEW YORK will prosecute him for Tax evasion ...

The rest can sue him for civil since most likely he will be pardoned by Pence for Federal Crimes... but then the Judge in NY should give him a harsh sentence, he doesn't deserve to go free and we don't need him in politics again.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #134)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:02 PM

136. Why didn't the state of NY prosecute him for tax evasion before?

They have had his tax returns since the 1960s. Decades. Did he all of a sudden start evading taxes since he became president?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #136)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

139. it was recently discovered ....

and I think Trump had admitted he didn't pay TAXES and how he scammed the system. Its not like as President he could be arrested.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #139)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:43 AM

154. Nothing was recently discovered.

If you are talking about the NYT articles, they do not allege he did anything illegal. Yes, he "scammed" the system by taking advantage of tax breaks that all corporations take advantage of. The NY IRS has known how much taxes he did or did not pay for decades. So has the federal IRS. They have had his returns. They are not secret. He has only been president since 2017. Why wasn't he arrested before?

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:55 PM

135. I could not possibly agree more!

I want to see him spend is final years in an orange jumpsuit...perhaps in a facility that would have been Arpaio-approved. Misery all day, every day.

I honestly believe that, not only does he deserve that and more, but that it would have a deterrent effect for future miscreants. If they know going in that there are no dire consequences coming their way, there is very little to keep them from going the Drumpf route...or even worse, if they can somehow find away to accomplish that.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:07 PM

138. There's a lot he could be prosecuted for

He will try to pardon himself, but I hope they find a way to prosecute him federally. NY will get him but he should pay for crimes against the US. Could they issue a retroactive ruling that a president can not pardon himself, rescinding his pardon?

If he isn't prosecuted, the laws of karma will get him,!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:47 AM

142. Fīat jūstitia ruat caelum

Let justice be done though the heavens fall.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:24 AM

144. I suspect Trump will try to self-pardon because Pence won't do it

Pence does not want to go down in history as the president whose only act while in office was to pardon the worst criminal to ever be elected to public office in this country.

This leads to a Trump self-pardon, which doesn't even begin to pass the smell test - you can't be your own judge, which is what a self-pardon amounts to. The courts will overturn such an atrocity...and then we go after him hard.

Tax will be the easiest way to lock him up, but you could pretty much open Title 18 to a random page and get a conviction on it.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #144)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:02 AM

145. Nothing in the Constitution limits pardons in that way ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
Article II, Section 2
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Emphasis added.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:06 AM

147. The only major mistake Obama made while in office was not appointing an independent investigator

to at the very least look into the things Bush and those in his administration did as that simply encouraged people Mitch, Trump and a bunch of other deplorable Republicans to commit even worse things.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:55 AM

150. The courts in NY are investigating in prep for doing this. Who is saying that they shouldn't?

 

Biden stated that he will not stand in the way of any prosecution or investigation.

Did I miss something?

Seriously - I can't find where someone has publicly stated that.


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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 07:57 AM

152. I cannot heal if criminals are let off because they are loudmouth assholes with a bunch of followers

I think there are many 10s of millions of us who feel the same way.


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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 08:53 AM

153. Amen to that!!!

If we can put a mother in jail for FIVE YEARS for trying to get her child into a better school...........

How can we do any less to this hateful monster??

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:05 AM

156. I don't think we'll solve it here

But I do highly suspect that Biden will take the path of not prosecuting Trump as well as quietly putting pressure on NY State to not do so as well.

Any trials of Trump would be coming up about the same time as the mid-terms. Just in time to energize the Repub base.

That's not what I want. It's just what I predict.

This country really doesn't prosecute ex-presidents. Just ask W and Nixon.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:08 AM

157. Manafort's guy in Ukraine jailed the defeated Prime Minster, Ukraine broke apart, democracy died

Supporters of the defeated and then jailed prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko hit the streets, civil war broke Ukraine apart, Russia exploited the chaos by invading and grabbing ports their military and industries wanted. The victorious Prime Minister fled for his life. Was jailing the defeated prime minister a good idea? Hell no. Punishing Tymoshenko, even if she was a crook, was a spectacular mistake which caused a huge number of lives, economic ruin. No one here ever agrees with me that jailing Trump could cost thousands of lives, enormous suffering by innocent people, and isnít worth it. If jailing Trump causes 10,000 innocent people to be killed, ten thousand families to suffer, a million people to lose their job, is it worth it? Look what happened in Ukraine. Fine him $500 million instead, or seize his property. Donít jail him.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

158. with every breath I take

I agree

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

159. Put him in jail so he can't run in 2024**

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

160. X2

Lock the bastard up!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:49 PM

161. Criminals must be brought to justice

even if they are heads of states or Presidents

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:51 PM

162. The nation isn't going to "heal" either way

70+ million people think the election was stolen and they're going to keep being bitter whether or not he gets off the hook (and if he does get off, they'll be saying "Haha stupid libs too chickenshit to do anything" ).

FRY HIM

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:54 PM

163. He should, for the many excellent reasons already expressed here, be

prosecuted. There is also another reason. tRump desperately needs continued Russian financial support. For him to get that he has to remain relevant to Putin, therefore he has to be able to continue his chaos vendetta against America. It is possible full exposure of his many crimes will diminish his capabilities to do so. Alternatively it may do the opposite. Tough call, even without the many other political ramifications. Also outside possibility Putin will solve it if he concludes there are huge geopolitical benefits for him. Putin is loyal only to people he can use.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:23 PM

164. Can a convicted felon run again for President?

I hope to God NOT!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:30 PM

165. "We the people" DESERVE to see the orange devil

prosecuted for EVERY single hate filled thing he did and those that enabled him need to be held accountable for their roles in the crap heap too!! This can not happen to our country again!!!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:48 AM

166. Sadly, as much as I would love to see him face consequences

I think things will end up with him being pardoned or otherwise let off the hook.

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Response to Nexus2 (Reply #166)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:59 AM

167. pardons will not save his arse in NY

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

168. They're fascist and need to be treated as such and taken down hard.

No fucking around. They are enemies of the state.

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