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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:04 PM Nov 2020

I have no doubt Trump is trying to make the COVID pandemic as worse as possible for Biden...

...he wants it to be a complete and total disaster heading into January - with thousands dying a day and the economy spiraling out of control. He wants America to pay but more importantly, he wants Biden to be saddled with the worst of the pandemic in the early days of his administration.

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I have no doubt Trump is trying to make the COVID pandemic as worse as possible for Biden... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 OP
No doubt Trump is burning it all down before he goes. Initech Nov 2020 #1
Agreed! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #3
Yup. I think back to Bush in 2008 and it's night and day. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #5
Some agency bdamomma Nov 2020 #12
"Petty pathetic" Murdering "Piece of Shit". Cha Nov 2020 #23
K&R, ... and the M$M will go along with the kGOP spin that COVID is all Biden's fault uponit7771 Nov 2020 #2
Yup ... after like 1 week Trump will start chiding Joe for not having cured covid yet mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #20
It's Not That Calculated ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #4
It is not just about the uptick in cases. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #8
There Never Was A Response! ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #11
There was a response in early spring. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #15
Come On! ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #22
This is revisionist history. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #25
You're Engaging In Revisionism ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #26
I attacked the revisionist history of your point. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #27
Incompetence combined with magical thinking. Mariana Nov 2020 #10
He's only EVER cared about himself. The magical thinking Maru Kitteh Nov 2020 #29
Not that Trump was doing anything to begin with. Blue_true Nov 2020 #28
He's getting even with all the people who Phoenix61 Nov 2020 #6
yup XanaDUer2 Nov 2020 #7
He hasn't done a goddamned thing to try and curtail it Blue Owl Nov 2020 #9
Crimes bdamomma Nov 2020 #16
Kinda has the "dereliction of duty" vibe, indeed! Brainfodder Nov 2020 #17
Anti maskers "protesting" in my city today n/t hibbing Nov 2020 #13
His followers will buy that Rorey Nov 2020 #14
These idiots want herd immunity. We're hitting 250 thousand deaths this weekend. sarcasmo Nov 2020 #18
And no guarantee of true long term herd immunity. Pobeka Nov 2020 #21
It's not Biden or Dems who are the target. It is all Americans, even those who voted for him. RockRaven Nov 2020 #19
To put it succinctly, he is an f'd up, evil monster! cornball 24 Nov 2020 #24
Maybe some of it will have burned itself off by inauguration. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #30
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
5. Yup. I think back to Bush in 2008 and it's night and day.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:10 PM
Nov 2020

Bush actually worked to get relief for the economic recession he partly created. He didn't just throw his hands up in those final days and say, "it's your show now, Barack..."

So disappointed in what this country has become.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
12. Some agency
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:18 PM
Nov 2020

UN or ICC must call him out to as Crimes against Humanity, and a full out GENOCIDE on the American people.
tRump is a murderer.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
20. Yup ... after like 1 week Trump will start chiding Joe for not having cured covid yet
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:53 PM
Nov 2020

Claiming he lied and has broke his campaign promises ... and the bullshit M$M will talk about his fucking tweets all day.

ProfessorGAC

(64,953 posts)
4. It's Not That Calculated
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

The current slope of the infection was established more than 3 weeks ago.
Looking at the Worldometer chart, before October 25.
There is a visible exponential bend over the last 10 days, but this would have happened no matter who won, no matter what they did or didn't do.
The easiest explanation is that the same incompetence shown in March, is still evident.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. It is not just about the uptick in cases.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:12 PM
Nov 2020

There is literally no response from the federal government on what steps we can take to correct the spike. The WH has stopped pushing a stimulus, despite saying they would work to get one passed after the election, and the only COVID related discussion from the WH has been on a vaccine - nothing else.

He's literally moved on from doing anything to correct that uptick.

ProfessorGAC

(64,953 posts)
11. There Never Was A Response!
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:18 PM
Nov 2020

They couldn't even coordinate a central PPE acquisition plan. Remember states putting their own consortia together?
They didn't wear masks at the Crazy Amy announcement.
There has never(!) been a plan.
This isn't different because PINO lost.
It's not the least bit different than anything that came before.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
15. There was a response in early spring.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:22 PM
Nov 2020

It was a weak response but it was a response. He pushed lockdown orders that most states adhered to, got a stimulus passed through congress and actually semi-took it seriously enough ... until about May.

But now he's doing absolutely nothing. Literally nothing.

ProfessorGAC

(64,953 posts)
22. Come On!
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:07 PM
Nov 2020

The plan was from Congress. Even the Rs knew it had to be done.
Turtle dragged PINO to the oval to sign that legislation, then fed him a line so he could take credit for it.
The rest of the response was damage control for the harm they already did to pandemic control.
There was no administration led response in the spring.
Damage control & talking points is all they had.
They didn't even listen to their own task force. PINO used those briefings for photo-ops and free media.
Warp Speed ended up with a company outside the plan announcing the most promising results.
With this crowd, aside from doing the bidding of the Federalist, never have a response.
Pretending it will go away is not a plan.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
25. This is revisionist history.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:44 PM
Nov 2020

Trump gave a half-assed response but anyone who says he is doing today the exact same thing he was doing earlier in the year when it came to the virus is just goofy.

He's not. In early 2020, he was pushing for a stimulus. In early 2020, he actually called for lockdown orders, even half-assed as they were.

It's not comparable. Not even remotely. He's been awful enough in his response that we don't have to lie about his half-measures earlier in the year.

ProfessorGAC

(64,953 posts)
26. You're Engaging In Revisionism
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:05 PM
Nov 2020

Not me. We were all there. It was 7 months ago. There is nothing to revise.
You have nothing except a desire to be right about now being even worse.
I'm sorry, but your demand to be right has clouded your judgment.
I'm done with this pointless discussion.
At least I avoided attacking you. Only your notions were disputed.
You, however, did not extend that courtesy.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. I attacked the revisionist history of your point.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

And I'll continue attacking it because it's flatly not true.

It's just not accurate to say Trump treated the COVID pandemic back in March the same way he's treating it now. It just isn't. If that is your narrative, I absolutely will attack it. Trump half-assed the response but he still was able to get a deal to his desk for stimulus money, wasn't out there holding massive rallies and while he still spit disinformation, we at least saw Fauci and the taskforce consistently. We get none of that now - with the added benefit of his rallies, which he likely will pick up again soon.

There is no comparison. His response in March was bad. His response now is horrific. I don't think anyone really believes they're in the realm of being the same.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
10. Incompetence combined with magical thinking.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:15 PM
Nov 2020

I think that on some level, he really believes he can just wish it away.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
29. He's only EVER cared about himself. The magical thinking
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:21 PM
Nov 2020

came before he was infected. He did come to believe magically that he was too perfect to contract the virus and the "good/worthy" people around him couldn't have it because only weak people get sick. Post-infection he now believes himself immune and that's literally the only thing he cares about. He no longer has a single reason to pretend he cares at all about how many of us die.

He did believe he could ignore it and it would go away because he thinks that's what happened with other pandemics, that they just "went away." He does not have the intelligence, education or curiosity to understand previous pandemics were stopped through massive scientific and international governmental/organizational cooperation.

He doesn't understand it, he has no attention span to learn about it, and if it conflicts with what he has already decided, then "he knows better."



Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. Not that Trump was doing anything to begin with.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:18 PM
Nov 2020

Now that he knows that he will not get credit for solving SAR-COV-2, he is likely to do nothing to help at this point.

Phoenix61

(16,999 posts)
6. He's getting even with all the people who
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:10 PM
Nov 2020

didn’t vote for him. This is the man who took medical insurance away from his own cancer stricken nephew. There is no bottom to what he will do to get even.

Blue Owl

(50,325 posts)
9. He hasn't done a goddamned thing to try and curtail it
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:13 PM
Nov 2020

Not ONE. GODDAMNED. THING.

Shouldn't this be a crime or something???

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
17. Kinda has the "dereliction of duty" vibe, indeed!
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:26 PM
Nov 2020

When it all comes out, I don't see him surviving, probably suicide by drugs in his sleep, and they can cover it up as just natural causes since he's 74.

All that non-federal unpardonable mountain to climb awaits!?!

I don't see 2021 as a great year for the wannabe OAN Network stars.
But yeah, let them think it.












Rorey

(8,445 posts)
14. His followers will buy that
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:19 PM
Nov 2020

The majority of people will see that we finally will have a real President to help us get out of this mess.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
18. These idiots want herd immunity. We're hitting 250 thousand deaths this weekend.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:27 PM
Nov 2020

2 million is the predicted number of deaths with herd immunity.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
21. And no guarantee of true long term herd immunity.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:56 PM
Nov 2020

So, we kill another 2 million next year?
And another 2 million the year after that?

And, BTW, we are pretty sure it's at about 309,000 deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

RockRaven

(14,950 posts)
19. It's not Biden or Dems who are the target. It is all Americans, even those who voted for him.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:40 PM
Nov 2020

We didn't love him enough. Malignant narcissists punish people for not loving them properly. He wants everyone to suffer now.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
30. Maybe some of it will have burned itself off by inauguration.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:24 PM
Nov 2020

In the meantime we must all do our best to keep ourselves and our families safe, knowing that it's entirely in our own hands.

I wish I didn't have to view things this way, but it's the cards we've been handed.

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