"After she came off of a ventilator, he asked her how she thought she got the virus."

[Nevilledog]

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Mallory McMorrow
@MalloryMcMorrow
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Nov 14, 2020
“As hard as the work is, “societal fatigue” is harder, said a Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn’t exist.“

‘No One Is Listening to Us’
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.
theatlantic.com

Mallory McMorrow
@MalloryMcMorrow
A friend of mine works as a contact tracer and her husband is an ICU doctor. She told me he saw a patient who had #COVID19, and badly. After she came off of a ventilator, he asked her how she thought she got the virus.

”I don’t have COVID,” she said, “It doesn’t exist.”
8:34 AM · Nov 14, 2020

I can't conceive of a way to fix this.

[OnDoutside]

1. Natural selection ?

[dhol82]

2. So what does she think almost killed her?

Just curious.

[soldierant]

24. A heart conditon.

I went to Twitter, and there's one more snippet - the tracer told her she had tested positive for it and that's why she was on the ventilator, and she insisted it was just a heart condition.

Of course if she's a Trump* supporter, then it's her heart which doesn't exist.

[dhol82]

50. Jeesus- she won't accept that it was the Covid that gave her the heart condition.

This country is doomed.

[soldierant]

56. Well, I suppose it could have been the heart condition which

put the CoViD into near-fatal territory, if it were pre-existing. But it was still the CoViD that put her on the ventilator, yes.

But don't doom the country too fast. We have always had people this stupid. We need to look, historically, about what we were doing during periods they didn't get into governing.

[dhol82]

59. I'm sorry, I keep looking around me and getting depressed.

There are so many who are primed for the propaganda. And, there is so much more in the pipeline ready to spew forth.
I have tried to be optimistic but it’s sinking fast. I am glad that I only have another 15, maybe 20 years on earth. I can survive this. I have now been telling my grandchildren to go somewhere else. I don’t see a great future for this country. I just hope it doesn’t destroy anywhere else.
Damn, Orwell was freaking prescient!

[Volaris]

64. We were keeping their fever brains busy with other distractions.

Hot wars, land grabs and settlements, wall street booms etc.
The only time in our history (I suspect) that didnt involve one of those things as a national distraction was the apollo program at nasa. It channeled that energy somewhere productive.

When this nation gets bored, we do really demonstrably dumb shit with ourselves. Ill put up the invasion of Iraq as an example.

[Marcuse]

88. Historically every wingnut didn't have access to a printing press with unlimited paper and postage.

[soldierant]

99. +1000

[spanone]

3. The ignorance in America is stunning.

24/7 propaganda presented with the moniker 'news'.

[wnylib]

95. That's why I strongly object to

the term "Fox News." I think everyone, including journalists, should call it "Fox TV." Words matter and we can start changing perceptions by refusing to go along with phony monikers.

[spanone]

98. Agreed.

[Crunchy Frog]

4. Maybe she'll think it exists when she gets the bill.

[flibbitygiblets]

18. Her medical record will list the diagnosis with ICD10 code "U07.1, COVID-19"

Unless of course, the hospital, her medical insurance company (presuming she has one), and the World Health Organization are all lying.

[JHB]

26. She'll say the doctors are calling it that because they get more money for a COVID diagnosis

Which is bullshit, but she already eats that up like it's chocolate, so why not some more?

[BComplex]

5. I just had a terrible fight with my sister, a fundie Christian in the trump cult.

Her son has "the flu", and she doesn't believe Biden won.



There's no help for these people. I really don't know how our country will ever come together after this cult has taken hold. I've been in tears for an hour.

[MustLoveBeagles]

7. Hugs to you

[BComplex]

8. Thanks, Beagles.

It really hurts to have close family members that you can't even talk to.

I appreciate the hug.

[ybbor]

49. I had to block my sister

She would get all fired up from the orange asshat, and send me totally incoherent vitriol.

Last year I broke the rule of talking politics with my mom and told her she would be going to hell if she voted for the people with the R next to their name. She is a staunch Catholic, still attends mass in person, and apparently took it poorly. Who knew?

Anywho, my sister is now a cultist and is freaking out because I said that to our 85 year old mom. But I’m totally out of fucks to give.

I said to my other sister that if she is so concerned she should have voted for the Dems.

So I’m feeling sort of like an orphan here. But I can’t understand how anyone could be a repub.

Ok rant is over. Just needed to vent.

[Mariana]

76. Your mom's priest probably told her she'll go to hell if she votes for Dems.

There's been a lot of that leading up to this election.

[Trueblue Texan]

92. I'll be your mom and your sister...

...whatever you need, just keep speaking the truth.

[MustLoveBeagles]

58. You're welcome

I know the feeling. I'm estranged from mine but not over politics. It's tough to deal with. Take care.

[AllyCat]

11. My sister just tried to tell me the Covid vaccine has a DoD microchip in it

She was stunned that I was excited about the possible coming vaccine. She “did her research” and it is right on the DoD’s website. And Apiject’s. So I looked it up. The website says nothing of the sort. The SYRINGE has a chip so people can track when and where they got the vaccine for future reference. It is not in the vaccine. Confronted her about my findings. “Well, that’s not what I read”. It is hopeless.

[BComplex]

15. That's part of the cult, Ally. They think they're "informed". But it's like their brains are

scrambled.

[bluestarone]

27. WOW! worried about micro chips, AFTER

Supporting the anti-Christ for 4 years!!! WOW just WOW!!!

[AZ8theist]

35. The vaccine/microchip nonsense is just so stupid...

She carries a cellphone, right? The "government" can find you instantly. No implanted chip required.

You can't fix stupidity.

[AllyCat]

52. Right? Annnddddd....did you know we have all been given a unique

9 digit number and the first 3 numbers indicate WHERE YOU WERE BORN??? We are tracked every hour of every day.

[dianaredwing]

37. I've gotten that too

But the fact is that everyone is spied on all the time from street cams, store cams, not to mention the crap posted on social media sites so even if it were true, what the fuck difference does it make?

People are just unbelievable.

[niyad]

51. I overheard a conversation yesterday in which a woman nearly my (advanced) age was telling two

women, who appeared to be in their early twenties, how CoViD and Ebola and HINI and HIV all are patented, and how all the vaccines alter one's dna, and, of course, mentioned autism. I thought about interjecting, but there is no talking to that level of stupid.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

63. Just whisper, "You didn't get the smartphone app for that?" and walk away shaking your head.

[niyad]

72. Ohhhhh, wicked! I will remember that one! Thank you!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. Welcome. Gotta get something rattling around in their heads to distract them. :)

Works with puppies and toddlers -- give 'em a harmless distraction while you get stuff done.

[Bleacher Creature]

55. A vaccine won't be effective if large numbers of people don't get it.

Even at 90% efficacy there are still going to be huge numbers of suck people each and every year.

And those of us that get the vaccine better hope that we're in the 90% of people who are protected.

[Celerity]

69. Tens upon tens of millions will never take it. But enough will take

it so that (vaccine induced) herd immunity levels (probably between 60 and 70%) are reached.

[eppur_se_muova]

87. Well, as long as there are Repugs, there have to be suck people. nt

[tulipsandroses]

71. Same rehashed bullshit from the beginnings of Obamacare. My conspiracy nut ex friend used to say the

same thing about getting Obamacare. Anyone that got Obamacare would get a chip. Of course he had done his " research" and sent me his evidence that showed where people were going to have an implant that would be tracked. He was convinced that there was a bill that said everyone would be implanted with a chip.

Of course when you read in entirety, what he was quoting, turns out, it was referencing tracking implantable devices. Things people already use and there was nothing nefarious. You know so if there is a recall, problem, the person that got that item can be traced and notified. These items included breast implants, pace makers, artificial hips, etc. This had absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare. But somehow they managed to take something legit, tracking implantable devices and turned that into everyone will have a tracking device. This was the kind of absurdity they were spreading to kill Obamacare before it started. Notice I said this is an ex friend. Its too exhausting to keep trying to talk sense to someone who believes in nonsense.

[Mariana]

78. Is she a Trumper?

If so, has she not noticed that her cult leader Trump is vigorously promoting the idea of taking the vaccine? How does she reconcile this?

[AllyCat]

81. She's a Trumper. But she "thinks for herself" and is

“Independent”.

[bdamomma]

32. It's hard

I bet.

Propaganda is a tactic out of authoritarian playbooks, say lies often daily, monthly and years, listening to Right wing TV/radio stations can rot a person's brain.

It's sad that many people are in denial, they won't listen to facts or truth, or just common sense, and people are dying from it.

[StarlightGold]

34. I'm so sorry about your sister.

I totally get your anguish. I know the logistics of this is pretty much not feasible, but I think more and more, let’s just split up the country and be done with it.

[colorado_ufo]

46. So sorry!

[niyad]

53. (((((((((BC))))))))). My sympathies for your dealings with your sister.

[calimary]

62. I'm sorry to hear that, BComplex.

My nephew and niece are that way. He doesn't get together with his sister and her family too often. Says they're trumpers so there's really no way to have a meeting of the minds. Their mom is gone now, as is their older sister - both from cancer.

That SOB has literally torn families apart. Bastard!

I sympathize and empathize, BComplex. So sorry it's happening in your life.

Virtual

I swear, donald, this TOO??? You have to disrupt and tear apart THIS TOO???

Seriously?

You're that much of a bad sport? That sour a sore loser? You don't even have a quarter-teaspoon's worth of class somewhere down in the depths of the black hole of yours - where every other humanoid has a heart? Not even a millimeter's worth?

Amazing.

And yet, 70 million Americans evidently saw fit to keep him on as pResident.

[Aussie105]

67. Covid-19 and Biden winning the election

are so far out of her comfort zone, she has had to make up Altenative Facts (A Trump TM).

People are out in the streets right now 'protesting' the Biden win.

No social distancing, no masks, just loud mouth breathing about how unfair the election was.

What is it going to achieve? Just more 'flu' victims and funerals and hospital bills.

[underpants]

6. The Mormon church could fix this instantly

Just saying.

[BComplex]

9. How do you mean they could fix this, underpants?

What could they do?

[underpants]

12. They could make announcements and tell people to wear masks.

And abide by the new Utah state standards. Not everyone there is a practicing member of the church but it would go a long way.

[BComplex]

17. Oh yes! The church could definitely spread the word. As long as they're not in the trump cult and

Qanon, that is.

[FreeState]

14. He has immense power in Utah

All he would have to do it say “thus sayith the Lord wear a mask” and 70% of Utah would change course.

“Personal opinions may vary. Eternal principles never do. When the Prophet speaks, sisters, the debate is over.”

[FreeState]

13. Their prophet is a physician

But yet he’s an immoral prick that up to now only cares about his image. Your right he could do the moral thing but won’t.

[obamanut2012]

20. Agreed, and they should

[abqtommy]

10. Maybe we need to establish Sanctuary Cities where the people who understand can survive

by being sensible. Of course the non-sensible folks would all die, but at least they wouldn't
be infecting the rest of us.

[Beachnutt]

16. Sad but it seems to me that once the vaccine is available

the folks that believe science and get vaccinated will be healthy and the idiots will be sick and dieing.

[birdographer]

70. I feel awful, but

does this not make perfect sense? The truth was right in front of them and they decided to ignore it.

[Mariana]

79. No, they won't all be dying.

Most people who get Covid-19 survive.

[flibbitygiblets]

19. "at least they wouldn't be infecting the rest of us"

...or voting.

Looking on the bright side.

[Nasruddin]

33. Hidden cost

While most of them will recover, some percentage will be incapacitated for months and have long-term problems for a lifetime.

It's an argument for a pre-existing condition clause in insurance coverage, isn't it? I don't want to pay for their chosen brand of stupidity.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. 85% of them won't accept vaccination

so there is that.

[Heartstrings]

28. +1000!

[Augiedog]

22. You can't fix stupid, you can only fix ignorance

[abqtommy]

23. +100

[shanti]

57. +1

[ancianita]

25. The too-stupid-to-live are killing us.

[roamer65]

29. "The meek shall inherit the Earth."

I plan to be meek.

[ancianita]

31. Cool. Being meek is smart Christianity.

Smart Christians use the brains God gave them and respect the science that helps them.

[bdamomma]

36. You are

so right.

[kimbutgar]

30. I think they should make these doubters sign a release and let them see for themselves what's going

In these hospital wards. I read that a anti COVID group wanted to tour a Hospital where they were treating patients and were denied. They should be allowed to see for themselves after signing waivers they won’t sue the hospitals just like MF45 made his attendees of his rallies sign.

[liberalla]

54. They would also have to quarantine or isolate for 14 days or whatever... and

I would want them monitored or locked in to be certain they didn't spread the virus until it was safe for them to be in the public again. I doubt they would commit to the quarantine...

Funny thing about the waivers for the rallies --- if covid-19 isn't real, why require a waiver?

[Towlie]

38. You have to admit, she DID answer the question.

The question was how she got the virus, and the answer was that she was living as if COVID didn't exist. That'll definitely do it!

[Rhiannon12866]

39. Twitter reply :

Link to tweet

[Missn-Hitch]

41. It was conceived of but not carried through by President Lincoln.

Part deux coming soon. And it will be played to the end. For future generations sake.

[warmfeet]

42. I have to say,

I do not mind that some people appear to be removing themselves from the population of humans on this planet.

Not all of them will come off of the ventilators. It seems to be a variation on suicide, if you ask me. I believe everyone should be able to kill themselves if that is what they truly want.

That being said, they are putting others at risk by their reckless behavior.

Why don't they just insert a high velocity 12 gauge slug into their brains directly, thereby cutting out the middle person?

In case I have not made myself clear by this point, I wish all of these shitnozzle tRumpists to off themselves - saves me some trouble, and expense, and stench. I just wish they would take a more direct route without endangering me, and my wife, and sane Americans along the way.

[BunnyMcGee]

43. Darwinism will take it's course

and be rid of the weak minded who would believe that nonsense. If they could only stay away from the rest of society.

[mjvpi]

60. Exactly. Unfortunately, Darwinism is a systemic function over time.

[Mariana]

80. No it won't. Most people who get Covid-19 survive. nt.

[BunnyMcGee]

84. I just hope our enemies are among the unlucky

[Evolve Dammit]

44. Misled/ duped/ brainwashed by RW hate radio and other "outlets." Easily fooled and woefully stupid.

[DanieRains]

45. It's Not Rocket Surgery Now Is It?

[smirkymonkey]

47. What a waste of decent healthcare.

They should have just left her on her own to deal with her non-existent virus.

[progree]

48. "societal fatigue" -- great term! So much less crude than "fuckhead fatigue" /nt

[Lord Ludd]

61. There are 7 billion realities

Some realities correspond to what's actually going on (as far as our senses can tell). Some realities don't.

Too few of the former; too many of the latter.

[Maru Kitteh]

65. Should have let her die.

If you have covid, and you refuse to acknowledge the existence of covid, you should be detained and quarantined until you are dead or no longer infectious. Fuck that asshole for endangering nurses and first responders. Should have let her die.

[marble falls]

66. I know how close I come to giving up. This next wave - I'll be honest - I am not 100% ...

... sure I'll pull through to the other side.

We were at the HEB (the best grocery store ever) and we saw a guy with two preteen children and no mask. We asked managers about it, and I was told HEB's policy is to not confront them so as to not put employees at risk with a crazy.

The county mandated masks and has not given any enforcement power along with it.

The next county over authorized the county sheriff and constables to enforce it, one restaurant has been fined over $8,000 and then closed when the owner thought it was still a joke, he reopened with no masks on staff or customers and was shut down for the duration.

Llano makes Burnett seem like a bunch of hippies, but they get it.

I have a very bad feeling about this blast.

[andym]

68. Americans have been trained to believe propaganda from an early age: the advertising industry

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bombards Americans with manipulative and often false advertising continually. Americans are then permissive to the effects of propaganda. It doesn't take much for a political-minded individuals like Rush, organizations like Fox News, and especially social media which allows instant widespread communication and spread of rumors and misinformation to brainwash Americans with ease.

[GulfCoast66]

75. I historically see no evidence Americans are more prone to this than all people. No more, no less.

While many on the left look to Western Europe as our shining example they had traumas we can’t imagine to get them to where they are now. In the last couple of generations. And as those traumas fade into memory even some of them are reverting to the human norm. Which is fearing the different and new.

Since 1789 we have done some really bad shit. But over that span of time it no worse and way better than many nations. Even some we admire now. Are there some exceptions? Of course. Not much to hate about the Nordic nations since them. But they were poor and had no colonies. Outside of them I can’t name a European nation that within the past 250 year has not some really bad shit. Maybe the Netherlands and Denmark. Even Belgium created a slave state in the Congo.

People are people. I sometimes think Xenophobia is built in genetically back to the 10’s of thousands of year when we evolving into modern humans and you could only truly trust a member of your group. But we have the mental capacity to overturn that. You have to want to.

[andym]

82. Actually I researched this somewhat after posting and it seems that the West, America included

does better in detecting misinformation, presumably due to an individualistic culture than more religious-oriented and possibly consensus-oriented cultures. While "people are people" as you say, there is quite a bit of variation, and culture can indeed shape susceptibility to misinformation, just not the way I initially hypothesized.

It's a hot topic, actively researched. For example, papers with evidence that children in Iran or Arab counties are more susceptible to misinformation have been published (Fadwa B. Elashi, Doaa J. Ameera, Skepticism across cultures: The ability to doubt and reject distorted claims in Jordanian and U.S. children, Cognitive Development,Volume 52, 2019) with cultures of authority and adherence to strict religious beliefs hypothesized to play key roles. Our culture is characterized as more individualistic, which helps us weed out misinformation, even as children.

It would be interesting to study if strict religious upbringing plays a similar role in our more individualistic society to inculcate susceptibility to propaganda.

So we are actually in a better position to battle misinformation than others. Unfortunately, current trends of fast-spreading misinformation aren't promising, if we are the best, we are in trouble IMHO. Perhaps skepticism training (crticial thinking) needs to be even more avidly taught in the US.

[GulfCoast66]

83. That make some sense. Especially the religious angle.

If you are real Super religious you are used to believing things with no evidence.

Perhaps that why Western Europe is doing a better job of fighting off this shit. They are born skeptics. Not very orthodox in anyway. And why Poland and Hungary are going repressive. They are still very religious.

If that is the case we are rapidly improving.

It is apparent. The more religious a country, the more oppressive. Not to say other ideologies can’t be as repressive. Take China and Cuba as examples.

[TigressDem]

74. The level of crazy has risen to obscene levels.

[greyl]

77. Neurological COVID fog plus confirmation bias and willful ignorance. nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

85. Another in a series of millions of examples that you cannot reason with RWers.

I mean, you can bet this same patient also agrees with QTrumpAnon that the deadly China Virus, which they are sure doesn't exist, was purposely invented by asian arch villains.

Whatever logic any of them once had mastered has been sacrificed at the altar of their Dear Leader.


#RWLogicIsAnOxymoron

Whereas...

#TrumpIsAFuckingMoron

[bucolic_frolic]

86. They are Mental Berzerkers

referencing Viking invaders who attacked, killed, plundered, pillaged and took over areas and populations.

I don't know how you stop them. Hoping the Biden administration understands their personality every bit as much as they understood Donald Trump's. Because that's how they beat him. They knew his every move. And wasn't Trump a Berzerker at the debates? And on Twitter? And at rallies? Everything he says is an attack on reality. For his own gain.

[Skittles]

97. I was thinking the song in the movie Clerks

My love for you is like a truck, Berserker
Would you like some making fuck, Berserker
My love for you is like a rock, Berserker

[NoMoreRepugs]

89. I guess I do mean to offend the other side - the

70million+ Deplorable voting block are stupid fucking morons - PERIOD.

[intheflow]

90. She trusts the doctors to help her when she's sick but

doesn’t trust them to correctly diagnose her illness. You cannot fix stupid people who are willfully in denial of reality.

[hadEnuf]

91. I know there are people out there that are just plain stupid or even mentally ill,

but this is really looking like mass brainwashing.

Not to sound tinfoil, but is that even possible?

[Skittles]

96. it does seem over the top

I am glad I haven't run into this kind of person in real life - the repukes I know do wear masks.

[bucolic_frolic]

93. If she doesn't have it, and it doesn't exist, will she sue?

Because if that were true, she would have quite a malpractice suit.

Somehow, though, I don't think she'll get anywhere. Maybe that would bring her back to reality.

[BobTheSubgenius]

94. Not only do the deniers have a massive inability to deal with facts,i

but now they are better diagnosticians than actual doctors. Unf'ingbelievable.

[eppur_se_muova]

100. Hold for thorough psychiatric evaluation.

Do not release.