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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:56 PM Nov 2020

Trump will go down worse than Nixon..Here is why..

Nixon said he had a secret plan to get out of Viet Nam...He had ..."no such plan"

...tens of thousands died..That war was not started by Nixon..so he lied about some "secret plan"
but, as it turns out War is War...Lets not forget ...Watergate, but that is another kind of crookedness..

...While Donald Trump was told by advisors and others what was coming he knew and did nothing..What to do was already being practiced by European allies, and all he had to do... was follow the lead, & listen to what was already done...Instead, he said..."It was a hoax", and did .."NOTHING"

..Herbert Hoover had no idea on how to deal with a ..."World Wide Depression" There had never been one of that magnitude before or since. So doing what F.D.R. did, was quite out of the ordinary, new in some ways unheard of.

..All Trump had to do was follow advisors and listen to our friends in Europe on how to prevent tens of thousands of deaths. Trump did absolutely nothing.

Not using the incredible power of the federal government to prevent huge deaths that are somewhat "preventable" is a crime against us all...It would be as if there were never any safety
precautions and procedures on airplanes for take off and landings..or whatever happens.
There are definable procedures in all cases that pilots learn to save lives if this or that happens..

If looked at this way, Trump is a criminal, and needs to be treated as one..

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Trump will go down worse than Nixon..Here is why.. (Original Post) Stuart G Nov 2020 OP
He is going to flame out, and be pushed out without dignity. Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #1
I agree ..."no dignity ever" a "flame out" and totally disgraced and ignored. Except..Fox News.. Stuart G Nov 2020 #7
Donald Trump: Public Enemy #1 Blue Owl Nov 2020 #2
You are wrong about Trump doing nothing Chainfire Nov 2020 #3
He also worked very hard at his pandemic counter-research program Shermann Nov 2020 #13
And Bleach Futures are Through the Roof! The Roux Comes First Nov 2020 #32
Nixon torpedoed Johnson at the Paris Peace Conference exboyfil Nov 2020 #4
How can you say that Trump will go down worse than Nixon when Nixon was forced to totodeinhere Nov 2020 #5
Thing is... better Nov 2020 #15
Agree malaise Nov 2020 #35
My point is that unlike Nixon Trump will probably be allowed to finish out his term. totodeinhere Nov 2020 #51
Republicans in office did not side with wnylib Nov 2020 #47
Nixon wasn't forced ZERTErYNOthe Nov 2020 #48
He should die in prison for this criminal negligence malaise Nov 2020 #6
. . . and bring down many of his co-conspirators with him - to prison empedocles Nov 2020 #11
The worst part of these COvid 19 deaths and infections is the complicity and silence malaise Nov 2020 #14
Not "merely" dereliction of duty, though... it's ALSO criminally negligent homicide. (nt) better Nov 2020 #16
+1,000 malaise Nov 2020 #17
Hey, Now Don't You be Counting the Deaths in Blue States in That Total The Roux Comes First Nov 2020 #34
I forgot malaise Nov 2020 #37
worst. president. ever. that will be his legacy...forever. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #8
I agree with you completely..Post # 8 is it. Stuart G Nov 2020 #9
Life after Larissa Nov 2020 #50
Trump will go down as worse than Buchanan, A. Johnson, Nixon and every other president in history. StevieM Nov 2020 #10
Nixon looks like a Girl Scout compared to Trump MissMillie Nov 2020 #12
Agree with you---trump is far, far worse than Nixon. Paladin Nov 2020 #25
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2020 #18
K&R UTUSN Nov 2020 #19
When? /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #20
A frivolous question: Will Disney include this dummie in the Hall of Presidents in Disneyworld? Kyblue1 Nov 2020 #21
I'd be more than happy to see Benedict Donald in the Hall of Presidents generalbetrayus Nov 2020 #31
Nixon didn't go to Jail,,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2020 #22
W was worse than Nixon. Sneederbunk Nov 2020 #23
That he and Cheney the Dick avoided a trial in The Hague is an outrage. OMGWTF Nov 2020 #36
He will not be running again. liberalmuse Nov 2020 #24
Mary Trump gave insight into why wnylib Nov 2020 #49
Nixon DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #26
Trump and W should share the worst president award. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #27
It's negligent homicide s-cubed Nov 2020 #28
when all is accounted for, he will be seen as the worst president of the modern era LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #29
My mother died five days ago from CoVid 19. Two other people in her nursing home also died. love_katz Nov 2020 #30
So sorry about your mom. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #33
Thank you. love_katz Nov 2020 #39
Deepest condolences on your mom's passing Kitchari Nov 2020 #40
Thank you. love_katz Nov 2020 #42
I know it's hard Kitchari Nov 2020 #43
Deepest sympathy malaise Nov 2020 #55
Thank you. love_katz Nov 2020 #57
I thought that was his plan from day one. He will forever be at the top of the WORST POTUS list. usaf-vet Nov 2020 #38
Of COURSE he'll go down worse than Nixon. Nixon at least observed public norms. nt LAS14 Nov 2020 #41
I wish there were a way to keep his portrait... 3catwoman3 Nov 2020 #44
For many other reasons why he is the way he is, one 'trait' to me is the word sprinkleeninow Nov 2020 #45
"If looked at this way, Trump is a criminal, and needs to be treated as one.." RobertDevereaux Nov 2020 #46
He did do "something"--he encouraged NOT doing best practices live love laugh Nov 2020 #52
It's a contest now between James Buchanan and Dump. roamer65 Nov 2020 #53
More to the point, Nixon was actually a GOOD President brooklynite Nov 2020 #54
And he tried to get us a healthcare plan. If not for Watergate, he'd be up there higher than Ike. TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #56
At least Nixon bowed out...Trump is gonna become a freak'n squatter LeftInTX Nov 2020 #58

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
7. I agree ..."no dignity ever" a "flame out" and totally disgraced and ignored. Except..Fox News..
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:07 PM
Nov 2020

..I think it will give him a forum, but some who watch...(yes some) will not agree with that. That is my
deepest belief.. (some will oppose his being on Fox, not many but "some", after all Trump is a "killer"

Chainfire

(17,519 posts)
3. You are wrong about Trump doing nothing
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

He worked hard, through words and example, to keep people from using masks; the best protection we have. If a National leader had the goal of making as many people sick from a disease he couldn't have improved on Trump's actions.

Shermann

(7,409 posts)
13. He also worked very hard at his pandemic counter-research program
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

That program taught us that the increase in cases is due to an increase in testing.

Although I'm still trying to figure out how a linear increase in testing can drive an exponential increase in cases.

We also got hydroxychloroquine from it.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
4. Nixon torpedoed Johnson at the Paris Peace Conference
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

That being said - in so many ways Trump is far worse than Nixon, it is not even close.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
5. How can you say that Trump will go down worse than Nixon when Nixon was forced to
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

resign his office? Trump has not been forced out of office and he will finish his term.

better

(884 posts)
15. Thing is...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Nov 2020

That's not a reflection on Trump, it's a reflection on the overwhelming majority of Republicans, who violated their oaths of office to protect and defend the Constitution.

Trump himself, however, will go down in history as MUCH worse than Nixon, and rightly so.
The two things are related, but not the same.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
35. Agree
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:01 PM
Nov 2020

and add Barr to the leading ReTHUG enablers. Nixon wasn't even impeached - he resigned for fear of being impeached.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
51. My point is that unlike Nixon Trump will probably be allowed to finish out his term.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

And on January 20, 2021 he will probably announce his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
47. Republicans in office did not side with
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:48 PM
Nov 2020

Nixon and protect him like they are doing today with Trump. Initially they stood by him, but as evidence came in, they pulled away. When the House was writing up the articles of impeachment, Republicans urged Nixon to resign "for the good of the country" (and the party).

Nixon did not have the stranglehold on the party that Trump has. He was not an agent for a foreign government.

ZERTErYNOthe

(199 posts)
48. Nixon wasn't forced
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

Nixon wasn't "forced" to resign. He saw what was inevitable, and made an admirable choice. Trump will never have the self awareness or integrity of Nixon.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
14. The worst part of these COvid 19 deaths and infections is the complicity and silence
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

from the entire ReTHUG party. I was watching someone on TV pointing out the global shock with the 230,000 deaths from that South-Asian tsunami in 2004. The official US death toll from Covid is over 250,000 and they are pretending this isn't happening.

This is murder by dereliction of duty and it is most foul.

Larissa

(790 posts)
50. Life after
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:03 PM
Nov 2020

When folks speculate about Trump eventually hosting some fabulous reality show or heading up some political non-profit, I wonder what planet they're living on. Trump willfully sat on his hands and watched Covid-19 savage the lives of 245,000 Americans, to say nothing of countless Americans left disabled, unable to work and bankrupted by enormous medical bills. There is no measurement for the enormity of suffering and grief in this country. Has Trump yet to offer any words of comfort? Trump cannot even fake a soul.

This is Trump's legacy: “You don’t want me jumping up and down, screaming ‘There’s going to be great death!’ and really causing some very serious problems for the country.” Trump watched thousands of Americans perish knowing they had inhaled SARS-CoV-2 and did nothing to warn them.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
10. Trump will go down as worse than Buchanan, A. Johnson, Nixon and every other president in history.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:18 PM
Nov 2020

He is the worst president we have ever had. And there is not a close second.

MissMillie

(38,545 posts)
12. Nixon looks like a Girl Scout compared to Trump
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:31 PM
Nov 2020

And Nixon was definitely not a Girl Scout.

Not only the worst President EVER, but definitely the most corrupt.

Paladin

(28,246 posts)
25. Agree with you---trump is far, far worse than Nixon.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:24 PM
Nov 2020

For all his many faults, nobody ever accused Nixon of being a stupid man. trump's stupidity is on display, every day/hour/minute. Can't wait for him to be flushed out of office.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
18. Recommended.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:41 PM
Nov 2020

Very interesting. Trump was impeached, Nixon wasn't. Trump was incapable of doing anything good for the country, Nixon did a couple of good things, most importantly resigning.

Kyblue1

(216 posts)
21. A frivolous question: Will Disney include this dummie in the Hall of Presidents in Disneyworld?
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:12 PM
Nov 2020

On a serious note, I cannot bear the thought that Trump could be listed along with Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and FDR in any museum of American history. Does the Smithsonian have to make any reference to this dark period in our history?

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
31. I'd be more than happy to see Benedict Donald in the Hall of Presidents
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:52 PM
Nov 2020

in Disneyworld, as long as he is dressed in prison orange and standing behind vertical bars.
As for a history museum, maybe they could put Cheeto in the Holocaust Museum. Yes, yes, I know he is not responsible for 6 million deaths, but he is likely responsible for at least half of the 250,000 coronavirus deaths to date in the US, and that's no small number of people.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
24. He will not be running again.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

Once Biden re-establishes our National Security apparatus and weeds all the Trump appointees who are trying to dig in like ticks, information is going to be leaked at just how obscenely corrupt Trump and his administration are. That, along with the sheer number of Americans who are going to end up with ongoing health issues or worse due to Trump's inaction. Dying from Covid is not going to be something people can continue to ignore or pretend doesn't exist. I hope it doesn't get is bad as it could, but if it does, hospitals are going to fill up and people will be sent home to die. We will hear of people dropping dead in public places, like what happened during the Spanish Flu. May the latter never, ever happen.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
49. Mary Trump gave insight into why
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 06:02 PM
Nov 2020

Donald will not run again. His ego could not take the risk of publicly losing. He can say that the 2020 election was rigged, and save face. But not if he runs again and loses.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
27. Trump and W should share the worst president award.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:30 PM
Nov 2020

I was just thinking of this irony:

* W lied to the American people and took us to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. He and Chaney used the power of government and our tax dollars to displace or kill hundreds of thousands of foreign people. But that was half a world away. Some say that mistake cost upwards of three trillion dollars, long-term.

* Conversely, Trump refused to use the power of government to aid the American people in a global pandemic and lied to us dozens of times about its seriousness and how to deal with it. As a result, over 240,000 American lives have been lost and a proper American effort would also have save tens of thousands of others around the globe. Trump's COVID-19 negligence may well cost the American economy as much as W's wars, long-term.


Conclusion: Republicans lie, kill a lot of people and try to bankrupt our government.....

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
28. It's negligent homicide
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:34 PM
Nov 2020

Glenn Kirschner former JAG and fed prosecutor says his inaction meets criteria for negligent homicide.

LymphocyteLover

(5,639 posts)
29. when all is accounted for, he will be seen as the worst president of the modern era
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:37 PM
Nov 2020

BY FAR and it should be seen by everyone with a brain. The fucking GOP is totally complicit though too. Complete traitors.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
30. My mother died five days ago from CoVid 19. Two other people in her nursing home also died.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:46 PM
Nov 2020

Eighteen of the caregivers in the nursing home have tested positive for CoVid, and have been sent home to quarantine. Some of the other residents of the nursing home have been sent to a facility that specializes in treating CoVid. I blame tRump and all who aided, abetted and supported him for the needless deaths and the untold suffering that has been caused. They are murderous scum, malignant piles of toxic waste. No consequence is harsh enough for the evil that they have done.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
39. Thank you.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:17 PM
Nov 2020

The manager of the home and at least one other employee couldn't be bothered to wear a mask. I blame tRump and everyone who supports him, for the spread of this kind of attitude. It is killing people by spreading the virus. I will NEVER forgive them!

Kitchari

(2,166 posts)
40. Deepest condolences on your mom's passing
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:23 PM
Nov 2020

Those vulnerable people in nursing homes right now--and their caregivers--oh, it's inestimable the damage and the suffering this administration is responsible for.

usaf-vet

(6,178 posts)
38. I thought that was his plan from day one. He will forever be at the top of the WORST POTUS list.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:12 PM
Nov 2020

He just had to be number one at something.

RobertDevereaux

(1,853 posts)
46. "If looked at this way, Trump is a criminal, and needs to be treated as one.."
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:40 PM
Nov 2020

Absolutely!

A criminal of the worst sort, a mass murderer of now over 250,000 of our citizens.

And EQUALLY GUILTY is every last damned Republican in Congress, who enabled him, said nothing, allowed children to be caged, refused to even try to remove the impeached asshole from office.

They are mass murderers all, guilty of crimes against humanity.

To The Hague with them all!

live love laugh

(13,095 posts)
52. He did do "something"--he encouraged NOT doing best practices
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 07:05 PM
Nov 2020

and rebellion against science, facts and law and order.

He created chaos.

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
54. More to the point, Nixon was actually a GOOD President
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020

Ended the military draft
Environmental Protection Agency
Amtrak
Title IX
Voting age lowered to 18

LeftInTX

(25,202 posts)
58. At least Nixon bowed out...Trump is gonna become a freak'n squatter
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:13 AM
Nov 2020

Just watch..on Jan 20th, he'll still be in the WH and no one will know what do about it...
The media will have a field day. SS will be reluctant to use force.

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