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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:39 AM Nov 2020

UhOh..Putin's party offices were on fire, just hours after Mob Boss Cortese flips in Italy




**Not saying for certain there's a connection between the 2 incidents, (just coincidental perhaps) BUT This Mob Story is damned fascinating nonetheless.


FILE UNDER, "KNOW YOUR MOBSTERS"




REGGIO CALABRIA, NOV 11 - The acting boss of one of the most powerful clans in Italy's richest and most powerful mafia, the Calabria-based 'Ndrangheta, has started collaborating with police from his prison cell, police said Wednesday.

This is a major breakthrough as he is the first 'Ndrangheta boss to help police.
The Calabrian organisation's rule
of silence or 'omertà' is even tighter than that of Cosa Nostra in Sicily, its older but less powerful cousin.
Maurizio Cortese, considered to be the 'regent' of the Serraino clan, has decided to become a confidential informant, judicial sources said.
Police said they hoped his turning state's evidence will help them fight 'Ndrangheta, which controls the European cocaine trade and has infiltrated the economies of Italy and many other countries. (ANSA).
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Just Who Is The Calabrian Organisation?
FROM 2007...LATIMES:

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-cocainearchive-dec272007-story.html?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

Little-known mafia is cocaine ‘king’
BY TRACY WILKINSON
DEC. 27, 2007

GIOIA TAURO, ITALY — Europe is fast overtaking the U.S. as the leading destination for the world’s cocaine, and a single Italian mafia is largely responsible.

The ‘Ndrangheta crime syndicate, a ruthless and mysterious network of 155 families born in the rough hills here in southern Italy’s Calabria region, now dominates the European drug trade. By establishing direct ties with Colombian producers and building a multibillion-dollar empire that spans five continents, the syndicate has metamorphosed into one of the craftiest criminal gangs in the world, authorities say.

“ ‘Ndrangheta is king,” said Sabas Pretelt de la Vega, a former Colombian interior minister who is his country’s ambassador to Rome.

The ‘Ndrangheta (pronounced en-DRAHN-geh-tah) peculiarly combines the modern skills of multinational-corporation high finance with a stubborn grip on archaic rural traditions.

Some members live in garishly opulent villas outside Madrid and invest in bustling restaurants and hotels in Germany, whereas others, including key bosses, remain in the dreary, closed Calabrian mountain villages of their birth.
It is a mafia of businessmen in Dolce & Gabbana, of sheepherders in scruffy woolens.
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UhOh..Putin's party offices were on fire, just hours after Mob Boss Cortese flips in Italy (Original Post) Budi Nov 2020 OP
Maybe they hate Putin more than we hate Trump nt OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #1
Whoa. If so, we may be witnessing the implosion of the Global Crime Syndicates. Budi Nov 2020 #4
Putin is crime boss 1. Trump tried to be crime boss 2. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #5
Hoo boy! Someone's gonna get their ass beaten 😬 Budi Nov 2020 #7
Party at Putin's... that place is ON FIRE! Blue Owl Nov 2020 #2
The roof. The roof. The roof is on fire. Mystery sage Nov 2020 #3
"a mafia of businessmen in Dolce & Gabbana, of sheepherders in scruffy woolens"... KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #6
Ain't that the truth! Trump's cabinet.. Budi Nov 2020 #8
Interesting read, Budi. brer cat Nov 2020 #9
Would be a relief wouldn't it? Trump should resign and go fight the mob war with Putin. Budi Nov 2020 #10
That would indeed be nice. calimary Nov 2020 #25
Still don't see any grounds for thinking there might be a connection... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #11
+1 Celerity Nov 2020 #13
Maybe United Russia insiders had to destroy evidence from poli-junkie Nov 2020 #14
Hahaha! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #12
No shit! Putin's HQ is on fire hours after the Italian mob boss flips to police!! Budi Nov 2020 #16
I know, right! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #24
There was a NY Russian mafia show on cable Saturday. They talked about how the Russian mafia C Moon Nov 2020 #15
Wow! Dots are being connected. I'd have liked to see that show. Budi Nov 2020 #18
Really Tied Together In The 90s ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #28
KNR Lucinda Nov 2020 #17
People losing control. Of what? Captain Zero Nov 2020 #19
Didn't McCabe just say there was some much darker info about Trump? Budi Nov 2020 #21
Another day, another conspiracy theory. LisaL Nov 2020 #20
I've checked MSN, BBC, and Guardian. wnylib Nov 2020 #22
Even if there were a party office in the building, LisaL Nov 2020 #23
Speculation being the fact that crime bond between Russia & .. Budi Nov 2020 #26
This is the same Italian Mafia group that abducted J. Paul Getty III in the 1970s. Vinnie From Indy Nov 2020 #27
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. Whoa. If so, we may be witnessing the implosion of the Global Crime Syndicates.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:01 AM
Nov 2020

The oldest mobsters in history vying for the ultimate territory.

Trump better leave us the hell out of it. What else has he sold off to Russia & Saudi besides our weapons systems.


All I gotta say is, who's the biggest mob boss ratting out to the Italian police?

There are some interesting replys on those Twitter links..

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
6. "a mafia of businessmen in Dolce & Gabbana, of sheepherders in scruffy woolens"...
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:11 AM
Nov 2020

sounds just like tRump's cabinet and his gaggle of deplorables while equally destructive and corrupt.....


Thanks for the OP, Budi......

brer cat

(24,525 posts)
9. Interesting read, Budi.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:22 AM
Nov 2020

I don't know what it means, but if there is a connection maybe Putin is in for some hurt. It would be nice to take his mind of us for a change.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. Would be a relief wouldn't it? Trump should resign and go fight the mob war with Putin.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:26 AM
Nov 2020

He just better not involve the US.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
25. That would indeed be nice.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

It’d be nice to see Putin take it in the shorts for a change. After all the trouble he’s caused us - and who knows how many others in how many other nations!

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
11. Still don't see any grounds for thinking there might be a connection...
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:40 AM
Nov 2020

Even if it could be shown that Putin or his party had ties to the Italian crime family, why would they need to destroy evidence back in Russia, where one would assume the government could keep the lid on any embarrassing disclosures. Now, had it been the Russian embassy in Italy that had burned, I’d have been more suspicious. As it is, it seems that these are two separate events with no connection.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. No shit! Putin's HQ is on fire hours after the Italian mob boss flips to police!!
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:26 AM
Nov 2020

Ya can't make ALL this stuff up. Can you?

Its going to come down to a horse head on the pilliw next to ya, or a fine cup of Novachek.

I can't wait for the movie 😬

C Moon

(12,210 posts)
15. There was a NY Russian mafia show on cable Saturday. They talked about how the Russian mafia
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:19 AM
Nov 2020

began working with the Italian mafia in New York City in the 80's.
It was extremely interesting. I could see that Putin is no genius: with Trump, he was merely using the tactics used in the 80's—but on a much higher level, of course.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
18. Wow! Dots are being connected. I'd have liked to see that show.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:42 AM
Nov 2020

I'm going to do a search on Direct TV of shows on NY Russian mafia. See what comes up.

That kinda makes things more curious when Pres Obama expelled the Russians. And then there's this reply in the Twitter story. Seems RU HQ's have a problem with fires!

Remember this similar incident? Just sayin...




The replies in the twitter threads are great.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
28. Really Tied Together In The 90s
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 08:02 PM
Nov 2020

Started in the 80s, but by the 90s, with the mafia reeling due to RICO, & the Russian outfit getting intensified scrutiny, they pulled a Luciano.
They went all in on a Commission style operation and no more wars.
Cocaine & heroin distribution went dark, and the DEA has been behind on that trail for 25 years.
The Calabria outfit spilling its guts may change things on the coke side, though.

Captain Zero

(6,788 posts)
19. People losing control. Of what?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:47 AM
Nov 2020

Trump desperately trying to assert some internal controls in the IC and DOD before leaving. Maybe to cover something up ?
PUTIN announced he was stepping down next year, if you believe it, and rumors of Parkinson's. Now his roof is on fire as though maybe burning to cover something up ?
All in conjunction(?) With an Italian mob boss flipping to spill his guts.

I wouldn't dismiss them as totally unconnected, yet.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. Didn't McCabe just say there was some much darker info about Trump?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:09 AM
Nov 2020

He was doing an interview
Will see if I can locate the clip of it.

It had to do with Trump's firing all NatSec lifers & it had to do with Trump keeping his darkest dealings from being known

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
20. Another day, another conspiracy theory.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:01 AM
Nov 2020

An old apartment building burned in Moscow, per what is being reported.
I haven't seen anything other than the tweet claiming the building was Putin's party headquarters.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
22. I've checked MSN, BBC, and Guardian.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:23 AM
Nov 2020

None of them has a report of a fire at Putin party offices.

I'd think that would merit at least a passing mention, minus the speculation about what it might mean.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
23. Even if there were a party office in the building,
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:26 AM
Nov 2020

why would Russia burn a building in Russia, because of a crime boss in Italy?
Italy would never be allowed to search a building in Russia.
At least this theory would make a bit of sense of the building was in Italy. But the building is in Russia.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
26. Speculation being the fact that crime bond between Russia & ..
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

...the ‘Ndrangheta crime syndicate dates back to the 80's/90's.
They're old business partners in mobster-ing.

Prob has something to do with the old RU Mob Boss, Semion Mogileviich

https://allthatsinteresting.com/semion-mogilevich

Why Russian Crime Lord Semion Mogilevich Lives Up To His Title As ‘The World’s Most Powerful Mobster’

Worth a read. 😬

As far as the Fire..it's just a wild connection based on other sudden rooftop fires that occurred shortly after RU was ordered to exit a country, like the US..



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