So, Moderna's vaccine is clearly superior. Will Pfizer even play a role in our recovery?

[Goodheart]

What's their stock looking like today?

[Happy Hoosier]

1. I would think both would be used.

The goal is to vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

[TheBlackAdder]

25. They're just working on getting the brain-controlling nanobots to be small enough. 🤣

[Happy Hoosier]

28. HA!

[unblock]

2. Given the production/distribution challenges, I suspect both would be used

[Brother Buzz]

3. Ford vs Chevrolet?

[mitch96]

13. As long as it get's you where you need to go........ virus free... nt

[Brother Buzz]

18. But, but Pfizer's comes with a designer suitcase, so maybe it's really Ford v Ferrari

Pfizer designed suitcase-sized shipping containers that will keep its doses at ultracold temperatures for up to 10 days. Each container holds between 1,000 and 5,000 doses, charged by dry ice. The shipping containers are reusable.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/pfizer-designed-new-container-and-plans-to-tap-shipping-companies-for-covid-19

[mitch96]

21. O000oooo I like the designer suit case...

[Alhena]

4. I read Pfizer's can be manufactured more quickly, plus with their head start

that means they should be first.

[TheBlackAdder]

27. 88% was already pre-ordered by other countries. Plus Pfizer's has refrigeration delivery issues.

[Native]

5. but is the efficacy the same or better?

[Johnny2X2X]

6. I don't trust Moderna

This is a company closely aligned with Jared, they've been exposed for lying before.

[Horse with no Name]

14. And they have NEVER brought a vaccine to market

That’s a hard stop for me

[Steelrolled]

20. I'm glad that didn't stop them from trying.

[Celerity]

16. links on this (Kushner connections and the Moderna lying before) please TIA

[mitch96]

22. " closely aligned with Jared," ok something stinks right there... hard stop is right!!

Follow the money and the science... Has not failed me yet...
YMMV
m

[NutmegYankee]

7. I think Pfizer can have theirs out first.

So it will be vital to first responders/medical staff.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

8. Superior according to whom? It's a press release based on preliminary phase III trial data. nt

[LisaL]

9. Clearly superior?

We have only seen preliminary reports from both companies.

[lapucelle]

10. And both need to be stored at sub-zero temperatures N/T

[sir pball]

29. No, the Moderna one can be refrigerated

It has an acceptable shelf life (2 weeks I think) at 36-46F. It lasts a lot longer at 4F, but that's still normal home freezer temperatures, the existing cold storage and distribution infrastructure is perfectly fine for those constraints.

[lapucelle]

34. Yes, I saw that later. I had read (or misread) an earlier report

that the it needed the lower temperature.

Thank you for the update!

[lagomorph777]

11. A few percent difference in the short-term efficacy is down in the noise.

A repeat of the studies with identical methods and larger samples would just as likely reverse the apparent result.

Other factors will be more important:

Ability to ramp up
Difficulty of storage and transport
Cost
Political factors
etc

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. Preliminary data.

That does not comfort me.

How many times have we seen early reports about some "promising" new medication that should cure, say, Alzheimer's forever, only to learn it simply doesn't have any impact on the disease in humans.

Yeah, I know these are clinical trials in humans, but then again, how many "promising" early clinical trials have turned out to be duds?

[MineralMan]

15. No, not clearly superior. Both are 90%+ effective, based on

preliminary trial results. That's a very high effectiveness rate for any vaccine.

So, both will probably be distributed and used. I'll take whichever one is available as soon as I can.

[Steelrolled]

17. I think they are about the same

based on what we know so far. I think the deciding factor will be who can make it the fastest.

[Steelrolled]

24. Pfizer and Moderna

use the same technology. The Oxford vaccine uses a different technology, but we don't have numbers for it yet.

[LisaL]

31. Yep, Oxford uses more traditional adenovirus based technology.

Moderna and Pfizer are both RNA based vaccines.

[lettucebe]

23. Don't think anything has been established as being "clearly superior" and both will be released

Whatever vaccine by whichever company makes it to your local pharmacy, that's the one you'll get. These are all preliminary results at this point. It'll be a few years before we know the real truth. They don't even know how long the vaccine will last as of yet. Give it time.

[LisaL]

30. Exactly.

Each company can make limited doses initially. Not enough to vaccinate the whole population.
So I am assuming whichever one your local places can get their hands on will be available initially.

[spanone]

26. Moderna's PRESS RELEASE is clearly superior.

[Goodheart]

32. Point taken.

[spanone]

33. That's all we got from Pfizer too. No peer review, no FDA review.

sure gives their stocks a boost.