Attacked By Neighbor of 20 Years

[rustysgurl]

I swear to God people are losing all semblance of reason.

I was out raking leaves just now, minding my own business. A near neighbor, who I've known for over 20 years, walked up to chat (as she has done many times before). I said the typical "Hi, how you doing?" and I guess that was all she needed. She absolutely launched. It was MY fault Biden was elected. It's MY fault the country is ruined. Apparently having a Biden sign in my front yard was way more powerful than I ever imagined. And our state went for Trump, so it's obvious my vote didn't make a difference.

She grabbed the rake out of my hand and pushed me, screaming that I needed to move "somewhere else". Thankfully, my next door neighbor came out, yelling that he had called 911. You would have thought that would have slowed her down, but no. She continued to push me, swinging the rake and screaming that I had ruined her life and that I needed to leave. Another neighbor came out and ran over to try to wrestle the rake out of her hands. He got whacked in the head.

Fortunately, there's usually a patrol car sitting less than a mile away at our local park, so the response time was swift. They hopped out and ended up having to wrestle the rake out of her hands. All the while she is ranting and raving, spit flying (no mask, of course). They ended up cuffing her and putting her in the squad car, at which point she started banging her head against the glass. I felt like I was in a bad episode of Live PD or COPS. Neighbors up and down the street were outside watching the spectacle. The police had to hogtie her to keep her from injuring herself. All the while she was wailing that Trump was President and my "kind" needed to leave the country. My kind? I'm a 63 y/o white woman.

Both I and my neighbor are pressing charges. I'm sitting here in shock, trying to understand how someone I considered a nice neighbor could have lost all reason. I can only think that she is suffering from some mental disorder and has had a break of some kind.

Right after the election the SO and I had a talk about moving to a "blue" state, given all the craziness going on. I didn't want to, but sadly, I am rethinking that decision.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Holy crap! Had she ever shown any signs of weirdness

or mental illness before this? That's really frightening. I wonder how many other people who might already be a little unstable will go off the deep end like that?

Come to Minneapolis, my whole neighborhood are devout Democrats.

[Turin_C3PO]

31. I've thought about moving there or Saint Paul.

Do you have an idea how much a house might cost in a lower middle class or working class neighborhood? I’d prefer not to live in any unsafe areas but I’m not too afraid and would consider anywhere.

[lunatica]

45. Doing a Zillow search will get you a huge amount of information

You can look up housing prices all over the country with the added benefit of lots and lots of photos. It’s fun too.

You can also then look up all the information you need about any given area in the internet. You can look up demographics, racial breakdowns, climate, median salary, etc.

I moved to New Mexico and was house sitting for a friend and I did all this. By the time I got my condo in Santa Fe I knew tons of information about housing, general pricing, locations and demographics of each area. It led me to make a great decision on buying a condo in a great area.

[Turin_C3PO]

56. Ok thanks!

[fwvinson]

127. I spent the last 2 yrs. looking at Zillow. Finally, moved to a wonderful piece of property

Couldn't be happier.

[lunatica]

208. I get notifications from Zillow showing

the raising value of my condo. I still window shop with it. It’s fun! You can look at million dollar houses for sale any time or cute cottages or houses clear across the country. It’s better and more fascinating than looking at any magazine, because the houses listed are for sale so they’re dresses up very nicely.

[flibbitygiblets]

273. my spouse has something of a zillow addiction. We call it "land barroning", lol.

Me: "what are you looking at?"
Mr. Giblets: "Nothing."
Me: "are you land barroning?"
Mr. Giblets: "There's a 3 bedroom, 2 bath on the Big Island for only..."

Seriously, it's both a light hobby and can be very helpful. After a couple of years of him browsing, we did pull the trigger and bought an investment property for a really good deal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

46. There's a pretty wide range.

Zillow average: https://www.zillow.com/saint-paul-mn/home-values/ Less expensive neighborhoods would be Selby-Dale (though that's become fairly gentrified lately), Swede Hollow, and generally the east side of the city.

[Turin_C3PO]

58. Thank you!

[BainsBane]

54. You can get a small house in the city

for $250k or so. There are some great deals on nice condos, most less than $250k, but you have to pay HOA fees.

[Turin_C3PO]

61. Thank you for that info!

[sboatcar]

124. In most of minneapolis you're looking in the 250k+ range

[ahlnord]

166. Minneapolis/St. Paul

For affordable living just 10 minutes from downtown Minneapolis to the west and 10 minutes from downtown St. Paul to the east, I recommend the tiny, postage-stamp-sized suburb of Lauderdale. It borders both cities where they meet on the north. It has the look and feel of a modest small town. It is also adjacent to the University of Minnesota agriculture campus, so there are student farm fields, golf course, etc. that give one the feel of the country, as well. Most of the homes (though not all) are modest and small, but it is very safe and has a fine school district. And they are very quick to plow the snow! It votes blue all the time. Where would you be moving from? I congratulate you for not making winter the highest priority. Living in a safe, liberal, well-educated area is the most wonderful feeling, and cold weather is a great bonding time. Good luck with your plans.

[JonLP24]

192. I'm not sure why we are always quick to blame mental illness

I don't fall for Qanon or stuff like that and I have disabilities from war. Dealing with trauma I just usually keep to myself and wouldn't be caught dead doing an outburst like that.

Normal people fell for Jim Jones cult and it could be as simple as Trump lies and people believe him.

[spooky3]

259. People believe them because they WANT to believe them.

You make a good point about mental illness.

[olegramps]

265. Trump and his core of hate radio and internet brainwashed millions are beyond hope.

We desperately need the return of a Fairness Doctrine to counter the effect that these hate mongers who are sowing
insanity on the networks. Allow them their right of free speech, but demand that the airwaves, which are property of the people and only operate with a license, be held accountable for misleading and dangerous propaganda. This will not cease until they are properly held accountable to dangerously misleading the citizens.

[Upthevibe]

284. olegramps.....Regarding the return of the Fairness Doctrine...

This MUST happen! When we look at all the factors that contributed to the situation we're in and have been in for many years, the devastating impact right-wing am radio can not be overstated. I'm going to start (and I've been meaning to anyway) a separate thread to get feedback about how we can make this happen.

[aggiesal]

295. Does anyone remember when a TV station would have "Here's an editorial from our Station Manager ..."

Then the Station Manager would editorialize for about 2 minutes on some local subject and finish with "That's how I see it."

Then someone the following week would appear "Here's a Rebuttal from about last weeks editorial", and that person would rebut for about 2 minutes.

When was the last time we've seen anything like that recently?

[The Wielding Truth]

300. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[The Blue Flower]

2. I'm glad you're okay

What a scary thing. Sounds like she has something going on that pushed her over the edge. I'd get an injunction.

[MagickMuffin]

3. Good goddess, sorry that happened to you

She just ruined her own life by her own actions.

Of course she will view it as your aggression against her and therefore she bears no responsibility just like her dear leader.


How old is she?

[rustysgurl]

10. She's a widow, in her 70s.

[lagomorph777]

21. I hope she gets some serious time for assault - assaulting cops doesn't play well,

even if you're white.

[whopis01]

55. I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.

You are right to press charges. Something has to happen to get the ball rolling.

[RobinA]

68. Sounds Like A Mental Health

issue. That's pretty extreme for even a Trump cultist. Well people don't do that sort of thing. Especially fighting with cops and swinging rakes at people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

199. Perhaps some dementia is a factor

[bedazzled]

220. My mom got strange when she had liver disease

When she had an infection she got ammonia in her blood. She may have a UTI or something. Hopefully it will be something curable like that. Probably sits and stews and worried herself into hysteria

[Rural_Progressive]

223. Of course the old chestnut for goofy behavior

the brain tumor would probably be included in any decent differential diagnosis.

[Rebl2]

132. Possibly early

stages of Alzheimer’s. I found my mother to be more aggressive when her Alzheimer’s got worse.

[True Blue American]

299. You are so right!

Many get angry and paranoid. My MIL was the kindest person you would ever meet. But as she began to get bad she decided one DIL was stealing from her. Then she became fearful of everyone.

[Atania of Sargeras]

176. Qanon is big in this age group!

This sounds just like the stuff I've read Qanon Casualties subreddit lately.

[certainot]

180. yikes. does she listen to talk radio?

[dixiegrrrrl]

238. Sounds physically agile for her age.

Don't wanna be an alarmist, but the arrest might have added to her rage. An injunction/restraining order
might be in order.
I' suggest keeping a list of her behavior towards you and others. Comes in handy if needed. It did for me
when I had a crazy neighbor.

Are there any sane relatives who might need to check in on her?

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

4. I'm thinking this woman has been mentally ill for a while

and this election caused her to reach a breaking point. Hopefully, she can get some help to straighten herself out. That is certainly bizarre behavior.

[PatSeg]

18. That's what I'm thinking

about a lot of the stories I've been reading, that Trump has just brought the mental instability of some people to the surface. "Bizarre" is a word I've been using a lot lately.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

32. I think Trump has triggered mental illness in many Americans

over the past four years.. both Republicans and Democrats. Republicans have become delusional, irrational, paranoid, angry, and aggressive. Democrats have become depressed and plagued with anxiety.

[PatSeg]

42. It appears so

We all have problems in varying degrees and given the right circumstances, they can come to the surface in unexpected ways. I think Trump and his enablers have magnified things that already exist.

I agree with your assessment of how it affects republicans and Democrats in different ways. Also it would differ according to a person's knowledge of history and authoritarian regimes. I think those with a wider understanding of history are more inclined to be very fearful and traumatized by Trump and the republicans. What we are witnessing is really very similar to 1930s Germany.

[FrankTC]

69. Republicans Were Already Delusional, Irrational, Paranoid, Angry, and Aggressive

To varying degrees they tend to be threat-sensitive and hypervigilant. Always on the lookout for hidden dangers and ambush predators. They were this way before Trump, but they have become more ginned-up and angry because he and Fox News keep telling them that the behavior of the rest of the country is outrageous and unconscionable. For example, winning elections and getting all uppity thinking that we should have as much say as they. The nerve.

[miyazaki]

102. Yes. Well said.

The majority of them don't live in a fact based reality, and are so mentally compromised they are beyond an education.

[summer_in_TX]

253. Even before FOX News came along

conservative talk radio used the airwaves for targeting their anger on liberals and people of color.

"The Brainwashing of My Dad" documents that well. But it also offers hope that one can deprogram even those who spend years full of anger and hatefulness.

[Upthevibe]

283. summer_in_TX...I have a friend who told me about the documentary, "The Brainwashing

of My Dad." I can't access it but am hoping it'll end up on Netflix.

[summer_in_TX]

296. I think I streamed it from the website

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

[usaf-vet]

108. Just listen to this. And while you do remember both of these CRAZY behaviors are TRUMP'S FAULT!

Link to tweet

[Crunchy Frog]

161. Such a politically incorrect thing to die from/s.

At least they won't be voting again.

[Meowmee]

173. I am wondering if they are getting steroids and antivirals etc. as well

[Richard58]

234. I have no pity for them.

These asshats that ignore the rules and end up getting Covid piss me off. So they are dying in the hospitals from the Corona virus but still denying that it is real and that they have it? Morons! Anyone in that much denial deserves what they get. They get no sympathy from me! They can't admit that their savior Dotard Donnie lied to them so they are going to their grave telling themselves they have the flu, cancer or whatever. I see it as a plus. It's depleting the population of stupid reactionaries we have in this country!

[ShazzieB]

251. I'm with you, sadly

I can't bring myself to feel any pity for these chuckleheads, either. Especially those who yell abusive crap at people who are literally risking their lives to care for them. That's just beyond the pale, afaic. Maybe God can forgive that behavior, but I don't have it in me to do it.

[Upthevibe]

286. Richard58.

They don't believe in the illness that they're literally dying from but they (not all but a shockingly significant number) believe this:

QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against US President Donald Trump, who is fighting the cabal. QAnon also commonly asserts that Trump is planning a day of reckoning known as the "Storm", when thousands of members of the cabal will be arrested. No part of the conspiracy claim is based in fact. QAnon supporters have accused many liberal Hollywood actors, Democratic politicians, and high-ranking government officials of being members of the cabal.[9] They have also claimed that Trump feigned conspiracy with Russians to enlist Robert Mueller to join him in exposing the sex trafficking ring and preventing a coup d'état by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Bill Gates, Dr. Fauci, and Hollywood A-listers. I recently learned that a Dr./Author who I really used to admire believes this too, Dr. Christine Northrup....

And their hero is dt....

[electric_blue68]

294. Oh no, Christine Northrup!?! Woah, yikes!

[Texin]

148. No kidding. He's certainly made me feel unhinged for four years. But I've never gone a

spit-slinging rage before. Seriously, you neighbor (based on her age range) may be in the grip of dementia.

[mountain grammy]

235. I think so too

[cstanleytech]

280. Triggered? No. Fed and nurtured it? Yes.

[colorado_ufo]

43. Mental illness can be hidden pretty effectively at times

until something like the increased isolation from Covid-19, or incitement from endless Trump speeches and rallies, can push it out into the open.

I am so sorry that this happened to you, and I am sorry that this gal fell apart at this time in her life.

Very sad, but I am glad that you and neighbor are pressing charges. This may lead to the help that she obviously, desperately needs.

[PatSeg]

67. Yes, everyone is being tested right now

and some are doing better than others. No one will come out of this unaffected though.

[fwvinson]

129. The best therapy starts by getting the hell off of Faux News.

[Neoma]

140. Well. People without mental illnesses are under a lot of strain from the pandemic.

It doesn't have to be that she had a mental illness. But she sure did reach a breaking point with her mental health.

[leftieNanner]

5. How Very Frightening!

I'm glad you weren't hurt and I applaud your willingness to press charges.

Good Luck.

[ALBliberal]

6. Dear Lord! I'm thankful you are ok rustygurl!

And good on you calling the police! This is just insane the delusion of these people!! It’s frightening and these people in this cult of Trump our dangerous!

[Roland99]

7. All the more proof it's a cult

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. Sorry you had to go through this, but I am glad you are pressing charges.

I know that it is a reach, but this was in all actuality, attempted murder.

We are in a similar situation of living in a stupid red state, but I've been here 64 years. I'm not moving. There are red idiots everywhere, in every state.

[SheltieLover]

137. The rake was a weapon & she struck tge neighbor in the head

Should up the assault to aggravated assault, right?

So glad OP & neighbor are pressing charges for this unacceptable, anti-social behavior.

[Ferrets are Cool]

141. She was unmasked and screaming in her face.

What if she contracted covid and died? Would it be murder then?

[SheltieLover]

146. Oh, I agree!

But stupid patriarchy likes tangible things (ie, rake).

I sure hope she wasn't infected by this raving covidiot!

[Ferrets are Cool]

147. Hell, if she lived in FL

she could have shot her. People have been shot for MUCH less there with the Stand Your Ground law.

[SheltieLover]

150. And they are trying to broaden that law!

[Ferrets are Cool]

155. DeSantis is a crazy MFer

[SheltieLover]

156. Rotten to the core!

Needs a cell qt gitmo w/ shitstain!

[redstatebluegirl]

281. They only want you to be able to shoot Black and Brown people though, not old White women.

[SheltieLover]

285. In TN gov lee & repukes

Held a special session to make it a felony to protest on state property.

Same type of deal.

[texasfiddler]

9. I am glad you are pressing charges.

I am thinking about moving my family to Colorado.

[onethatcares]

11. the LEOs should

sweep her house for firearms.

She's way more than one toke over the line.. Way more.

[peacefreak2.0]

12. I am so sorry that happened to you.

Have you thought about a restraining order? Sounds so scary.

[lunasun]

49. +1 best move

[Aristus]

13. Being a Trump supporter IS a mental illness.

But it doesn't appear in the DSMV-5, so if she wants to cop a mental health plea, she'll need to think of something else.

I hope you'll be all right soon...

If that had happened to me, I'd still be shaking...

[Upthevibe]

287. Aristus....

I agree. There's something truly "not right" with people who support him. I believe that if someone is "off" anyway, dt magnifies their issues. Also, if someone was/is already mean-spirited and hateful by nature, they've thrived with dt as their leader. Then throw in the cult part of this equation and this is what we end up with....

[samnsara]

14. press the charges, that may be the only way she gets the help she needs..

....even in my blue state there are still nutters everywhere.

[hlthe2b]

23. I agree.

[lagomorph777]

24. She needs jail time. She'll meet lots of like-minded nice people there.

[wnylib]

128. A 70 something widow "needs" jail time?

Could be dementia brought on by age and/or physical disorder. She needs a thorough physical and mental evaluation, first. And her neighbors need protection orders for themselves. I'd wait on the jail time to see how the physical and mental evals turn out.'

[lagomorph777]

134. Sorry - not feeling the tiniest bit of charity for these pigs. Regardless of age.

Evil is not like wine - it does not age well.

[LuvNewcastle]

190. I agree.

The woman did a terrible thing, but I don't think we should lock up an old person and throw away the key because she lost control of herself. At her age, there are many things that could be wrong with her, and the state of her health needs to be determined. And while she did an awful thing, she didn't maim or kill anyone.

Another thing that should be considered is her prior behaviour. If she's been a good neighbor for the past 20 years without any hint of violence toward anyone, she should be given the benefit of the doubt until they're sure what caused these attacks. You don't throw a so-far decent person away because of one incident unless the incident is heinous and/or was done out of spite rather than because of illness.

Finally, it's understandable that we're defensive in a situation like this because of all the hate in our politics these days, but it might not have been in her nature all these years to attack someone for having different political beliefs. It could very well be a combination of poisonous propaganda with mental illness that caused this incident. The woman is dangerous in her present state, no doubt, and everyone should make sure they aren't victimized by her again. But have some compassion for the woman if it turns out she deserves it. This is going to be a sad end for her as well, and it's even sadder if this situation occurred for reasons beyond her control.

[wnylib]

196. Thanks for spelling out more

clearly what I was trying to say.

One thing that made me think that this could be an aberration caused by a disorder is the OP description of 20 years of normal interactions with the woman.

I'd be very shaken by such an attack and the neighbors are right to press charges. But the court should consider her past behavior and possible conditions before passing judgment. An old woman, living alone, being fed constant propaganda from her media sources and perhaps relatives, could snap if she also has some of the ailments that affect judgment in some seniors.

[MontanaMama]

15. Good lord!

Drink some water and practice some self care this afternoon. You were assaulted!! Thank you for pressing charges...it might be the only thing this sorry excuse for a human can understand. I hope that you're okay and your neighbor is too.

[Statistical]

16. Oh she IS suffering from a mental disorder. Trumpism is a mental disorder.

Fuck Fox News. Fuck OANN. Fuck Facebook. Fuck Trump. They have poisoned the soul of America.

[jayschool2013]

139. Amen. NT

[mountain grammy]

237. So true.

[Upthevibe]

288. Statistical....

You're right. A.M. radio (Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) and Fox news have been major components to having created this horrific situation.

[progressoid]

17. I know people who were afraid to put out yard signs this year for just this reason.

Stay strong. You have the backing of most of the sane world.

[keepthemhonestO]

36. exactly

and they talk about shy Bush voters and shy trump voters, nope! shy democrats and I live in a red state in a red neighborhood. Oh let me take that back, it's a blue state Georgia and my neighborhood is usually heavily red but I saw an even split for signs!!

[ALBliberal]

19. As mentioned above this woman should be no where near a firearm!!

[jcgoldie]

20. Wow... I'm hoping...

January 20th this is just the scene you described on the white house lawn when they drag Trump out...

[MaryMagdaline]

22. And we keep feeling sorry for these people and letting them off the hook

I know she’s Sick but her nastiness is who she is. She’s not curled up in a ball with depression ... she’s out attacking people by force. Shows that in her heart of hearts she feels that she’s entitled to rule over people.

Don’t drop charges unless she agreed to therapy and/or medication

[lagomorph777]

25. +1 Fuck them. Let her rot in jail.

[Maeve]

26. Only agree to drop the charges if she agrees to get psychiatric help

Compassion for illness, but...sorry you went thru this

[mgardener]

158. You cannot force someone to get mental health counseling

Nor can you force them to continue to attend sessions unless it is court ordered.
Press charges and let the judicial system sort it out.

[Catherine Vincent]

27. What the hell? Yeah, she definitely had something mental going on.

Don't you and your hubby dare leave because of that unhinged Trumper.

[sarcasmo]

28. #Cult45 is scary. I would recommend a restraining order.

[Paladin]

29. So glad you're pressing charges.

We just need to get used to the fact that 70 million people in this country aren't worth a shit. I'm in favor of whatever it takes to make them behave themselves.

[Roy Rolling]

30. Off her medication

There's some medical issue here, if it isn't addressed this will become a regular occurrence. She needs help.

[Miigwech]

34. Sorry you were at the receiving end of her delusional breakdown

this is happening all over the country because of trump. He constructed this world for people that was completely false and sadly for those who bought it, the psychological crash has come. They are very afraid. Rakes are one thing, guns are another. Glad you are safe and I hope she gets help and an arrest record so they keep an eye on her.

[keepthemhonestO]

35. omg

I am so sorry, I never would dream a neighbor would get this crazy. Definitely press charges, I am glad you had witnesses to this. Wow just wow.

[pamdb]

37. state

What state are you in?

[rustysgurl]

41. KS

[T Ruth Phairy]

39. Wit's end

Oy. sorry about that, but glad to hear you will press charges. Enough Dem 'kumbayah' nonsense. It doesn't work.


It's like the Shymalan movie 'The Happening' where people glaze over, and start malfunctioning.

Generally, people who reach the end of their ability to reason, begin lashing out. The Right has always had less reason than the Left (and great suspicion of anyone with an intellectual life). But Trump really freed up rank-and-file lunatics to shriek their half-developed thoughts.

I ended a relationship with a family member (who had been a journalist) after she continued supporting Trump following the Florida Gazette newsroom murders ...which happened because Trump pilloried the media. That was more than 2 years ago.


I'm new here!
This board helped me and some friends stay sane the last few months.
Hello everybody...

[ALBliberal]

48. Welcome to DU! Yes this board also gets me through trying times!

So thankful for the articles posted the insightful posts but especially thankful for the laughs! Very smart witty folks on DU!

[yonder]

50. Welcome!

[Bongo Prophet]

75. Welcome to DU, T Ruth!

It's a good place to be at times. Both informational and/or contentious, depending on one's style and interests. A lot of good science posts, archeology, etc if you like a breadth of info. Enjoy!

[Paper Roses]

90. Great post, thank you and welcome to DU. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

165. Hi and welcome. I lurked for several months before joining too, back in the day.

[LittleGirl]

256. Welcome to DU!

Love your screen name.

[littlemissmartypants]

260. Welcome to DU. ❤ nt

[Upthevibe]

289. T Ruth Phairy....

Welcome to DU....

I've been a member since the 2000 election and I honestly don't know what I would've done all these years without this community. My post count is low because I've had computer crashes over the years and had to start over with brand new user names.

I can't hardly believe it's been two decades since Bush V. Gore. That's what catapulted me from being a voter to being an activist.

[vercetti2021]

40. Good fucking Lord

Apparently Donald Trump losing just snapped they're fucking minds. I'm glad you're okay but jesus what the fuck is wrong with these people? Why is Donald Trump a fucking messiah to these people? Lord these fuckers are truly insane

[JaneQPublic]

44. Is her name Karen? (nt)

[Oppaloopa]

122. Please I am a Karen and 71

[Norbert]

47. Why should you have to move?

She initiated the trouble, not you. She sounds like there was something mental to begin with and the trump/faux brainwashing was the catalyst. Your other neighbor, no matter how he voted, tried to cool the situation down and tried to be a good citizen so your neighborhood isn't all bad.

Remember, West Virginia was a blue state not that long ago.

Sorry you had to deal with someone elses problem.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

51. The Trump Party has no room for critical thinking or reason.

And admitting you were wrong is verboten. It leaves room only for crazy Q-anons and those accepting of Q-anons. Prepare for more.

[dustyscamp]

52. This shouldn't have happened

You got it worse than a neighbor over here with Biden/Harris signs it only got egged. No confrontation or anything so far. Fucking Trump will keep stoking all this hatred till he finally croakes

[Nikki28]

53. So sorry

to hear this. I would press charges too. A few of my friends stopped speaking to me now. After the election ,one of their kids was telling me the Joe Biden team changed the votes. My sister is still hard to reach. I try to act normal around these people because they seems to have been brain washed. It is sad that people can be gas lighted like this.

I think they will be lost until their last breath.I can't even show my happiness in public without offending people. I just assume many wanted a white America with a strong crazy man leading.I am in a red state of NC and there are mixed bags here.It is torture. Glad you are safe from these crazies.

[Jspur]

249. As a fellow North Carolinian I would say we are more of purple state and at

best barely red in the range of 51-49. I live in Wake County I don't see that many nutcases around her but it depends on the county you live in.

[littlemissmartypants]

262. You too, Jspur.

If you're interested you can check in and say hello in the North Carolina group here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14567928

❤lmsp

[littlemissmartypants]

261. Hi! If you're interested you can check in and say hello in the North Carolina group here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10696765



❤ lmsp

[rustysgurl]

57. Just got a phone call from her son.

First off, he asked if I was ok. Then he apologized for what happened. I guess she has been on psych meds since his Dad passed last year.

He then asked me not to press charges, and said they were in the process of moving her into assisted living and selling the house. I was actually giving it some thought when he popped off with ...

"This wouldn't have happened if you hadn't put that sign in your yard."

Still pressing charges. Told him not to call me again.

[BainsBane]

63. stupid shit

He blew it for his mom. She'll probably get off with a warning due to her age and mental state.

[ALBliberal]

66. Yes press charges. How dare he try to make it about your sign! A non apology for sure!

[Norbert]

71. I guess 'free country' is a one way street

I would press on with filing charges but it is your call.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

72. Too bad her son screwed it up for her. Even if she is mentally ill,

you are not responsible for whatever might set her off, especially a sign on your own lawn. I hope they do get her out of your neighborhood and get her back on her meds, but you are certainly within your rights to press charges anyhow.

[mtngirl47]

81. Good. Don't back down.

They always want to blame others for their actions.

As for your OP....several years ago I mentioned to my daughter that we should all move to a blue state and that wise woman said this: We have to stay here to help turn our state blue and be the voice of reason!

Georgia and Arizona should give us all hope!

Take care of yourself!

[bif]

86. The son sounds like a real asshole

Definitely press charges.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

89. What will you get out of pressing charges?

[oldsoftie]

106. Justice?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

111. What does that look like?

[hatrack]

114. A violent, potentially mentally ill person who no longer lives next door?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

115. But it sounds like that was already happening, without pressing charges?

[hatrack]

119. Maybe, if her son were telling the truth . . .

Given the son's subsequent comments, grain of salt.

[Ilsa]

232. I wouldn't believe him. I think he was making

It up for sympathy and to put the victim off guard, thinking the problem will go away.

Press charges, leave it up to the judge.

[Mariana]

247. The son is planning to put his mother into assisted living.

That shouldn't happen, at least not until she's been evaluated and properly treated for mental illness, if that's what she needs. Sure, she didn't really hurt the OP or the other neighbors, but how are the other residents of the assisted living facility going to fare when she freaks out and goes after them? They're old and/or disabled, and she might hurt them badly. The OP is doing the right thing.

[SWBTATTReg]

276. Good thoughts (evaluate more thoroughly before placing)...my thought is that she's already ...

must have had things happen that made her son and others think about putting her in a assisted living facility, perhaps? So, in effect, the son is probably her guardian and perhaps (depending on where he lives) bears some responsibility (legally and morally).

[A HERETIC I AM]

242. How about a well publicized example to others not to be a complete horses ass?

It used to be that a good, solid public shaming would deter others to not act in the same fashion.

[LanternWaste]

121. What do you think the result would be if wholly ignored?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other; each with their own particular relevance, yes?

[grantcart]

207. Well one thing would be a police inspection to see if she had any weapons

And her listing on a "do not sell" gun list


She will likely get probation and the supervision she needs which could include an adjustment to her medicine.

[MerryBlooms]

221. Maybe prevent her from pulling a weapon during another encounter?

Why are you excusing this behavior throughout this thread?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

227. Lol that asking what justice looks like is "excusing this behavior throughout this thread."

[MerryBlooms]

230. That wasn't your only post.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

231. Where did I excuse it tho

[kcr]

297. lol you're not fooling anybody

[WhiskeyGrinder]

298. Since I'm not trying to fool anybody, I suppose that's a good thing.

[Wawannabe]

98. And blamed for the sign too?

Her son obviously a tRumper!

Pressing charges will at least get it on record. His attitude is kinda scary in that he knows who you are and where you live.
If something else happens in future the record will be there and can be added to if necessary. OMG! What an ASSHOLE!

Others have said don't move, but you know what's goin on around you and hopefully can judge for yourself the aggravation and possible harm that you may have to endure in the future.

My heart with you. ❤️

[WyattKansas]

107. I bet the son is sponging off the inheritance & forcing mom to move into a home for the house money.

Her son has probably been telling her that it is all the people who voted for Biden are to blame for her losing her house and money.

Those good old Republican values hard at work being passed down from generation to generation in their 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' lie for others. They just can't accept that their policies and ideals are all failures.

[marlakay]

133. The woman definitely had a breakdown

But after having to move my mom a few years ago reading this story I think what she is really upset about is her son forcing her into assisted living. My mom was much older 90 when I moved her and had fallen and needed to move even so losing ones house is hard and my mom was so angry at us for moving her. Her doctor called me and told me she had to go, she had been fighting going for years. My mom is tough kept working till 80 the last few years was part time but she was determined.

So I think she used Trump as an excuse because she was upset about losing election. But the real anger is losing her husband and home and at her son. Easier to get mad at a neighbor than your son.

[LuvNewcastle]

212. That's probably the case.

She lost her husband and now her son is running her out of her own house, so she lost it. Now that we have the bigger picture and we see what an asshole the son is, I think it's likely that he is a cause of all this. He probably told his mother that he can't take care of her anymore because the Democrats are ruining the economy, so she decided to take it all out on the most visible 'enemy' she could find. This is so sad.

Due to what the son said to the victim, I think all the victims should sue. Her life is probably ruined anyway, and it would hurt the son to have to pay for a lawyer and damages out of the estate, so I say fuck him. This shit is more his fault than anyone else's.

[reACTIONary]

151. Press charges. He can tell it to the judge. If...

... it's true, and she is resisting assisted living, this incident will help him to get her that help. If not, they will be just and merciful.

[Mariana]

170. He wants to place your neighbor into an assisted living facility?

How much do you want to bet he has no plans to inform them that she's violently mentally ill, and a danger to the other residents.

[coeur_de_lion]

195. Good for you. Fuck him, and her.

[MustLoveBeagles]

214. Wow

That call from the son started out okay but he was out of line to blame you for this. I wonder if he's in just as much denial as she is.

[raccoon]

215. Good for you. The nerve of him, trying to blame it on you. Nt

[greenjar_01]

216. They. can't. Fucking. Help. Themselves.

What a schmuck.

[Ilsa]

233. Press charges. Let the judge sort out any truly mitigating factors.

Being a republican shouldn't get her special privileges.

[littlemissmartypants]

264. The gall. Adding insult to injury!

Great job, standing up to that attempt at leveraging his male privilege.

You're absolutely entitled to your legal rights under the law and I would definitely stand firm in my decision to press charges. There needs to be a paper trail so the assisted living facility gets a heads up on her volatile personality.



❤ lmsp

[MrsCoffee]

268. I would get a restraining order against both of them.

The son seems to have a bit of what mom has.

[SWBTATTReg]

275. Good for you. The nerve. Of course they all have the right to flaunt and put up their signs, but

when it comes to our candidate(s), no.

Thing is, you do have perhaps some control over who buys the place from his Mom, so I would think that he needs to apologize and 'man up', if they want some eyes on the property while they're trying to dispose of it.

SMH at your experience. My god...also, I was pleasantly surprised that quite a few of your other neighbors came out to defend you/help you...that's a good feeling that we all want, as good neighbors to each other. My best to you.

[Upthevibe]

290. Rustywgurl......

OMG! I was feeling this sympathy for her until you posted what her son said....F..... THEM!!!

[Upthevibe]

291. Rustysgurl......

OMFG! I was feeling sympathy for her until you posted what her son said....F..... THEM!!!

[BainsBane]

59. How frightening for you

Trump is riling them up with his lies, all to appease his sick ego.

[Blue Owl]

60. Sounds like an X-File almost

These MAGATs have been infected or mentally invaded with some kind of kill switch activated by the rectum-mouth of Donald Fucking tRump...

[njhoneybadger]

62. Holy Mother of God, that's crazy

[PatrickforO]

64. She launched. Geez.

Some of these people are deranged, and Trumpism really is a cult.

Millions of Americans will need to be deprogrammed.

[NurseJackie]

65. This kind of thing is happening more and more. Sorry it happened to you.

[Wicked Blue]

70. How awful! Glad you weren't badly injured.

Pressing charges was the right thing to do.

I doubt she will serve any jail time if she's a first offender. Especially at her age. I hope that at least she gets a mental health evaluation.

However you can and should seek a restraining order against her.

Good luck!

[orleans]

73. very sorry this happened to you

i'm glad you and the neighbor are pressing charges.

you're welcome to come to illinois

[Hav]

74. Jeez, Trump is driving people crazy

by fueling the fire again and again. My brother is a Trumper and is saying the most deranged shit these days because he buys every bs conspiracy theory that confirms his biases. This cult is scary and the repubs are complicit for supporting a dictator instead of trying a rational approach to reach their base. They could put an end to all the bs.
Many here seem to suggest that your neighbor must have had mental issues before. I wouldn't be surprised if she had no similar problems before Trump because I'm hearing some violent shit from my brother as well. As bad as that is, I hope there won't be more than words from him. It's almost like a zombie apocalypse, some people turn into complete nutjobs.

But thanks for getting Biden elected!

[apnu]

76. Wounded animals are dangerious

That's what we're seeing with all the white people acting out now. They started with Obama, Trump was supposed to be the salve, but that's gone now, Biden and Harris are in and they are bringing a flood of multi-culturalism with them. White people like this can't handle the fact that they are out and progress is in.

Their way of life: the racist, sexist, gay hating, way of life, is out. They are going through the stages of grief. Right now its denial giving way to anger.

[Joinfortmill]

77. At the risk of bad taste...

I'm glad you are safe. But that story was both frightening and hilarious at the same time.

[rustysgurl]

93. I did laugh a little, basically at the absurdity of it all.

But then thought about what would have happened if she had a gun. Then I started shaking again.

[Native]

201. I'm glad you're pressing charges, and don't be so sure she doesn't have a gun in the house.

Her husband may have had the same political leanings as her, and he's only been dead for a year. He could have had a gun or guns, and they could still be in the house. Who knows what she might try to do when she returns home. Please be careful and don't take anything for granted.

[Demovictory9]

78. 😳

[OMGWTF]

79. It's impossible to even have a conversation when you can't agree on what is reality

My former BFF of 36 years is a MAGAt and has been ghosting me since March. I've reached out three times with texts and by mail with zero response. I know she's alive and well because of her continuous pro-Trump FB posts. I'm afraid to call her because of the words that might be exchanged that can't be taken back. Oh well, I have lots of friends who aren't in a death cult.

[Luz]

80. Trumpsters are spoon fed rage every day. I guess they have to

regurgitate it back out at some point.

[Wawannabe]

82. Wow. Just wow !

Really glad you are ok!

And like they say Lock Her Up!
(Don't back off those charges she deserves as good as she gave and you didn't do that -as in get physical.)

Use their Law and Order on em too ...and press those charges! Press hard! Damn. Unbelievable!

[lpbk2713]

83. That is scary.

If you go to court be sure to tell the judge what mental anguish she put you through.

She must have been over indulging in the Kool-Aid.

[WhiskeyWulf]

84. WTF!!

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and glad the police were nearby. I hope you're okay.

[safeinOhio]

85. I hope she gets the help she needs.

You handled it well and the guy next door that came to your aid deserves some home made cookies.
My guess is the judge will get her some help. Stay safe.

[denvine]

87. OMG, I am so sorry you had to endure such Trumpian vile!

He really has pushed us to the edge! I'm glad you are OK and that your neighbors were supportive.

[niyad]

88. Dear Goddess, how very frightening, and how very sad. I am so very sorry that you experienced this

insanity, especially from someone you have known for so long. Sad because there are clearly mental health issues here. Sending virtual hugs, and vibes for peace and safety.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

91. I sort of understand her going bonkers.

How would I react if, say, the election were won by Trump? I'm stuck! Canada doesn't want me, England doesn't want me, I just have to live here and watch the destruction of another four years? Berserk is the new normal.

So, yeah, press charges, recommend no jail time, just therapy and community service (like a food bank).

With all the distraction, did you get the leaves raked up?

[rustysgurl]

94. Leaves are still there ... police took my rake as "evidence."

May hire a lawn service to finish the job.

[Warpy]

209. Lawn service is good

Don't back down on charges. There needs to be a paper trail.

It sounds like she went off medication very suddenly, some drugs have to be tapered down for this very reason.

I'd probably be pricing a solid board fence to go between the properties. I probably couldn't afford it, but just pricing it would make me feel a lot better.

[essme]

101. Besides a restraining order, you should also carry mace

in the yard.

I am not kidding either- you need some way to defend yourself. The son probably needs to take her to his house for awhile.

[AllaN01Bear]

92. well lady , i was born here ,west covina ca, where do i go?

at that point i have permission to go full karakatoa .where were you born. glad your neighbor called 911. stay safe please , in more ways than 1

[Liberty Belle]

95. You should also get a restraining order as she may get out on bail.

How awful that you had to go through this ordeal. You did the right thing by pressing charges.

She seems to have a mental illness issue or perhaps she was on drugs.

[MrsCoffee]

270. I would get one on the son too after that phone call.

Creepy dude.

[cally]

96. Plenty of crazies in blue states

I see them all the time not wearing masks and screaming at others about it. In a a solidly blue area, a group waved guns at teens creating a BLM chalk mural. The rabid right is mentally deranged


So sorry this happened to you. Stay safe.

[Aussie105]

97. There's more of this likely to happen.

When cult members watch their cult being dismantled before their eyes, they can act in violent and unpredictable ways.

It's never their problem of course, but then if you get suckered into a cult, your critical thinking skills and self analysis of your inner dialog are probably not very good. So you blame 'them others'.

At least the rake incident didn't involve firearms.

[3catwoman3]

99. It feels as if half the country has lost their minds.

I wonder if your neighbor stopped taking her meds?

I hope it was a plastic rake - she could have done some serious harm.

[sagetea]

100. Holy shit!

I hope you are okay!

This is happening all over, though. I see and have been a recipient to it as well.

This is my own personal thoughts about this: I think there's some kind of subliminal messaging/orders that happen on OAN, Breibart, fox, etc. that when they see or hear something they just go wacko! lol!!

It's stupid, I know! It's just I'm trying to find a REASON!

Nov. 2nd, I was one of 8 people who were counter protesting a trump 'rally'. (there were, at least 50 of them) We had 1 rainbow flag, 1 BLM flag, two homemade signs one with a fist and mine "Rural, not stupid" #AmericaOrTrump". and 3 f*ck tRump signs.

The trumpets came across the road and started harassing me (an old woman) and a black man. they called me cunt. (like that hurt...:eyeroll trying to cover our signs with theirs. At one point, the guy that was calling me cunt, said "honey, you better get home and cook your husband dinner". I looked at him and replied "call me 'honey again and I'll put my boot where your balls should be'' I'm usually quiet, but this asshole calling me 'honey' made me just say the first thing that popped in my mouth.

This time is so strange!

sage

[lpbk2713]

105. I love your reply to the bigmouth.

Did he back away?

[reACTIONary]

206. Good retort!

[oldsoftie]

103. "Your kind" is anyone who doesnt like trump. Period.

Thats how low they've gotten now

[NRaleighLiberal]

104. I think we all need to operate under the assumption that they are a cult

That means they can't deal with results outside of their narrow expectations fed to them by their bubble.

Thanks for sharing. Dangerous times.

[OneGrassRoot]

109. I can empathize. Similar thing happened to me...

but my incident was after Obama was elected. I had an "Independents for Obama" (long story) sign in my yard and a neighbor who seemed normal and even likable became absolutely unhinged.

She was in my driveway, screaming at me. Fortunately there wasn't a pandemic then nor anything that was turned into a weapon. But she was screaming about the secret "muslin" and yada, yada. And how I'm everything that's wrong with the world.

I also learned she was a hardcore Limbaugh, Glenn Beck person and regularly talked about her guns. So, we decided to lie low since this is a very red area and more probably sympathize with her than me.

Flash forward about four years and I see her walking her dog, right where I had to stop at a stop sign. I decided to wave, hoping there had been some shift.

She motioned for me to roll down my window, which I did, and came over with a smile.

And proceeded to tell me she hates me and people like me more than ever and that the world is destroyed for her son because of me. And a few times after that on the website Nextdoor she said she hoped Al-Qaeda bombed my house.

Okie dokie then.

[raccoon]

218. I wish you'd tol her she needed to be in therapy.

I don’t know though, might be putting gas on a fire.

[lunasun]

250. WTF? Talk about deplorable would like to see your house bombed wtf

[smirkymonkey]

110. Holy Hell! What a nightmare!

That must have been terrifying! It sounds like she was completely out of her mind. I am so glad other neighbors came to your assistance and the police were able to intervene.

I don't know what has happened to this country, but a good 30 percent of the people in it have serious rage induced mental problems. Things like this are going to continue to happen and unfortunately people are going to get killed. It's like a tinder box just sitting there waiting for the right spark to set it ablaze.

It's really frightening. These people aren't rational and there is no way to talk any sense in to them. I glad you are alright. Please take care of yourself.

[malchickiwick]

112. I hope in addition to criminal charges you seek civil damages. Such behavior must be punished. (n/t)

[GoneOffShore]

113. So sorry that this happened to you.

It's been a weird five years.

And it accelerated our move out of the US.

[Oppaloopa]

116. I am so sorry I am so glad you had nice neighbors to help you

Do not be surprised if her husband or other family members ask you to drop charges . Please don't. She will probably feel so embarrased later they will move.

[Initech]

117. I live in Orange County but the area I live in is so red you'd think it's rural Alabama.

It's seriously disgusting. And after we had the MAGA rally about 3 miles from my house a couple of weeks ago that earned national attention for the MAGAs turning it into a violent shit show (with it ending with a car driving through both crowds), I decided that it might be time to seek out a more progressive area to live in. I was utterly horrified at what happened so close to home and I added several of my neighbors who participated in this disgusting display to the list of people who I will most likely never talk to again after this.

[srose58089]

118. How Sad

Good for you for pressing charges. I have lost several friends to the Trump insanity. They think I am crazy while I try and be open minded. No one has become violent. I am a 70 year old white guy who grew up in a "Leave it to Beaver" neighborhood. For Christmas I have asked Santa for a time capsule that travels back in time.

[marlakay]

120. Wow I know I was upset the election

Bush was re-elected and Trump won but attack my republican neighbors never!

Glad you are ok, hopefully she will get some mental help. Be careful.

[aeromanKC]

123. Ruined her life?? She's 70's? Seems a thank you is more in order!!

Social Security would have been in serious jeopardy if Trump was re-elected.

And as far as ruining her life, well, it seems as if she is doing a pretty good job all on her own in doing that.

And finally, Kudos for you and your neighbors in your response to this unfortunate incident.

[TNNurse]

125. I wish I was surprised.

She doesn't belong in Assisted living, she needs psychiatric care or she will attack someone else.

[luvtheGWN]

189. Would probably be a tad difficult

getting her into any assisted living facility anyway. Using this episode as an example, she represents a danger to other residents.

[TNNurse]

198. Exactly

[Crunchy Frog]

126. Zombie Karen disease? Or maybe just taking her cues from her mighty leader.

I'm glad the police were responsive, and sounds like your other neighbors acted sane and appropriate.

And thank you for being single handedly responsible for Biden's win. We all really appreciate that.

[Fla Dem]

130. What a terrifying and unnerving situation for you. She must have had a psychotic break.

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Stress from the pandemic and the last 4 years of trump, and now this whole concession situation could easily drive anyone on the fringes of a breakdown to totally lose it. It's scary to think there may be others out there like her.

Glad you're OK.

[Woodwizard]

131. Wow that is insane.

I have a bunch of trumper neighbors but no issues with any, we are rural distance is good. Lost a few supposed friends my wife and I do not consider them real losses. One sent me an Email that was so full of spelling and punctuation errors it was incomprehensible, I think he was covering his phone or keyboard with foaming rage.

Hope the issue gets resolve I would hate to live next to someone so unstable.

[The Wizard]

135. Pox News (deliberate typo) brain poisoning.

[padah513]

160. Absolutely

[JHB]

136. Glad you're ok, and that she apparently wasn't capable of doing real damage...

...(physically, anyway). Yeah, she's got a mental problem, and yes, press the charges if only to have the court require her to get treatment. She ain't gonna seek it out on her own.

[SunSeeker]

138. I live in CA and there are a LOT of people here like your crazed neighbor.

There might be less of them in blue states, but these nutjobs are in ever state of the union with an internet connection.

Thank you for pressing charges. That is the only way we are going to get this bullshit to stop. We must stop coddling them.

[Hekate]

142. Sounds like a genuine psychotic break

Since many of your neighbors came to your aid, sounds like the neighborhood itself is okay. I hope so.

[Texin]

143. The officers can have her placed under a mental health hold.

And they should. She was already exhibiting symptoms of being a danger to others, but repeatedly butting her head in the window glass of the squad car made her a danger to herself as well. She was/is unhinged, even if just temporarily. I hope you plan to have charges pressed against her for assault and a restraining order filed immediately to make it illegal for her to cross onto your property. And if she violates it, call the police again and they'll arrest her deranged ass. God knows, I would. This type of behavior signifies that she's fully capable of setting your house on fire. And if you have pets, I'd bring them indoors and I'd be parking in the garage and never in the street for the duration. Whatever duration that is. That is totally whacked out mental behavior.

[Nay]

174. Oh, yeah. A 72-hour hold, at least, for that headbanging stuff. She's a serious mental case

and should be treated as such. Hopefully the son will get her into assisted living and your problem will be over.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

144. You moving is not the answer

Instead we need to recruit people in dark blue states to move to purple or light red states.

Texas is a beautiful and environmentally diverse state. Californians,Oregonians and Washingtonians come on down!

[StaunchDemocrat1957]

145. They have no Logic no reason when it comes to Trump.

I have known several of them. They'd follow Trump off a cliff and I think they would!

[Evolve Dammit]

149. Holy crap. Sorry. This is like nothing we have ever seen. Cult 45 is a brainwashed lot. Moving

to a blue area may very well help. Moving is not fun. But meeting rational, like-minded people restores hope, re-kindles compassion and one's sense that justice will prevail at times like this. I hope she spends some time locked up thinking about life.

[paleotn]

152. So sorry....

I haven't a clue what's going on with these people. It's like they blew a fuse and are out of their minds.

To be honest, I voted with my feet some years ago. Born in the south, grew up in the south, spent the bulk of my professional career in the south. My wife has New England roots, so it wasn't a big deal for her. Other than family, the ONLY thing I miss isn't the weather...it's decent ice tea. And good barbecue. There is that. Small price for sanity.

[Warpy]

153. Bonkers people can happen anywhere.

You're right about the likely psychotic break. Maybe she couldn't afford her drugs. Or maybe she's needed them for years but managed to hide it until today.

This. Is. Not. Your. Fault.

Press charges, you'll be doing her a favor, pushing her to get help from a doctor, AA, NA, or whatever it is she needs.

FWIW, I live in a solidly blue part of town in a blue state. No one had yard signs this year. Too many people out there are unhinged and nobody wanted their cars keyed or their windows broken. It's not just RWNJ media. It's Covid. People are at the breaking point and looking for an excuse to act out.

[SheltieLover]

154. So sorry to hear you 2ere attacked by a magat

Glad you are ok & happy you & neighbor are prosecuting to the fullest!

Please keep us updated.

Be well, my friend.

[UCmeNdc]

157. I have a friend who listens to all of the right wing media propaganda

He truly believes Joe Biden is satanic. Hillary Clinton has a child porn ring that is run from a DC pizza shop. To him Trump is a God like figure. How can God be defeated by the sons of satan? He started drinking and became a little suicidal after Joe Biden won. There is no reasoning with him. I just try to placate him and change subject when Trump comes up. But in my mind he is truly crazy and beyond help. What has America become?

[alittlelark]

159. Wetiko is spreading faster than Covid.

https://realitysandwich.com/75652/greatest_epidemic/

In the book Columbus and other Cannibals, indigenous author Jack D. Forbes lucidly explores a psychological disease that has been informing human self-destructive behavior that Native American people have known about for years. After reading his book, it was clear to me that he was describing the same psycho-spiritual disease of the soul that I wrote about in my book, The Madness of George W. Bush: A Reflection of our Collective Psychosis. I introduce the idea that from the dawn of human history our species has fallen prey to a collective psychosis which I call malignant egophrenia. Speaking about this very same psychic epidemic, Forbes writes, “For several thousands of years human beings have suffered from a plague, a disease worse than leprosy, a sickness worse than malaria, a malady much more terrible than smallpox.” Indigenous people have been tracking the same “psychic”[ii] virus that I call malignant egophrenia for many centuries and calling it “wetiko,” a Cree term which refers to a diabolically wicked person or spirit who terrorizes others. Professor Forbes, who was one of the founders of the Native American movement during the early sixties, says, “Tragically, the history of the world for the past 2,000 years is, in great part, the story of the epidemiology of the wetiko disease.”[iii] Wetiko/malignant egophrenia is a “psychosis” in the true sense of the word as being a “sickness of the soul or spirit.” Though calling it by different names, Forbes and I are both pointing at the same illness of the psyche, soul and spirit that has been at the root of humanity’s inhumanity to itself.

Wetiko/malignant egophrenia is a disease of civilization, or lack thereof. To quote Forbes, “To a considerable degree, the development of the wetiko disease corresponds to the rise of what Europeans choose to call civilization. This is no mere coincidence.”[vi] The unsustainable nature of industrial civilization is based on, and increasingly requires violence to maintain itself. Genuine “civilization,” in essence, means not killing people. Referring to the lack of “civility” in modern society, Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilization and responded by saying, “I think it would be a good idea.” It makes sense that native people would know about malignant egophrenia, as they were both oppressed by, but weren’t, at least initially, under the “curse” of modern civilization. Being under the sway of modern civilization can feel like something foreign to our nature is being imposed upon us, as if we are living in an occupied land. Modern civilization suffers from the overly one-sided dominance of the rational, intellectual mind, a one-sidedness that seemingly dis-connects us from nature, from empathy, and from ourselves. Due to its disassociation from the whole, wetiko is a disturber of the peace of humanity and the natural world, a sickness which spawns aggression and is capable of inciting violence amongst living beings. The wetiko virus is the root cause of the inhumanity in human nature, or shall we say, our seemingly inhuman nature. This “psychic virus,” a “bug” in “the system,” in-forms and animates the madness of so-called civilization, which, in a self-perpetuating feedback loop feeds the madness within ourselves.

Wetiko/malignant egophrenia is a disease of civilization, or lack thereof. To quote Forbes, “To a considerable degree, the development of the wetiko disease corresponds to the rise of what Europeans choose to call civilization. This is no mere coincidence.”[vi] The unsustainable nature of industrial civilization is based on, and increasingly requires violence to maintain itself. Genuine “civilization,” in essence, means not killing people. Referring to the lack of “civility” in modern society, Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilization and responded by saying, “I think it would be a good idea.” It makes sense that native people would know about malignant egophrenia, as they were both oppressed by, but weren’t, at least initially, under the “curse” of modern civilization. Being under the sway of modern civilization can feel like something foreign to our nature is being imposed upon us, as if we are living in an occupied land. Modern civilization suffers from the overly one-sided dominance of the rational, intellectual mind, a one-sidedness that seemingly dis-connects us from nature, from empathy, and from ourselves. Due to its disassociation from the whole, wetiko is a disturber of the peace of humanity and the natural world, a sickness which spawns aggression and is capable of inciting violence amongst living beings. The wetiko virus is the root cause of the inhumanity in human nature, or shall we say, our seemingly inhuman nature. This “psychic virus,” a “bug” in “the system,” in-forms and animates the madness of so-called civilization, which, in a self-perpetuating feedback loop feeds the madness within ourselves.
Forbes writes, “The overriding characteristic of the wetiko is that he consumes other human beings, that is, he is a predator and a cannibal. This is the central essence of the disease.”[ix] Predators, “full-blown” wetikos are not in touch with their own humanity, and therefore can’t see the humanity in others. Instead, they relate to others either as potential prey or as a threat to their dominance. As if a different breed who is more animal-like predator than ordinary human being, someone fully taken over by the wetiko psychosis consumes others’ lives, physically, emotionally, psychically and meta-physically, beyond just the material body and physical possessions to the level of meaning itself. Wetikos are the “anti-artists” of our culture, embodying the opposite of what creative artists do. Unlike an artist (please see my article “The Artist as Healer of the World”), who creates life-enhancing meaning and enriches the world without robbing others, a wetiko takes and consumes without giving anything back, continually draining and impoverishing the planet of resources.

[yonder]

240. +1.

[Celerity]

257. superb article, highly recco!

[Nay]

162. Jesus. What a freak. Please do press charges, and go through with the process so

this mentally ill person is off the streets. Good God.

Oh, make sure to get a copy of the incident report from the police to make sure it is complete and accurate.

[calimary]

163. DEFINITELY press charges.

DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, and COMPLETELY!

Yes. I’m SHOUTING!

There MUST be consequences for behavior that’s this shitty -not to mention potentially physically dangerous!

A well-aimed strike with that rake could injure, blind, maim, or kill.

[Dem2]

164. JFC

I'm literally speechless.

I'll admit, it's weird that many are keeping their extra large signs up, knowing that he lost, guess I shouldn't be surprised that they take the propaganda they read quite literally. I'm glad you're physically unhurt anyway.

[EllieBC]

167. That is terrifying! And even more reason why

we should not be overly worried with trying to make peace with these people. They don’t want peace. They just want power and control.

[samplegirl]

168. Are you from Ohio too?

My neighbor went kookaloo when a girlfriends husband came to my house to put a Biden sign in my yard. Which was a Purple Heart.
He started yelling.... traitor traitor Trump 2020😆
Next thing I knew the house was up for sale and was packed up in two weeks and was moved out the following week!
All they left was a trump flag flying on his flag pole.

[hadEnuf]

169. Trump provides a path for screwy people to act out.

Right is wrong and wrong is right in Trump/Fox/Hate Radio world.

To this woman and screwballs like her, Trump verifies that it really is everybody else who's crazy, not them.

[Skittles]

171. I wouldn't press charges

but I would insist this woman receive a mental health evaluation as a condition for dropping charges

[Soph0571]

172. Fucking hell love

Hope you are OK? The MAGA crowd have lost their nuts. Press charges...

[paulkienitz]

175. The greatest harm Trumpsky has done may be in unmooring his followers from sanity.

What he demands of his followers is nothing less than to discount objective reality when it conflicts with his fairy tales. Nobody can do that with their mental health going unscathed.

[panader0]

177. Carry some pepper spray. Or bear repellant.

[yaesu]

178. like I said in a post today, stay away from these idiots, do not talk to them, ignore them

they are dangerous cult members that have been triggered by their leader.

[Meowmee]

179. Wow so sorry that happened how terrible

we have neighbors who used to be friends who became quite nasty and aggressive a few years back. We never speak anymore. They are anti abortion but I never imagined they were quite so crazy. At some point my father told them their fence was on our property and could be removed and they stopped all harassment after that, lol.

It sounds like a mental health issue and maybe dementia as well in this case.

[soldierant]

181. Living in a blue state may not be that different

if you live, as I do, in a deep red county.

Being an introvert, I can cope.

Actually, I find it heartening that you got so much assistance, not just from law enforcement, but from neighbors.

[yardwork]

182. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Trump is literally brainwashing people..

This is the effect of non-stop propaganda. Your neighbor probably believes all kinds of crazy things now.

[Collimator]

183. I remember hearing about trends in delusional mental illness.

The idea is that even people who are on the "outs" with reality nevertheless still take cues from reality.

Psychotic people used to go on about aliens. Then terrorists became a real world concern and troubled people saw them everywhere. Now, Trump has provided a rich collection of boogie-men to focus their confused thinking upon. The fact that what he says doesn't make sense is no impediment for people who can't look reality squarely in the face and make peace with it.

Trump is out there making noise and the confused minds of some mentally ill people are hearing the music of dearly longed for "truth".

[Skraxx]

184. Yes, They Are ALL Suffering from a Mental Disorder, The Same One That Affected Nazi Germany

It's a psychosocial phenomenon akin to a death cult and it hinges on a form of mass hypnosis.

[BigOleDummy]

185. Press charges for sure!

Read more than one post here saying "maybe she can get the help she needs". The only help she needs is to get her face out of fox and hannity's butts. Glad you weren't harmed.

[Vinnie From Indy]

186. I would have suggested that they use their Tasers on the woman.

Or, asked if I could.

Seriously though, you need to get a restraining order against the woman as soon as possible.

[AmericanCanuck]

187. Well .... at least she conceded the election

[mnhtnbb]

188. What a scary situation!

I'm glad you are ok. Being physically attacked like that though can have long term effects on your own sense of well being and security. It's natural to think about removing yourself to an environment where you think that it's less likely to happen again.

Do press charges. Let a judge deal with her and evaluate where she belongs for her actions and whether she needs treatment of some kind. Get a restraining order if she is allowed to return to her home, especially if it looks like she may be there for awhile if it takes time to sell the house.

I am so sorry this happened to you.

[Oscarthegreat]

191. Well

It looks like she has rabies.

[Missn-Hitch]

193. Come to Washington state. I left Indiana in 2004 during Bush II. I saw this coming then.

I have removed all vestiges of tRump fluffers from my life FOREVER and it feels so good.

Cheers!

[coeur_de_lion]

194. Jesus I hope she gets the help she needs

after they prosecute the hell out of her.

[Marthe48]

197. What a terrible experience

I hope that you all had the presence of mind to decontaminate after the assault. Really glad you are pressing charges. No matter where her head is, attacking people is uncalled for. So glad your other neighbors came to assist you.

Your vote might not have helped carry your state, but it was one of the 75 million+ that assures us that not everyone supports an impeached traitor.

Be nice to yourself.

[pansypoo53219]

200. whew, i don't think i saw a trump sign on any lawn nearby.

[warmfeet]

202. Sorry to hear that.

I have been fortunate. I knew from early on that my neighbors were batshit repugs. I live in a blue state, and a blue area - unfortunately, the neighbors are nuts. My wife and I have been here 25+ years. I won't leave. They can die first.

[randr]

203. All the Trumpettes are suffering from some sort of mental illness

He is spreading it somehow and they are all getting worse.

[C Moon]

204. Sounds like meth. :O

That's terrible. It's going to be tough living there with her nearby.

[Roy Rolling]

205. Getting Police Involved

Every person who suggests treating this brain diseased patient with jail should reconsider. Police aren’t doctors, having them solve society’s medical problems is a recipe for disaster.

[Sogo]

244. I think most of the law enforcement suggestions have been to get a JUDGE involved.

He/she can decide what course this woman's medical issues should take.

If the victim of this assault doesn't press charges, she is sending the wrong message to the assaulter, be it a mental health issue or not.

[Cha]

210. Wow that would be so Shocking to your

system!

You wrote about it so well I felt I was there.. glad you & neighbors are ok with the mad woman on the loose. Imagine losing it so bad you have to be hauled away by the police.

Some of your neighbors watching that dangerous spectacle were probably trump fans, too?

trump built that with his brainwashing gaslighting Lies.

[dchill]

211. K & R.

[MustLoveBeagles]

213. Omg!

That's terrible. I'm glad that you and your neighbor will be okay. I think you're right about her mental condition. She sounds like she might have mental issues and possibly dementia.

[TeamPooka]

217. I hope she gets the mental health help she needs. And a lot of community service in a poor area.

[sakabatou]

219. Guess you have more patience

I might have gone into my self-defense mode. I'm unsure what kind of damage I might cause.

No, I don't have any weapons on me. Well, maybe my bo staff.

[WestLosAngelesGal]

222. I'm sorry that happened to you

Out of self-preservation instincts, I did not have any Biden stickers or yard signs, nothing that would get me killed in my Trumpy neighborhood where most people carry guns, even to do yardwork.

[BobTheSubgenius]

224. That was SO far over the top.

There is definitely something going on there - more than just losing an election. I am strongly in favour of pressing charges, but I think I'd have to be ready to dial it back if she is legitimately mentally ill.

The cops might have been hasty. I wouldn't think it would take too long for the head-bashing she was doing to calm her down.

[Niagara]

225. What a frightening ordeal for you.

I'm so sorry to hear that you were attacked by your near neighbor and I certainly hope that you are alright after this unnecessary and frightening ordeal. I have one near neighbor that was looking for a political fight this summer. Please stay safe.






For future reference, mulching up the leaves in your yard has many benefits compared to raking the leaves. Mulched leaves are a natural fertilizer, helps suppress weeds and encourages an ecosystem of insects that help feed the wild birds in the next springtime.

[avebury]

226. Play stupid games, win stupid prize.

Glad to hear that you and your neighbor were not seriously injured. As scary as it was, it must make you feel good that you had other neighbors willing to come to your aid.

It does make you wonder how many people out there that are on the edge and might go over it because of Trump's loss. There are a lot of crazy people out there that are either livid over Trump's loss or delusional when it comes to covid.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

228. Blame her, but also the RW media & backers which has purposely driven these people mad

with fear, anxiety, and hate. And why? So a small group of greedy, power-hungry people to get more money and power.

[LudwigPastorius]

229. I don't usually recommend violence as a solution, but...

as soon as she laid a hand on you, you should have decked her.

It's the only thing those people understand.

[rustysgurl]

236. UPDATE: Thank you all for your words of support.

Reading all your kind words and advice helped so much in processing what happened. I am much calmer now, and able to think more clearly. Thank you again -- DU is just the greatest place.

I just got back from the DA's office. The ADA told me what happened after the police took my neighbor away, and we discussed how things would happen going forward.

The police initially took her to the hospital to get checked out (re: the head banging). She was released from the ER and taken to jail. The police DID go search her home, and according to the report, found 2 loaded handguns and an unloaded rifle, along with ammunition. I have to say I almost got sick when I heard that.

Based on her age and condition (and probably because of COVID), they moved pretty quickly, filing preliminary charges, including multiple assault charges as well as resisting arrest. They held an emergency hearing via video, at which time she was arraigned. According to the ADA the judge wasn't too keen on her staying in jail, so bond was set and she was eventually released in the custody of her son. The judge ordered that she not be returned to her home, and that the son make provisions for her care (to be approved by the judge at the next hearing). A complete mental health workup was also ordered, and the Court is contacting her current health care providers as well. The ADA said she was going to ask the Court to appoint an ad litem for her, in addition to any public defender or attorney her son hires to defend her. There were some other provisions but I can't remember them right now.

I am going through with pressing charges (as is my neighbor) if for no other reason than that this woman's plight comes to the attention of the authorities and she can get the help she needs. I don't know the chain of events that caused her to act the way she did, but the death of her husband (which was somewhat unexpected as he died during a routine surgery), losing her home and possible exposure to the far right's venom obviously unhinged her. I told the ADA that I did not think it would serve any useful purpose to ask for a jail sentence. She agreed, and shared with me that the woman has no prior criminal history, so she would probably get probation from the judge anyway. So, hopefully, the son will get his mother the evaluation and the help she needs. Better minds than mine can hopefully assess her situation (including any attempts by her son to take her home, control her assets, etc.) and make the best call for her. I told the ADA about my phone conversation with the son, and that it did appear that he was trying to "take control" of his mother's life. Now whether that's because she's been losing her grip on sanity and he's trying to protect her, or the fact that he's moving in has caused her to lose her grip on sanity, I have no idea. Like others have said, her going into an assisted living facility where she is around other vulnerable people, would not be an appropriate placement. That would open up any facility to a boatload of liability should she "go off" again.

Bottom line, she's "on the radar" now, so hopefully she will get the help she needs and won't be a danger to herself or others in the future.

The neighbor who called 911 got some homemade pumpkin bread and my everlasting thanks. He and another neighbor came over while I was gone and raked and bagged the leaves. Did I mention that, for the most part, I have wonderful neighbors?

So, all is well, and things are quiet on our little street now.

Thank you again, DUers ... you're the best!

[Archae]

239. Glad to hear that the woman is going to get help.

Her son sounded like he's a real jerk though, still blaming your sign for the woman's breakdown.

[Sogo]

246. Thanks for the update.

I'm glad she is getting help and that you are safe. It sounds like you really do have nice neighbors (with that one exception....)!

[renate]

292. when I say "that escalated quickly" I'm not trying to be funny

Dang. How incredibly disconcerting that must be, for a formerly civil neighbor to PHYSICALLY ATTACK YOU. And then for all this legal stuff to happen as a result. Not to mention that there were loaded guns in the house of someone who thought it appropriate to attack you with a rake.

It is so incredibly sad to see what has happened to this country; maybe she has mental health issues that would have manifested in this way anyway, but maybe the constant anger from the right has sent her over the edge. I'm glad your other neighbors are good.

[Snackshack]

241. Wow.

That’s terrible and very troubling to hear that she would cross that line at the age of 70 and after 20yrs of being neighbors. I am glad you are ok. I would also suggest a TRO unless that is automatic with pressing charges.

I don’t think this is a mental disorder at all. If you have not taken sometime to listen to a Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Savage, Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingraham (I know this is a tall order) I suggest you do so for as much time as you can stand. Certainly mental disorders are a reason for some these people but not all, no way. This pure unvarnished, primal hate. The talking heads mentioned above & trump are telling these people that the Dems, Biden, Pelosi, Schiff etc are going to destroy America, destroy Religion, destroy God, the Planet, the Universe right after taking all of your guns and forcing you to say happy holidays not Merry Christmas. This is not a mental disorder it’s hate and fear. These people think the world is about to end and it’s our fault.

[Nitram]

243. Wow! I'm glad you and your more kindly neighbors were not injured.

Sometimes it seems like we are dealing with a demonically possessed cult. I wonder if America will ever be ale to be one nation again.

[IsItJustMe]

245. Watching too much Fox News will do that to you.

Honestly. It's meth for the crazies.

[peacebuzzard]

248. I also have wacko neighbors,

that I have refused to speak with for 6 years after an incident. I am sorry this happened to you. My experience 6 years ago was almost identical to yours, but with no bodily contact. Wacko neighbors were belligerent idiots who mobbed me (I am a single household). It was an incident involving their use of my property without right or consent. It involved multiple occasions of them yelling about their justifications of the use, and escalated once to a call the wackos generated to a police officer who had to spend about 2 hours with them. I simply refused to engage, and maintained my request they remove their items from my property. Since then I just ignore the loud mouths. Not a wave, not a recognition look, I just continue to rake my leaves or continue on my path. I am sorry, I know this was a terrible feeling of personal violation. What idiots. They are everywhere. I am also rural in a red state. Take care.

[OneBlueSky]

252. ever think we might be in a bad re-make of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers?" . . . n/t

[ARPad95]

254. WOW! Glad you're okay. Really scary behavior on her part. Here's something similar that happened

near Syracuse, NY on Saturday.

https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/police-source-parts-of-e-genesee-street-in-dewitt-closed-due-to-barricaded-person/

UPDATE: On Saturday around 9:20 a.m., DeWitt Police officers were dispatched to 6840 E. Genesee St. for a menacing complaint.

It was reported that a male, who was later identified as Jonathan Almonte, 33, of DeWitt, had threatened a neighbor with a machete.

When officers arrived on the scene, Almonte barricaded himself in the upstairs portion of the apartment building, according to police. That is where Almonte and the victim’s apartments are both located.

The victim was able to safely get out of the building, according to police.

A crisis negotiator with the department communicated with Almonte for around three hours. During this time, Almonte had entered into the victim’s unoccupied apartment and an adjacent storage room and started throwing stuff out of a second story window.

He had also threatened to burn the building down, according to police.

Other than Almonte, everyone in the building and neighboring buildings were evacuated. A short time later, Almonte set a fire inside of the building and caused damage.

Around 12:15 p.m., Almonte left the apartment building holding a machete. Officers ordered for him to drop it numerous times but he allegedly refused and started to run at officers.

Officers then deployed tasers to try and stop Almonte, but that was unsuccessful.

A DeWitt officer discharged one round from their firearm, but they did not hit Almonte. Almonte then allegedly threw the machete in the direction of multiple officers, nearly hitting them. Officers were then able to take him into custody without further incident.

While investigating, it was found that there was possibly bomb making materials in the apartment building. The Onondaga County Sheriff’s Office Bomb Unit responded and cleared the scene.

They did not find any bomb making materials in the apartment.

Almonte has been charged with the following:

Arson in the third degree
Burglary in the second degree
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree
Menacing in the second degree
Criminal mischief in the fourth degree
Attempted aggravated assault on a police officer
Resisting arrest
Harassment in the second degree
Almonte will be kept at the Onondaga County Justice Center while awaiting arraignment.

According to police, no one was injured during the incident.

The name of the officer who discharged their firearm will not be released for 72 hours, due to DeWitt Police Department policy.

On the Syracuse.com (pay to view) site, more information is included about the background of this guy:

https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2020/11/girlfriend-dewitt-man-in-standoff-across-from-wegmans-paranoid-and-spike-addict.html

His girlfriend, Carrie Midlar, said in a police statement that she believed Almonte was planning to use drugs that day. She’d seen a destructive pattern recently in their three-year relationship.

“Recently, Jonathan has fallen into a pattern of spike use (typically defined as synthetic marijuana), which leads to mental health issues, and then he stops using spike, which intensifies the mental health problems until it is out of his system,” Midlar told police.

And here's the money quote:

That concerned his girlfriend because “Jonathan watches a lot of YouTube videos, including a lot of conspiracy theories and paranoid nonsense, he has a lot of stuff he doesn’t want me to go near or touch, and he has tools, so I worried he might have made a bomb or something . . .” Midlar told police.

[SWBTATTReg]

278. Wow. How unreal but of course it is real. You just don't think things like this happen! Wow.

[GulfCoast66]

255. Full disclosure. I did not read all the replies here. Only till mental illness was brought up.

And it kind of pissed me off. You know, we liberals are often too quick to find a mental reason to excuse shitty behavior. Because we are empathetic people.

And maybe this woman is beginning to sufferer from dementia.

But chances are the times are bringing out her true person. The fact her savior has lost drove her to take these actions.

I’m done excusing their actions. Hillary was spot on. They are deplorable.

[marble falls]

258. Its just one more reason my wife and I are leaving Texas.

[mnhtnbb]

267. Where are you going? Have you chosen your destination? What drew you there?

I'm in NC. Triangle area. Quite blue. Moving to a house from an apartment. Expect my neighbors will be more left leaning, but not all. Buying into a new development being built with HOA rules which prevent putting up yard signs. Ok by me.

By the time I move I will have spent 20 years living in Chapel Hill, Raleigh, and now on to Durham.

[marble falls]

269. My sister has thought about a family 'compound' near Ashville ...

... and we (wife and I) love Oregon (western Oregon), but when we waited too long, real estate prices jumped at least 50% in one year.

It seems to cycle over 10 years periods, still have about five years to start the down swing.

Going back to NC in someways might be a homecoming. John Motley Morehead is an ancestor.

[mnhtnbb]

271. You should get in touch with NRaleighLiberal who just moved to the mountains

from Raleigh with his wife last January. They love it. Near Hendersonville.

I thought about moving up to the mountains. Had intended to go explore this past summer, but canceled the trip due to COVID. I really love the beach--especially late spring and fall--and decided I'd rather stay close to my sons in the Triangle area with a shorter drive to the beach.

[Celerity]

263. she isn't mentally ill, she is a fucking piece of shit nazi or nazi sympathiser

I admire your restraint, I would have shown far less.

Glad you are safe. Press those charges to the FULL extent of the law.

[JI7]

266. Agree, I don't know why people always assume these people are mentally ill

the son is an asshole also with blaming her for having the Biden sign.

It shows they are just right wing assholes.

[Codeine]

293. Truth!

I weary of the endless excuses for their fucked-up bullshit.

[sheilahi]

272. what a gracious loser

Good thing the cops came. It might have been a little embarrassing to be arrested in front of all her neighbors but a lot less embarrassing and a lot less uncomfortable than going through the rest of her life with a rake stuck up her ass.

[Texin]

274. Any update this morning about your neighbor with "tRump Derangement Syndrom"?

[rustysgurl]

277. I posted an update above

That update was current as of about 9pm last night. I haven't heard anything new from the ADA, and I certainly haven't heard anything from my neighbor or her son.

One of the provisions on her release, in addition to the bond, mental health evaluation and her NOT coming back to her house right now, was a no contact order, for which I am grateful. The ADA also told me yesterday that the son wanted the guns found in his mother's home, but since they were registered to her deceased husband, the police weren't automatically going to give them to him. I don't know what the state law is regarding firearms belonging to a deceased person. If they were listed in a will that should have been probated by now. If not, they might pass to his widow, but wouldn't she have to re-register them at some point? I used to be a paralegal, but this is outside my area, so I'm going to have to do some checking.

In the meantime, I am well, but sleepy (I think I woke up every hour last night).

[cstanleytech]

279. I am convinced that a significant number of Trump supporters are

mentally ill people that could do with being prescribed a shit ton of medication.

[cp]

282. Please keep taking care of yourself

What a harrowing experience! Glad you pressed charges. The restraining order is a full one, yes?
Glad you have other, good neighbors.

Trump and his collaborators have a Death Cult. Leaving a cult is very difficult and usually requires professional help. There seem to be 70 Million in the cult, so we're in for a bumpy ride.

We've lived in the Twin Cities, which we love. Now we live in rural northern Wisconsin, many Trumpers and a fair number of progressives. We plan to stay and keep working for progress.

Please don't make any big decisions until you've healed a bit from this violence. Hugs.