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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,750 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:49 PM Nov 2020

Trump makes one last effort to cut Social Security, maximize hurt to the disabled

In the middle of the Trump pandemic, in which untold millions of people who survive the disease could end up disabled for life, the Trump administration announced Friday that it's finalizing rules meant to do nothing but make it harder for disabled people to receive Social Security, and to endanger the Social Security benefits of disabled people who are already approved. In the first regulation, it's changing the appeals process by replacing impartial, independent administrative law judges (ALJs) with internal agency lawyers, making it much more difficult for people to navigate the process.

They have also sent their proposal that will dramatically increase "continuing disability reviews" (the process during which those receiving disability must prove they're still disabled) to the Office of Management and Budget for approval as a final rule. The administration admitted it is about dropping people out of the program, "saving" $2.6 billion. It would mean earlier and more frequent reviews for people on disability, likely older people who are physically unable to continue their work. This is simply, in the words of Sen. Ron Wyden, "harassment of people with disabilities" that puts Americans at "greater risk of falling through the cracks."

House Democrats on the Ways and Means Committee blasted the final rule on cutting out judges, which is set to take effect on Dec. 16. "For nearly two years, we’ve sounded the alarm that this change would erode due process for Social Security and Supplemental Security Income applicants and beneficiaries and threaten their access to their earned benefits. The rule puts unqualified agency staff in control of deciding appeals hearings and contradicts the congressional intent of the law governing such proceedings."

The rule would remove administrative law from taking up standard cases, conducting hearings, and issuing decisions on applications for disability benefits—all responsibilities currently reserved for them. The ALJ union responded early this year, calling the proposal a violation of current law and Supreme Court precedent, saying it would "effectively subject the entire administrative adjudicative process under performance appraisal control by the agency."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/16/1996165/-Trump-gives-disabled-people-one-more-kick-in-the-teeth-on-his-way-out-with-cuts-to-Social-Security?detail=emaildkre

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Trump makes one last effort to cut Social Security, maximize hurt to the disabled (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 OP
KR! That's why this 86 year old Grandma Cha Nov 2020 #1
What a sweetie bedazzled Nov 2020 #2
I cried hard when she first started.. Cha Nov 2020 #4
This is how EVERY senior should feel! She is smarter than the Trump voters. I'm spooky3 Nov 2020 #10
This is great. Thanks for sharing. ooky Nov 2020 #20
You're Welcome, ooky.. Cha Nov 2020 #23
So bureaucrats making decisions? underpants Nov 2020 #3
President Biden can fix this, I'm sure. Baked Potato Nov 2020 #5
Stink bombs set to go off at the start of Biden Admin Captain Zero Nov 2020 #8
The political/economic equivalent of fish heads in the vents and upper decking the toilets. Nexus2 Nov 2020 #13
Make a list for sure. notinkansas Nov 2020 #24
I need to be on it, XanaDUer2 Nov 2020 #21
I need to be on it, XanaDUer2 Nov 2020 #22
The heartless-ness, the ugliness of this so called man and admin knows no bounds. c-rational Nov 2020 #6
trump is EVIL. People paid into social security for 40+ years iluvtennis Nov 2020 #7
Yes, Trump is evil, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #9
No, that is only partially true. Since 1983, there has been a "trust fund" where contributions spooky3 Nov 2020 #11
It is still not true that your money goes into an account with your name. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #14
But the post to which you responded did not claim that. I think we need to be very careful about spooky3 Nov 2020 #27
This is what I was responding to: PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #28
How about all those fucking IOUs Republicans placed into the Fund to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy WyattKansas Nov 2020 #25
+ agree. My summation was too simplistic. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #12
It is not a trump thing, it is a repug thing. They have always been.. Hotler Nov 2020 #17
Trump's grave will be designated as a historical national urinal. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #15
The cruelty is the point... Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #16
Yep...and for no reason other than "he can do it". nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2020 #19
KNR Lucinda Nov 2020 #26

Cha

(296,850 posts)
1. KR! That's why this 86 year old Grandma
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:57 PM
Nov 2020

in PA was so Grateful the Hell Monster Lost in PA & Biden was declared Pres Elect!



spooky3

(34,407 posts)
10. This is how EVERY senior should feel! She is smarter than the Trump voters. I'm
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:23 AM
Nov 2020

very happy for the relief she feels.

underpants

(182,626 posts)
3. So bureaucrats making decisions?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 10:10 PM
Nov 2020

Boy, this guy does everything backwards. Conservatism, religion, being human.

Captain Zero

(6,785 posts)
8. Stink bombs set to go off at the start of Biden Admin
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:47 PM
Nov 2020

For the fact free crowd it will never occur who set them. Only will matter that things are happening on Bidens administration. Biden ought to do a report to the American people re all the stink bombs that had to be defused when he came in. Might make a good item in the State of the Union which could be delayed a few months.

notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
24. Make a list for sure.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 03:58 PM
Nov 2020

I've been wondering what will happen with people who had their social security withholding taxes eliminated. trump said he would make that permanent if reelected. I think they are expected to have to pay that money back now. That could be a huge problem for many people, especially when they didn't get a choice in the decision in the first place.

iluvtennis

(19,835 posts)
7. trump is EVIL. People paid into social security for 40+ years
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

and it’s their money put there by them and their previous employers.

Putin’s puppet is bound and determined to tear down American institutions.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
9. Yes, Trump is evil,
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:47 PM
Nov 2020

but the money paid into SS isn't really in an account with an individual's name on it. SS is a "pay as you go" system, meaning that money paid in now gets paid out now to the recipients. It has always been that way. So when I was working and paying into it, the money was going to my mother and elderly relatives and various others. Now that I'm retired and collecting SS, my son and my nieces and nephews are paying for me. Again, nothing is directly earmarked, but you get the idea.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
11. No, that is only partially true. Since 1983, there has been a "trust fund" where contributions
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:26 AM
Nov 2020

have gone to provide for the greater benefits now being drawn out by recipients. It will be depleted too rapidly and yes, changes are needed to protect it, which could come in a lot of different forms, such as increasing the contribution cap. But this trust fund was specifically established to receive contributions for nearly 40 years in anticipation of the greater needs of today, so it is not strictly "pay as you go", which is a Republican meme.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/big-changes-likely-social-security-151603766.html

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
14. It is still not true that your money goes into an account with your name.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

It goes into an account that is then paid out to recipients. Being a "trust fund" does not alter the fact that money paid in today is disbursed tomorrow, more or less.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
27. But the post to which you responded did not claim that. I think we need to be very careful about
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:17 PM
Nov 2020

not reinforcing the false Republican "pay as you go" meme. "Trust fund" isn't simply a hollow term - it means that people's FICA taxes went up nearly 40 years ago and have been increased multiple times since then, and placed in trust, *earning interest*, so that THOSE PAYING IN would have benefits, as would people who haven't contributed as much, such as earlier retirees, disabled persons, unemployed spouses, etc. It's not so different from how private defined benefit systems operate.

Calling it 100% "pay as you go" makes it all too easy for Rethugs to argue that benefits should be reduced or terminated, that SS is a "Ponzi scheme", etc., when in fact that it is absolutely true that people who have been paying FICA taxes all their lives (and these have earned interest on US government instruments) on the promise that their retirements will be funded at the levels promised.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
28. This is what I was responding to:
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 09:08 PM
Nov 2020
People paid into social security for 40+ years
and it’s their money put there by them and their previous employers.


I took that as the poster meaning the money is in separate specific accounts, even though that is not exactly what was said. Perhaps I jumped the gun, but all too often people start claiming the money they paid into SS is THEIRS, and no one can touch it. The reality is, money gets paid into the system and then paid back out. I can't figure out why that's not a pay as you go system.

And it is very different from private defined benefit pension systems. Or at least it's very different from the private defined benefit pension systems that I'm familiar with.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
25. How about all those fucking IOUs Republicans placed into the Fund to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:00 PM
Nov 2020

For decades the Republicans have damaged and tried to destroy the Trust Funds with their fucking tax cuts for the wealthy. How about just calling all those wealthy elite tax cut IOUs it owes the Trust Funds, then we can address whether it is really in trouble and exactly how much recipients have been ripped off all these years to make that leveraged debt possible for those wealthy elite tax cuts.

Anytime fucking Republicans touch anything, their sole purpose it to defraud and destroy whatever get their greedy paws on. Yet this dumb fuck ass backwards cesspool alleged to be #1 USA just can't accept that Republicans only want to defraud and destroy everything in their sight.

Hotler

(11,396 posts)
17. It is not a trump thing, it is a repug thing. They have always been..
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:34 PM
Nov 2020

the party of selfishness. It is one of the party's cornerstones, right next to racism.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
15. Trump's grave will be designated as a historical national urinal.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:22 PM
Nov 2020

The line to piss on it will extend for miles, 24/7.

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