Trump must be held to account for his crimes. And Biden needs to accept that

[diva77]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/17/1996364/-Probing-and-prosecuting-Trump-s-transgressions-is-vital-to-preserving-our-democracy-for-generations?pm_source=story_sidebar&pm_medium=web&pm_campaign=most-shared

Kerry Eleveld
Daily Kos Staff
Tuesday November 17, 2020

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In some ways, it makes perfect sense that Biden doesn't want his entire presidency consumed by probes into Trump, his minions, and an inevitable cycle of recriminations. But Donald Trump so misused and abused the federal government that his entire tenure represents an assault on American democracy itself, not to mention a series of crimes against humanity, ranging from literally ripping children away from their parents and caging them to intentionally slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Americans through coronavirus denialism and weaponization of disinformation.

For those reasons, Trump and those who did his bidding must be held to account through both criminal inquiries and uncovering information that could mar the reputations of certain individuals for life. This is absolutely critical to preserving the integrity of our republic moving forward. Using the U.S. government to commit crimes against humanity cannot be tolerated at any level.

Biden can preach unity all he wants, but it is incumbent upon the incoming administration to make it glaringly clear that efforts to subvert our democracy and use the federal government for malign political purposes carry with them a steep cost for everyone involved. This is a fundamental part of safeguarding our democracy. Otherwise, the next autocrat—who will surely be far more competent than Trump—won't think twice before trodding the same paths Trump did, but with greater efficacy and fervor.

Biden clearly wants to make his presidency about healing our nation. Part of that healing includes inoculating it against the fascist impulses that are pulsing through the conservative movement right now. If House Democrats want to limit their number of inquiries by focusing on several key areas or specific transgressions, that's a reasonable approach. But don't pull any punches in those investigations—they must be thorough, relentless, and unsparing.
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[tirebiter]

1. The jury is the voters

Can you accept that?

[DanieRains]

2. Not For War Crimes

Family separation is a war crime.

[TomSlick]

31. Family separation may be a crime against humanity but is certainly not a war crime.

By definition, a war crime is a violation of the international laws of war - during an international armed conflict.

[diva77]

3. not sure I understand what you mean - can you elaborate? thanks

[LizBeth]

6. No

[Maven]

10. No. nt

[meadowlander]

17. The jury will be the juries.

You can't have it both ways - he can't be indicted as long as he's president and he can't be indicated after he is voted out of office...

The voters decide whether he is fit to continue holding the office. Juries decide whether he committed a crime or not. And he committed multiple felonies including bank, tax, insurance and campaign finance fraud. He should stand trial for them. Why is Michael Cohen sitting in prison at the moment for a crime he committed on Trump's behalf, with his knowledge and for his benefit? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[whopis01]

21. No. Losing an election is not criminal punishment.

If a murderer was fired from their job instead of being investigated and tried, could you accept that?

[Blue Owl]

4. By setting the bar higher, we can avoid tRump '24

He can’t run from a prison cell. And then the GOP’s got nuthin’. Win-Win for America!!!

[LizBeth]

5. All of us, are owed .

[A HERETIC I AM]

7. There have been a lot of posts on this topic over the last little while....

here on DU, quoting various articles and many OP's on the subject.

So here's my take;

We as a Constitutional Republic, one that holds itself to a standard we hope other nations would emulate, simply can not allow what Donald Trumpy has done to this country go unanswered, full stop.

What he has done to this country just can not be allowed to go away without a full on investigation. Every single one of his immediate family needs to be brought up on the charges they are clearly guilty of, from insider dealing, to obstructing justice to lying to congress to just being fucking assholes who think no one will or can touch them.

Every single one of his cabinet members need to be fully investigated and charged if they are guilty of wrongdoing.

They can not be allowed to walk away with no repercussions, and to those that would suggest otherwise, I say

F U C K .. T H A T ... S H I T!

[Quixote1818]

8. Being nice to Trump won't get us any votes. Republicans would not Pardon a Dem to beg for votes

Totally stupid idea.

[A HERETIC I AM]

9. Can you imagine what they would have done if the shoe was on the other foot?

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Imagine how out of control Moscow Mitch and Lindsey would be if Chelsea Clinton had secured special copyrights from China? Or any of the other bullshit that has gone on for the last 4 years?

The list is fucking endless!

The Republicans would be literally calling for Hillary's head.

It is a "Totally stupid idea", no fucking doubt.

[unblock]

12. No need to imagine, they chant to lock us up even for fake crimes.

[UCmeNdc]

20. Plus if laws were broken Biden must enforce the rule of law.

Biden cannot arbitrary decide to enforce some laws and let criminals slide on others. Can he?

[ansible]

11. Like Bush and Cheney were punished for their war crimes?

As much as I'd like to see Trump in jail, yeah right. Laws for you and me, not for thee!

[OnDoutside]

13. I've been saying for years at this stage that the"establishment"

won't want to see a President of the United States in a prison cell, and have that reflected shame on the country.

That said, I've come to the conclusion that there has to be justice, and justice that's seen to be done. If Trump walks away, with half the country stuck under the spell of his malevolence, how can America move on ? At the very least, there needs to be some sort of commission to expose all the biggest crimes committed during the last 4 years. You will never reach the core Trumpers, but if at least you can reach the Republicans who voted for Biden in November and maybe other moderates who ended up voting for trump out of tradition, holding the GOP to account above all.

I don't think you can sweep it all under the carpet.

[aggiesal]

19. I call it "The Presidential Crimes Commission" ...

And it should be one of the first things Biden creates.
We need to go after all enablers including members of both the House & Senate, cabinet, staff & family.
We are either a nation of laws or we're a banana republic.
We can't have it both ways,. We can't be a nation of laws and act like a banana republic.

Someone has to pay.

[OnDoutside]

23. My biggest concern is that there is no chance of reaching most of the 70 million who voted

for Trump, currently. So as it is, there's nothing lost by going after Trump and exposing all the criminality.

[aggiesal]

24. Why would that be a concern? ...

We're never going to reach those 70M until a Pendejo45's policies actually affects them.

They have no sense of empathy until they're affected.

Living in San Diego, I have plenty of RW "friends", that when you show them how
corrupt this current administration is, by showing them how many in the administration
have been indicted, convicted or confessed and are now serving time, they don't care!
Doesn't matter that it is the worst criminal administration in a century, worse than
Nixon & Reagan combined, they still don't care.

I wish someone would update these numbers.
This is after only 2 years of Pendejo45 in office.




This one is not dated, but it has to be more recent.
It doesn't show convictions or sentences.



Let's start the Presidential Crimes Commission and show them how really worst they really are.

[StaunchDemocrat1957]

14. We Can't Just Let trump Slide .Otherwise..

He comes back in2024 to do more damage.I don't think he should be allowed to run again if he burns the House down on the way out!

[cstanleytech]

16. Its not just Trump though its those in his administration as well as Republicans in the House and

Senate as they were co-conspirators.

[ehrnst]

25. By what mechanism do you propose to "not allow" him to run in 2024?

If the GOP wants to nominate him again, what law is there to stop him? What constitutional mechanism disqualifies him for candidacy?

And what does "let Trump slide" mean, specifically? Who do you mean when you say "We?"

[cstanleytech]

15. What is needed is a hands off independent investigation team that is given carte blanche to

do what is needed to investigate everything that those in the Trump administration did.

[UCmeNdc]

18. Trump must be investigated. To ignore his criminal activity will invite others to

seek the office and commit even worse crimes .

Ignoring a problem does not make it go away or solve the problem.

Biden has the duty and responsibility to investigate Trump and if crimes are found punish him within the laws of the United States.

[ehrnst]

27. It's not the job of POTUS to investigate. It's the job of the DOJ, who must be independent of POTUS

in their actions.

Do you think that the DOJ doesn't have a case against Trump unless Biden steps in and orders them to investigate?

[Python boot]

22. Genocide, stochastic terrorism, treason

These are all serious crimes that should not be ignored.

When one group of people steal the children that belong to another group of people that is considered an act of genocide according to United Nations definition.

Stochastic terrorism by encouraging his people to "liberate" states from democratic governors, encouraging his followers to attack democratic Senators, messages sent to the Proud Boys in the middle of a debate, sharing intelligence secrets with the Russians, the list goes on, withholding badly needed assistance to blue states battling Corona, these are all serious crimes and each one needs to be accounted for before we can have "unity."9

[AwakeAtLast]

26. If he hires the right AG

Biden won't have to do a thing.

[ehrnst]

28. +1000.

[crickets]

29. 👆

[Mz Pip]

30. Biden can stay out of the way

The DOJ, Manhattan DA and NYAG will take care of it.