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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Game Designer's Analysis Of QAnon
When I saw QAnon, I knew exactly what it was and what it was doing. I had seen it before. I had almost built it before. It was gamings evil twin. A game that plays people.
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QAnon grows on the wild misinterpretation of random data, presented in a suggestive fashion in a milieu designed to help the users come to the intended misunderstanding. Maybe guided apophenia is a better phrase. Guided because the puppet masters are directly involved in hinting about the desired conclusions. They have pre-seeded the conclusions. They are constantly getting the player lost by pointing out unrelated random events and creating a meaning for them that fits the propaganda message Q is delivering.
There is no reality here. No actual solution in the real world. Instead, this is a breadcrumb trail AWAY from reality. Away from actual solutions and towards a dangerous psychological rush. It works very well because when you figure it out yourself you own it. You experience the thrill of discovery, the excitement of the rabbit hole, the acceptance of a community that loves and respects you. Because you were convinced to connect the dots yourself you can see the absolute logic of it. This is the conclusion you arrived at. More about this later.
Everyone on the board agrees with you because its highly likely they were the ones that pointed it out to you just for that purpose.
https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
chia
(2,244 posts)Five words and done. That's it EXACTLY.
MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)Thanks for your description on how games are designed. I recall that when the rusky hackers got ahold of Podesta's emails they inserted pedophile code words combined with Pizza words to make it look like there was this secret cabal of Dems eating babies and all that BS. Some of the code words were pulled from an FBI manual to make it look legit.
When I first got on this very thread in 2017, it had me believing that this could be true. As weeks went on I really thought that I was on to something but then, one of the images that Q displayed to show that Hollywood was in on it, showed a fake body (you think it's real) laid out on a table, with kids tied to chairs watching the adults eat from the body and supposedly this is when the kids realized they were next to be eaten.
No Shit! They showed terrified kids tied to chairs as if they were watching all of this! The Hollywood producers of those picture scenes, came out and stated that they were images from a B rated horror movie or something and were not real! If I had not read that follow-up story, I don't know how far down the Rabbit Hole I would have gone!
Footnote: I was heavily medicated back then on PTSD meds and that didn't help much but only added to the paranoia. I'm off the shrink meds now and things are, should I say much clearer!
rwsanders
(2,594 posts)the Sierra Club and the American Sailing Association (as well as various individual sailing clubs) have developed programs specifically to help with PTSD that are usually attended and hosted by veterans. Participants have said that the comradery and the outdoors have been very beneficial.
MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)It shows to what lengths they go for their propaganda and that it took them being caught in a blatant lie to snap out of it. Many still believe it despite all the contradictions instead of admitting they got duped.
I know people, relatives included, who bought into this pizza gate nonsense which is so obviously an internet fabrication without any basis in reality (no victims, no whistleblowers, no witnesses). But it was still impossible to break through to the people I talked with. Anything that questions a conspiracy theory only strengthens their belief that this is just part of the conspiracy (for example, asking why law enforcement involved).
TygrBright
(20,755 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,957 posts)Initech
(100,038 posts)/Yakov Smirnov
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)0rganism
(23,927 posts)important passage from the article:
"Love, civilization, honor, good/evil, religion, money, etc. What is real and what is a fiction that we have created and agreed to live as if they existed? Maybe you dont believe your religion is a fiction, but what about everyone elses? Are they all equally real?"
this is not going to get easier for humans as deep fake technology improves and becomes highly accessible. we have a big epistemological problem and it's about to get much much bigger.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)The character who speaks in ALL CAPS is Death, btw.
"All right," said Susan, "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need...fantasies to make life bearable."
NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers?"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. DUTY. MERCY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
REALLY? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET YOU ACT, LIKE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes. But people have got to believe that or what's the point?"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
catrose
(5,059 posts)For a good fictional exploration of Alternate Reality Games, try Walter Jon Williams' This Is Not A Game.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)And commercialism of everything. If you examine what Republican politicians have been spewing lately, it seems like a bunch of nonsense copied from a bunch of alternate reality and science fiction movies. And Americans have been gobbling it all up like gospel. In the real world though, further decay and destruction await the American People under Republican policies, because no Super Hero is going to save them at the last minute.
CloudWatcher
(1,845 posts)And this angry atheist wonders what would happen if our schools all taught logic and critical thinking and people started to notice that they've been lied to by all the churches and states and corporations? There are a lot of vested interests in maintaining our shared alternate reality.
Karadeniz
(22,470 posts)Blue Owl
(50,259 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)atrocities on a global scale by intense, careful "research." And the "deeper" they dig, the more it's all confirmed. One way and another.
Qanon is also operating in conjunction with many other initiatives as documented by other sources and other developers. The coordination is consistent.
The link suggests patterns implicate some of the coordinating initiatives, including Russia. And, of course, in this scenario there is no "Q."
Fascinating. Thanks, Ehrnst.
plimsoll
(1,667 posts)The Carthaginians were supposed to sacrifice and eat their children.
The Gnostics were supposed to sacrifice and eat children.
The Albigensians, the Catharsis, it seems to be a storyline that can be repurposed for any new enemy.
I keep coming back to the fact that Q has a pretty heavily Christian bent. I know the story line is that its a defense official, but thats DOE badging, not DOD. More importantly in New Testament research Q is the name given the shared source material for Mathew and Luke. Its just too cozy, especially when you understand that Q is short for the German word quelle, or source. It seems to scream hoax.
You can go on and on, but the author is correct this is an ARG, and the participants dont know theyre hooked. On the other hand it is advertising and profit driven. Moving enough players to make perverted real world decisions will help secure money, power and prestige for the game developers.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Whoever started this for whatever reason, though, I figure there's zero chance foreign states looking to destabilize ours are not involved now. Need not interfere with profiteering. Russia's, of course, found cyber warfare focused on stirring up the worst in whole populations be both extremely inexpensive and world-shakingly effective.
And there's no chance state-level professionals wouldn't harness the giant forces of religious fervors and fears. Or of common cognitive weaknesses, left and right wing extremism, and bigotries and outright hatreds. Whoever's in this, they're working them all.
plimsoll
(1,667 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)I'm convinced there's just a certain percentage of the population who are completely gullible to ideas most people would consider straight up nonsense. This situation isn't entirely limited by political affiliation as you'll find all sorts of people right here on DU who have been heavily invested in anti-vax, crop circles, chemtrails, 9-11 truthers, and all sorts of other nutbaggery. And while these people aren't Qanon adherents they do often share traits of belief in a deep-state like conspiracy of a shadow government working in secret for nefarious purposes. As far as Qanon goes, most of those "true believers" I've ran into are also heavily invested in other forms of crackpottery, including the aforementioned.
The solution to these problems is always the same. When nutbaggery is offered, you counter it with reason and ridicule and eventually the nutbags are marginalized at least until they find a new shiny object.
SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)"There is no reality here. No actual solution in the real world. Instead, this is a breadcrumb trail AWAY from reality. Away from actual solutions and towards a dangerous psychological rush. It works very well because when you figure it out yourself you own it."
Sounds exactly like QAnon to me. We already know these people like to be lied to because they're republicans. Take it one step further and you have QAnon.
burrowowl
(17,632 posts)Celerity
(43,107 posts)niyad
(113,059 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)and those of us that stay away from that shit will be mad in time just from being around it.
Stop and think about the psychological impact on us from:
a.) Republican behavior in those around us and their politicians, RW media and preachers,
b.) social media flooded with non-stop bullshit,
c.) our public media being whipsawed every day with their lies and bullshit and
d.) severely degraded person-to-person communications that we humans need, now stripped of emotional and rational content.
It seems that anytime something good comes along that might benefit humanity (e.g., the internet, smartphones and drugs), our dark, greedy side uses and abuses it until it turns on us and works to destroy us.
KY
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)Upthevibe
(8,012 posts)Thank you for this post. I read the thread and sent it to a friend's daughter who's mom, (my friend and for now my former friend) is in the QAnon Cult.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)FakeNoose
(32,579 posts)Thanks for posting!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Bookmarked it when you posted it and finally had a chance to read it.
I'm tempted to share it widely, but even among my most literate friends, I'm not sure anyone would have the patience to read it. I was very motivated to and look how long it took me to finally do it. There used to be an app that summarized articles. I might try to find that, as least to offer as a way in.
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