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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:10 PM Nov 2020

Pennsylvania judge has heard enough from Rudy Giuliani -- and cancels scheduled evidentiary hearing


Published 38 mins ago on November 18, 2020
By Brad Reed

A federal judge based in Pennsylvania has heard enough from Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.

Judge Matthew Brann of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania on Wednesday announced (PDF) that he was formally canceling an evidentiary hearing that had been scheduled to take place on Thursday.

“The evidentiary hearing previously scheduled for Thursday, November 19, 2020 is CANCELLED,” the judge wrote in his order, which also denied a motion by Trump attorney Linda Kerns to sanction opposing counsel for a supposedly “threatening” phone call.

As Law and Crime News reporter Adam Klasfeld notes, Judge Brann telegraphed this move in court on Tuesday when he said that he didn’t see the need to hold an evidentiary hearing based on the claims being made by the Trump campaign.

“Context: Rudy Giuliani admitted in court yesterday, ‘This is not a fraud case,'” writes Klasfeld in explaining why the judge saw no need to hold a hearing on fraud evidence when Giuliani said that the case didn’t actually involve fraud allegations.

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Pennsylvania judge has heard enough from Rudy Giuliani -- and cancels scheduled evidentiary hearing (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2020 OP
ha XanaDUer2 Nov 2020 #1
Teehee onetexan Nov 2020 #2
I Imagine The Response Looked Like This smb Nov 2020 #52
Funny Stuff! ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #53
How many more $20k paydays will Rudy get from this soothsayer Nov 2020 #3
We all know he isn't getting crap underpants Nov 2020 #6
Poor, poor Rudy Zambero Nov 2020 #9
I understood he was working for free due to alimony underpants Nov 2020 #11
Yes he is working for free FakeNoose Nov 2020 #16
Rudy doesn't realize that he's working Pro Boner. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #30
🤣 underpants Nov 2020 #32
OMD NJCher Nov 2020 #38
Let's talk about his "fees" vlyons Nov 2020 #35
I'm getting more than that from Soros to move to Georgia bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #25
Ha! soothsayer Nov 2020 #27
Make sure you get the check before you charge your card! MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #41
My sect gets paid in cash bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #46
Oh, CRUD!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #47
Enjoy your game...see you in DC in Jan. bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #48
DAMNED STRAIGHT!!!! MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #49
👍... n/t bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #50
... Mike 03 Nov 2020 #4
Judges take a rather dim view of people wasting the Court's time. rustysgurl Nov 2020 #5
I Was On A Jury In March ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #54
LOL Wut OhZone Nov 2020 #7
But, but..... TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #8
ALL part of the plan - Rudy has us Dems right where he wants us!!! jmg257 Nov 2020 #10
He sure does. dware Nov 2020 #15
KNR Lucinda Nov 2020 #12
My recollection from yesterday was that Rudy & Co had until 5 PM to submit evidence brooklynite Nov 2020 #13
Rudy hasn't made a constitutional argument for the SC to even consider this case Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #14
What works on Fox News doesn't work in court. ooky Nov 2020 #17
If I were him I'd never show my face in public again. A total embarrassment. George II Nov 2020 #18
My Cousin RUDY! jcgoldie Nov 2020 #19
It's obvious to everyone (in the world) that all these bastards are doing C Moon Nov 2020 #20
Maybe Rudy'd done better if theyda paid him $3000 a day. marble falls Nov 2020 #21
Boy that kraken is more of a jellyfish. nolabear Nov 2020 #22
Actual size may vary. klook Nov 2020 #31
This looks like the case gets tossed. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #23
Reminds me of the time I got up to plead my case before a judge: robbob Nov 2020 #24
What really bothers me about this whole Rudy Giuliani saga. Turbineguy Nov 2020 #26
And he was a better Federal Attorney than he was a mayor. What a looong deeeep slide. marble falls Nov 2020 #29
Are we sure Rudy wasn't just cleaning up NY City Captain Zero Nov 2020 #34
My wife and I were discussing this same thing fifteen minutes ago Chainfire Nov 2020 #42
Bud Abbot and Lou Costello twodogsbarking Nov 2020 #28
Updated Chevy Chase catchphrase: "President Donald J. Trump has still lost the 2020 election." Yavin4 Nov 2020 #33
Hahahahahahaha DanieRains Nov 2020 #36
Trump is now 1 and 27 in his court cases about the election Botany Nov 2020 #37
But Trump can claim that he is winning in the courts, just like in the election! Chainfire Nov 2020 #43
Can we end this four year clown show FTL of C? Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #39
Boy, $20,000 a day doesn't buy much these days!!! Dustlawyer Nov 2020 #40
Rudy needs to make it while he can Chainfire Nov 2020 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #45
Take that, Rudy! ShazzieB Nov 2020 #51

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
9. Poor, poor Rudy
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:35 PM
Nov 2020

If his fees include any contingency stipulations, he'll be way behind on those alimony payments!

underpants

(182,632 posts)
11. I understood he was working for free due to alimony
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:38 PM
Nov 2020

or something divorce related. I thought it was considered that he was making money in Ukraine and hiding it somehow.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
16. Yes he is working for free
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:49 PM
Nov 2020

... however I think he's had to hire other lawyers to handle some of these case. Most likely Rudy is charging Chump for the other lawyers' salaries.

Rudy isn't licensed to practice law in a lot of places. It was just mentioned on DU the other day that he allowed his license to lapse in Washington, DC of all places. Lawyers have to pay an annual fee of some amount, and he didn't pay his fee, so they dropped him.

The joke's on Rudy because of course Chump will never pay him $20K per day.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
35. Let's talk about his "fees"
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:08 PM
Nov 2020

which are certainly not being paid by Trump. Probably paid by donors, the campaign, and/or the RNC. How much of the $20K do you think gets kicked back to Trump? Then again, it's probably not even $20K, but that figure is just to make him appear to be that valuable. Har-D-Har-Har. I can't even imagine anyone hiring him post-Trump. He'll probably be chasing ambulances.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
25. I'm getting more than that from Soros to move to Georgia
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:29 PM
Nov 2020

And vote.

R/T airfare, car, per diem, three meals, mcmansion with pool and laundry/drycleaning included.

Not as good as 2018 Orange County but there's a pandemic creating a surplus of mobile voters out there.

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
41. Make sure you get the check before you charge your card!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:43 PM
Nov 2020

I'm still waiting for my checks for my parts in the protests of SO many that were part of the "Screw the Blue" movement - you know, the "Anti-Blue-Lives-Matter" gang.
I've also been involved in some "lobby" protests, although we were discovered and "the pResident" outed us:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!


OK, so I didn't get all of the ink off of my hands - is that any reason not to pay me?

Come on, Soros, PAY UP!

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
46. My sect gets paid in cash
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:22 PM
Nov 2020

If you have the "hillary" clause in your contract you're working under the " old" contract.

Check page 3, subsection 2 and see if you have the "pelosi principles" included. If not you can upgrade to the current contract by executing plan alpha tango tango next time you transit sector 2


👍

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
49. DAMNED STRAIGHT!!!!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:39 PM
Nov 2020

We'll be in the 2nd. largest Inaugural crowd ever (provided my Soros checks clears........).

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
5. Judges take a rather dim view of people wasting the Court's time.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:16 PM
Nov 2020

As a retired paralegal, I've seen my fair share of judicial lectures, tantrums and downright blowups towards attorneys who either a) didn't know what the hell they were doing or b) knew what they were doing but kept trying to advance frivolous arguments. Judges (no matter their political leanings and as a general rule) take very seriously the fact that the Court systems are paid for by the people, and it is "the peoples'" time these fools are wasting. There's also a little judicial arrogance mixed in, and that results in a cocktail no attorney wants poured over their head.

It's obvious from what I read yesterday that Giuliani is no constitutional or legal scholar, and hasn't practiced in some time. He was so in over his head it was laughable -- but the Judge doesn't appear to be amused.

Chalk up another win for our side!

ProfessorGAC

(64,874 posts)
54. I Was On A Jury In March
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 08:37 AM
Nov 2020

I can see that judge taking the stance you describe.
A couple times he corrected the lawyers during court, and I heard the "come on, now" in his tone.
If they had persisted, I can hear the riot act in my head.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
14. Rudy hasn't made a constitutional argument for the SC to even consider this case
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

Trump knows this gig is up. He's just trying to be an obstructionist. He doesn't want Biden to have a smooth transition. He wants to break as many things as possible before he either quits or his term expires.

I think he's staying in the White House to pull some sort of bullshit.

ooky

(8,908 posts)
17. What works on Fox News doesn't work in court.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:51 PM
Nov 2020

Gotta have some evidence to go with the allegations in Court. Sorry Rudy. Too bad Hannity isn't a judge.

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
19. My Cousin RUDY!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:59 PM
Nov 2020
Once the judge began asking each side questions about their arguments, it became clear that Giuliani did not understand basic legal terms.

For instance, Judge Brann asked Giuliani which level of scrutiny he should apply for the dispute. In election law cases, if a “strict scrutiny” standard is applied, states must overcome a higher bar in defending their voting policies, while under a “rational basis” standard, states have more leeway in defending their actions.

When Brann asked Giuliani which standard should be applied, Giuliani at first said “the normal one.”

Brann tried to clarify if Giuliani meant strict scrutiny.

“No, the normal scrutiny,” Giuliani.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hearing-pennsylvania-rump-campaign

This fucking movie was better when it starred Joe Pesci!!

C Moon

(12,209 posts)
20. It's obvious to everyone (in the world) that all these bastards are doing
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:02 PM
Nov 2020

is grasping at lie-filled straws.

If any of these cases actually affect the election, it would be 100% fraud.

Happy Hoosier

(7,221 posts)
23. This looks like the case gets tossed.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

He's probably still writing the ruling, but this telegraphs that he thinks their case is garbage.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
24. Reminds me of the time I got up to plead my case before a judge:
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:07 PM
Nov 2020

Contesting a speeding ticket I didn’t feel I deserved. Since I HAD been speeding, but felt I had a good reason for doing so I pled “guilty with an explanation”. The judge looked at me like I was an idiot and explained, explanation or not, I had just pled “guilty” and therefore had to pay the fine.

Lesson: don’t get up in a court of law if you don’t know what the f*** you’re doing. A lesson Rudy hasn’t learned apparently...

Turbineguy

(37,295 posts)
26. What really bothers me about this whole Rudy Giuliani saga.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:30 PM
Nov 2020

When he was a young prosecutor, he really cleaned up New York City and made it a much better place. An enduring legacy to this day.

Why did he get himself hooked up with trump? There's enough other shit on sidewalks to step into.

It bothers me when I respect and admire somebody and they take this kind of fall from grace.

Captain Zero

(6,787 posts)
34. Are we sure Rudy wasn't just cleaning up NY City
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:04 PM
Nov 2020

For the Russian Mafia to move in? Or was that a coincidence?

Chainfire

(17,474 posts)
42. My wife and I were discussing this same thing fifteen minutes ago
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:59 PM
Nov 2020

It is like Giuliani fell off of the sane wagon.

Yavin4

(35,423 posts)
33. Updated Chevy Chase catchphrase: "President Donald J. Trump has still lost the 2020 election."
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:58 PM
Nov 2020

Good night Don and have an unpleasant tomorrow.

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