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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbso-fucking-lutely Biden should not use his power to go after Trump.
Anyone who says he should is no better than Trump and the bullshit he spewed about locking up Hillary if he was elected.
Biden should allow the Department of Justice to handle everything and he should NOT in any way appear to be putting his thumb on the scales.
XanaDUer2
(10,487 posts).
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)Biden should concentrate on getting the country going in the right direction and leave the investigations to the people who are supposed to do them.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Letting Justice handle it is the right way.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Saying "Anyone who says he should is no better than Trump" is pretty outrageous and that's being nice.
I suspect Dems as a whole support law and order with respect to any tRump misdeeds. As leader of the party Joe will be seen as supportive of enforcing law and order. That's not a bad thing.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,308 posts)Theres a difference: trump is fucking guilty
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)That is just dangerous talk. I don't care if Trump committed crimes. It's not the next president's job to get involved with the legality of anything.
forgotmylogin
(7,518 posts)Trump was all about vengeance and bully taunts and wielding government resources against people he didn't like. We shouldn't be all up in the President's personal business like he does. Trump is a terrible person across the board and that's not anyone else's fault.
There are laws, and Trump, as a soon-to-be citizen, is subject to them.
Bleacher Creature
(11,250 posts)It hinted that Biden may personally be leery about investigations becoming a distraction, but his commitment to an independent DOJ is all that matters.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,570 posts)The president - any president - should stay out of DoJ's decisions regarding investigations and whom to prosecute. James Comey (whatever you might think of him, he's right about this) said that after Obama had finished interviewing him, he (Obama) told him that they could have no more direct conversations, because it would be inappropriate for a president to be involved, or even seem to be involved, in criminal investigations and prosecutions. If the FBI or other law enforcement agency receives evidence that Trump might have committed a crime, they will investigate, quietly and without any involvement of the president. If they find evidence to turn over to a U.S. Attorney, they will do so, again without informing or involving the president. If the U.S. Attorney decides to call a grand jury, that is also their decision. It can't be political or even carry the faintest whiff of the political - although that accusation will be made, regardless.
What I think will happen is that Trump will pardon himself, which, of course, won't save him from state prosecutions. But it gets Biden and his DoJ completely off that hook because they have no control over what the Manhattan D.A. does. If Trump is prosecuted and convicted in a New York state court, he would go to a much less pleasant prison than if the Feds got him. Realistically, though, I don't think he'll spend a day in prison - but he could be subject to civil forfeiture, which would be almost as painful for him.
JI7
(89,237 posts)an investigation to expose everything that happened.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Biden should go after him.
It would be up to SDNY and the AG. Trump can and should be investigated for breaking laws by the oversight mechanisms already in place (once they are repaired, after being broken and destroyed by Trump).
It is also up to the FBI and Intelligence agencies, if they have cause to believe they need to open counterintelligence investigations (or, worse, counterespionage investigations) into Trump, if they have not already (and Peter Strzok's book gives me reason to believe they may have--at the very least they absolutely considered it).
JFC
I hear you
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Remember that vast right-wing conspiracy that Hillary foresaw back in the 90's? Well, it's never gone away and it may have reached its criminal zenith the past 4 years. Conspiracy as in felonious conspiracy. Conspiracy as in covering up myriad crimes and abuses of the public trust.
None of that is spearheaded by the President. The wheels of justice will exact the proper response. It will not and should not be political in nature, no matter how much the opposition protests it as such.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The last four years were okie dokie. WTF? Joe should encourage, direct, and pursue the absolute crucification of Donald fucking trump. To not do so would be a violation of his path.
sinkingfeeling
(51,434 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... Putin's Whore himself.
Come on people, the bigger issue here is working towards peace via justice
Turin_C3PO
(13,893 posts)Biden stays above the fray and allows the DOJ to do their job. Biden doesnt even have to comment on any specific investigations.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)58Sunliner
(4,371 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Joe isn't the one to "go after" anyone, but he can certainly support law and order as the leader of the Dems.
LenaBaby61
(6,972 posts)That if tRump isn't investigated, even though it appears that he may be guilty of millions of dollars worth of tax fraud etc., then why have agencies of investigation if no one is investigated for their alleged acts of criminality?
I know that if a Dem had done a tiny bit of what tRump had done: NOT caring about folks dying of Covid-19, working with putin, trying to overturn the ACA in total and not replacing it with anything, and we know that i could go on and on of what tRump is probably guilty of, he'd have been dragged out of the oval office and put on trial like yesterday by thuglicans because as I recall, Obama was gone after by many in the corporate media and by thuglicans for wearing a tan suit during the presidency (Pretty sure no Dem president would do what tRump, Nixon or Bush were guilty of. It hurt that Dems have to always move on for the good of the country when thuglicans fuck shit up almost beyond repair 😑 .
Why weren't RayGun or Dem Bill Clinton gone after for wearing tan suits during their presidencies?
Humm ... I wonder if White Male Privilege applies?
Thekaspervote
(32,688 posts)And continue to suffer thru under the likes of this tyrant
Duppers
(28,117 posts)
Still, multiple aides said, Biden is generally not inclined to see his Justice Department investigate Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)paleotn
(17,870 posts)Did we learn NOTHING from Obama's 8 years?
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)behavior, still... We are gonna unite!
Blue Owl
(50,234 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)It will be his absolute duty to do so on Jan. 20 and after.
No reason to shy away from the concept of justice-for-all, at this time.
Who knows what crimes *rump & Co. will commit before Jan. 20. Those crimes might not only be against our nation, but against humanity.
Now is no time for fear of politics. We have a nation and the world to protect from the likes of *rump & Co.
Mr.Bill
(24,228 posts)I don't think locking up Hillary should be compared to locking up Trump. While due process should be afforded to all, it's pretty clear that Trump has broken many laws while Hillary has not.
But yes, it's a job for the DOJ, not the President.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)anything they can find to get people pissed, and it surely does not have to be true, or relevant. Attack from without, attack from within.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)He does not have to. We all should know that SDNY will do as good a job of going after him as the DOJ. If the DOJ investigates and indicts him, that will be icing on the justice cake.
DinahMoeHum
(21,769 posts). . .NOT an Attorney General. . .and as such, he will delegate that authority.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)In any way whatsoever from fully investigating everything and anything the tRUMP & Republican Cabal have been doing for the last decade. If they need more personnel and funding, then there should NOT be any obstacle for that. If a Special Counsel needs to be brought in and funded to cover everything, then so be it.
The tRUMP & Republican Criminal activity that nearly ended the USA will only escalate and never end, until all crimes, corruption, and traitorous activities have been prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law without exception. Crawl up their asses with microscopes, just like any ordinary Citizen would have done to them.
BigmanPigman
(51,560 posts)The mob is fine with performing this duty...they are more than experienced and capable of doing such things (like Putin would do to his pals). Trump would love to die at the hands of a good, old-school NY mobster (it is his childhood dream) so we should at least give him that. Find an extra large pair of cement shoes (with lifts naturally). He'll go out in um... a certain style, splash, down like a big fat boulder!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,558 posts)and I agree with it now.
Escurumbele
(3,373 posts)the next AG handle it as he/she saw fit.
Is anyone suggesting Biden should get involved? Have not heard that one.
rurallib
(62,373 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)yonder
(9,653 posts)paleotn
(17,870 posts)to rebuild the wall separating the White House from the Justice Dept. He will not interfere with Justice in the performance of its job. In my mind, that's akin to crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Biden needs not lift a finger. The right AG will do all that's necessary. And I fucking mean ALL that's necessary. It's time to put the fear of God in these bastards.
EmeraldCoaster
(131 posts)Let the chips fall where they may. Trump is going to prison.
It would demonstrate "no one is above the law".
ailsagirl
(22,876 posts)Not that he doesn't deserve it-- just that he'll somehow weasel out of it-- we all know how corrupt he is...
I hope I'm wrong but I've seen too many get away with impunity over the years...
onecaliberal
(32,760 posts)Skate
KPN
(15,634 posts)Nuance it any way you want, but an investigation carried out by the DOJ will be characterized by Repugs as political regardless of how much distance is created it and Biden as President. The only way to avoid that is for Biden to explicitly direct the DOJ to NOT investigate the tRump administration.
I dont want him to do that. I also think it would be a massive mistake to do so. We have one chance to right this ship. Forgiving the past, letting bygones be bygones wont correct anything. Changes in laws may, but will Repugs and big money lobbyists support the needed changes when there are no consequences? Doubtful.
Rizen
(707 posts)Trump's a criminal who needs to be punished. Hillary isn't.
58Sunliner
(4,371 posts)That's a big fat whopper with cheese. But let's ask those Trump supporters how they feel.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)👍
ailsagirl
(22,876 posts)Delegate!!
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)I want someone who gives no quarter to the Republican criminal enterprise and hunts down and pursues prosecution of every single one who betrayed our nation for the sake of personal gain.
DBoon
(22,336 posts)and malfeasance should be investigated and prosecuted as it always has been for political corruption that violates Federal Law.