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brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:33 AM Nov 2020

The Dumbest of Coups

Commentary Magazine

The president himself has embraced an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that a voting equipment supply company rigged the election against him. Anyone who says otherwise—and they are numerous—is ignored or attacked. And when those voices of dissent come from within his own administration, they are summarily fired. The president doesn’t even bother to craft a cover story to justify his actions.

There is no persuasive effort underway. Indeed, public persuasion seems an afterthought. All you hear from the White House is Tchaikovsky on a loop.

None of this is particularly intimidating. It’s pitiful. What Trump is sacrificing amid these desperate efforts to cling to power is one of his best political assets: the perception that he is an effective pugilist in defense of what is his and, therefore, presumably a strong advocate for his constituents. That was only ever a matter of perception—Trump himself has confessed he’s more of a “whiner” than a fighter. But the president’s goal is to remain relevant within the party—a kingmaker ahead of 2022 and a resurgent force in 2024. The fiasco over which he presides only makes it easier for those Republicans who have to break from Trump and Trumpism to succeed him. Like the coup plotters, the Republicans mounting a hopeless last stand are sacrificing their legitimacy and honor in defense of a hill that is already overrun.

But that sort of tawdry politics can wait for another day. The impropriety of it all cannot and should not be ignored. Yes, Trump voters feel like it shouldn’t have gone this way. They think it doesn’t make any sense, and there is too much smoke in the air for there to be no fire somewhere—anywhere. But those feelings are the byproduct of a deliberate misinformation campaign. Far from being menaced by this subterfuge, Trump’s Democratic opponents can summon only embarrassment for the president.


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The Dumbest of Coups (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2020 OP
Then the correct answer is tnlurker Nov 2020 #1
Name a losing Democratic candidate who claims that voting machines were hacked... brooklynite Nov 2020 #2
I don't know of one tnlurker Nov 2020 #3
What's wrong with a simple answer? brooklynite Nov 2020 #4
Trump gained no support outside of his base over the past 4 years tnlurker Nov 2020 #5
Trump's share of Hispanic and Black votes grew in 2016... brooklynite Nov 2020 #7
...is still a coup 0rganism Nov 2020 #6

tnlurker

(1,020 posts)
1. Then the correct answer is
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:48 AM
Nov 2020

That voting supply companies did not throw the ejection far enough for Trump to win. He knows they were in his favor to "win" he thought. They were not really favored enough for him to beat the great democratic turnout. It worked for most of the Senate candidates but not for him. That is why he is blaming the supply companies.
I saw a post last week that showed Tennessee with a 9 point polling difference from the election results. For Tennessee that would look like it would make sense. Nobody is calling that wrong...but it must likely is incorrect. Trump maybe won Tennessee by a few percent not the 13 or so he did win by. I am sure most states were set to some explainable number.
But that number was not big enough to win Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania and Arizona. So we have Biden as our President elect as we should. I doubt if 50 million really voted for Trump. The rest of the totals are pre-planned for trump. That is why he is asking for a recount in 9 ly the two big democratic counties in Wisconsin. The other counties will show the wrong numbers for him.

tnlurker

(1,020 posts)
3. I don't know of one
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:01 AM
Nov 2020

That is not the point. If you look at all of the races that fell to the Republican advantage and not the democratic advantage it does not make sense. I think this is one reason that many Republicans are calling the election for Biden instead of contesting it. So no one looks at the many Senate races that fell to the Republicans. I have no data to back this up other than all the many posts I have read here and other sites that don't make sense.

It is just my opinion after watching 20 years of flowed election take that have favored the Republican side for all those years. They could not do it during Obama's time and the could not do it here. So they have to screw the country in other ways like with the Senate.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
4. What's wrong with a simple answer?
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

Republican voters in largely Republican States voted for Republican candidates...Trump was the anomoly where some Republicans wouldn't also vote for him.

tnlurker

(1,020 posts)
5. Trump gained no support outside of his base over the past 4 years
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

I know several Republicans from work and other places. I am in a very red suburb of my democratic major city here in Tennessee. I know several people that voted for Trump in 2016 and did not in 2020. I never heard of anyone that did not vote for Trump before say that they would this time. I am sure there are some...maybe I just don't know any. Well the majority of the sensible ones voted for Biden.

I don't know were he gained any votes, here in Tennessee or anywhere else from pre election comments read here and elsewhere. But suddenly with the election he got 10 million more votes than last time. He should have had 10 million less if the polling and other signs were correct...which I suspect were.
Why is the simple answer not correct?

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
7. Trump's share of Hispanic and Black votes grew in 2016...
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

As for the polling, growing consensus is that Trump supporters (perhaps warned about "fake news" media) refused to participate in polling efforts, skewing the outcome.

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