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jalan48

(13,860 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:19 PM Nov 2020

Hoyer on Trump election challenges: 'I think this borders on treason'

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Thursday said President Trump's efforts to persuade Republican officials to reverse election results in key battleground states “borders on treason.”

“He is undermining the very essence of democracy, which is: You go to the poll, you vote and the people decide,” Hoyer told The Washington Post. “There’s no doubt that the people decided.”

“I think this borders on treason,” the Maryland Democrat added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/526861-hoyer-on-trump-election-challenges-i-think-this-borders-on-treason

Strong, needed language.

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Hoyer on Trump election challenges: 'I think this borders on treason' (Original Post) jalan48 Nov 2020 OP
Hear, hear! Poiuyt Nov 2020 #1
All I have heard to date are words. Words, Words and more Words from the echo chamber. olegramps Nov 2020 #28
Exactly. For 4 years. Not pointing fingers it's just that the Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #39
Get rid of the Electoral College, and there would be no issue with this election or 2016 or 2000. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #2
You know it is never going away in our lifetimes. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #21
Lots of things I thought I'd never see in my lifetime. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #42
We need more support for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact dlk Nov 2020 #35
That proposal would bypass the EC. It can work. n/t Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #37
There are so many red states that will never voluntarily relinquish power Qutzupalotl Nov 2020 #44
Does treason really have a border? Arne Nov 2020 #3
apparently Trump trumps treason with a virtual wall. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #18
Strong words from Hoyer. Awesome! Wicked Blue Nov 2020 #4
Even Closer To Sedition ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #5
Sedition but not close to treason (as defined in the constitution) grantcart Nov 2020 #36
So, make a criminal referral to the new DOJ. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #6
It's about time Dems started calling this what it is - sedition/treason. kysrsoze Nov 2020 #7
Exactly BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #8
And so we are doing what exactly about this? birdographer Nov 2020 #9
Political pressure. We have no power to oust him. I hope the DA's and courts expose his crimes after jalan48 Nov 2020 #11
same old, same old... stillcool Nov 2020 #20
We've got Tillis here. Useless. birdographer Nov 2020 #24
More like sedition or insurrection Augiedog Nov 2020 #10
Clearly. dalton99a Nov 2020 #12
AMEN STENY.....Now what can we do about it? spanone Nov 2020 #13
Precisely Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #38
Censure? Better than nothing. Might take a weekend to compose. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #41
maybe we need "Trump lost!" yard signs bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #14
He will pardon himself, Pence will pardon him and nothing will happen to him. NT SayItLoud Nov 2020 #15
Agreed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #16
Why not take the word "Borders" out? Just plain "This is treason" Escurumbele Nov 2020 #17
Trumps' treason crossed the border years ago and is now... Gary 50 Nov 2020 #19
Goddamn right it does! As sure as God made little green apples. PatrickforO Nov 2020 #22
Borders? smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #23
It's always conditioned by democrats. geesh. triron Nov 2020 #27
Yep. Sedition/ treason. I don't care what you call it legally. We're watching a crime syndicate Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #25
Borders????? (nt) Richard D Nov 2020 #26
Glad someone is saying it Bettie Nov 2020 #29
Yay! Hallelujah for Steny Hoyer speaking KPN Nov 2020 #30
And also those helping him. nt ooky Nov 2020 #31
Good Snackshack Nov 2020 #32
Biden doesn't want to ruffle any feathers right now. It's his Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #43
Well then VA_Jill Nov 2020 #33
Send a sternly-worded letter while Putin must be scoffing to the point of asking for some air Lock him up. Nov 2020 #34
Attempting to overthrow the Government is treason. Sprite Nov 2020 #40
Sure seems like it to me. calimary Nov 2020 #45
Borders on Treason??? Heck, it IS Treason!!! panfluteman Nov 2020 #46
Agreed. This is antithetical to the values of our democracy. I also believe it is sedition, and he c-rational Nov 2020 #47
Another strong voice, like William Cohen. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #48
Finally! They are saying out loud what everyone here has for weeks! sarchasm Nov 2020 #49
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Exactly. For 4 years. Not pointing fingers it's just that the
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 04:02 PM
Nov 2020

Monster got bigger and bigger along the way with just stern words.

At the very least, congress should document all this and censure him. Get it in the history books. Plus it reenforces this if we still have to deal with him in 2024.

maxsolomon

(33,323 posts)
21. You know it is never going away in our lifetimes.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:18 PM
Nov 2020

We all know that.

3/4 of the states would need to approve it. Small states would never surrender their outsized Power.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
35. We need more support for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 03:34 PM
Nov 2020

Signatories agree to award all of their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. This will be easier to accomplish than a constitutional amendment, especially with so many Republican state legislatures.

Qutzupalotl

(14,305 posts)
44. There are so many red states that will never voluntarily relinquish power
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 04:46 PM
Nov 2020

that I think we’ll still be officially on the EC for the foreseeable future. The NPVIC will chip away at the EC’s influence, but we will have to flip more red state legislatures, which will be a heavy lift.

Another way out of this morass: statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico, both likely blue states. Four more Senators for us and a few more EC votes.

Wicked Blue

(5,831 posts)
4. Strong words from Hoyer. Awesome!
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:24 PM
Nov 2020

Rep. Steny Hoyer is very low-key and not given to overstatement. Coming from him, this is really powerful.

jalan48

(13,860 posts)
11. Political pressure. We have no power to oust him. I hope the DA's and courts expose his crimes after
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:44 PM
Nov 2020

he leaves office. If not, we'll see this movie again, only with a better actor.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
20. same old, same old...
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

couple a hundred million people can't get 100 Senators, and 435 Congressman to do the right thing. Are you represented by any Republicans?

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
17. Why not take the word "Borders" out? Just plain "This is treason"
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

We all know the guy is a traitor, he has done it for all of us to see, in Helsinki, from the White House, in North Korea, etc. etc.

So please, lets stop trying to be so careful and tell it like it is...TREASON!

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
25. Yep. Sedition/ treason. I don't care what you call it legally. We're watching a crime syndicate
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

and they have lots of support.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
30. Yay! Hallelujah for Steny Hoyer speaking
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 03:22 PM
Nov 2020

frank truth at a time where our democracy desperately needs it!

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
32. Good
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 03:26 PM
Nov 2020

The Dems need to be getting this message out everyday all day. I do not understand their silence over the past weeks at all. Now Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff... the Biden team.

This placating of DT's feeling or whatever is the reason for the silence needs to end. The lady at the GSA needs to be compelled to do her job so the transition team can get started. More and more people are dying daily from COVID this is what the government needs to be focusing on. Not this peoples court soap opera because one man does not like how the voters voted.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Biden doesn't want to ruffle any feathers right now. It's his
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 04:16 PM
Nov 2020

strategy. Hopefully keeping out of it shines a light solely on Covid-45. May be working. Recent Ipsos polls show trump approval in upper 30s since election. Almost as low at 11-2017.

On the other hand, agree, so frustrating not doing anything to stop him. Maybe they're getting rid of pending legal cases and waiting for all certs? Not sure when that will end.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
34. Send a sternly-worded letter while Putin must be scoffing to the point of asking for some air
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 03:30 PM
Nov 2020
to breathe... for the next two months.

He succeeded beyond his wildest dream$.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
46. Borders on Treason??? Heck, it IS Treason!!!
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 11:01 AM
Nov 2020

When you come to think of it, our constitutional democracy, our democratic system of government in which the people choose their leaders, is what defines us as a nation - it's what we are most known and admired for, and the main positive thing we have to give to the world. And so, if Trump is trying to subvert a free and fair election, which was one of the most secure in American history, he is effectively pitting himself against the United States as its enemy.

c-rational

(2,592 posts)
47. Agreed. This is antithetical to the values of our democracy. I also believe it is sedition, and he
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 11:51 AM
Nov 2020

all his reThuglican enablers need ot pay a price.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
48. Another strong voice, like William Cohen.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 12:24 PM
Nov 2020

I don't know how many it will take, but they have to persevere and make their numbers grow.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
49. Finally! They are saying out loud what everyone here has for weeks!
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 12:47 PM
Nov 2020

Thank you DU. Keep up the good fight!

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