"If" Biden were to pardon Trump, all hell would break out and the US even more severely

[RKP5637]

divided. And no way in hell is Trump going to quiet down. Trump, would just see this as a weakness on Biden's part to be exploited. In no way does Trump approach anything like many might consider to be a relatively normal person ... he would not back down IMO.

[sarcasmo]

1. Trump will self pardon, that's how insane Trump's brain works.

[RKP5637]

3. Yep, very likely ... plus an entire host of characters.

[Walleye]

2. Joe won't pardon Trump. I'd bet money on it

[RKP5637]

4. Yep, I don't think so either.

[Aviation Pro]

5. President Biden has stated that he won't pardon Shitbag

N/a

[Sunsky]

12. Exactly

The question was asked and Biden has already given a definitive answer. NO.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/joe-biden-pledges-not-to-pardon-trump-260147

[NoRoadUntravelled]

6. Biden won't pardon Trump. And he can't interfere in New York's prosecution of him.

If Trump is going to escape prosecution it will be by sneaking out of the White House and boarding a private plane for a country that does not have an extradition agreement with the United States.
I have a strong suspicion the worst of Trump's crimes (and those of his enablers) won't come to light for some time yet and he won't want to risk being sent back to the US. Even his most staunch believers will lose faith by then.

[colsohlibgal]

9. This

Joe can let NY go after his years of fraud and other crimes. And I heard a lead prosecutor there say they were loaded for bear and ready to finally face consequences from his years of massive fraud.

[RKP5637]

22. I've been thinking similar, that Trump might try some plan of escape. n/t

[NoRoadUntravelled]

30. It's hard to imagine him sticking around to be prosecuted. nt

[RKP5637]

31. He has money and resources, anything might happen. If he stays, I would assume

he realizes he might lose everything. Plus, he has all of that debt coming due. There is so much lined up against him. I think he's running out of Teflon!

[NoRoadUntravelled]

34. That sums it up very well. nt

[C_U_L8R]

7. Biden has no reason to pardon Trump.

[RKP5637]

32. Absolutely true! It was simply a "What If" question/statement. n/t

[C_U_L8R]

35. It's like "pardon me and I'll stop committing the crimes I'm committing"

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Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. I think the real shitshow scenario is IF doofus somehow corrupts the Electoral College. Then we're entering Ceaușescu territory where bad things happen to bad people.

[RKP5637]

37. Yeah, I'm really afraid the ass is going to try to F up the Electoral College somehow. n/t

[Demsrule86]

8. Biden has said he won't pardon Trump...so maybe you delete the thread?

Clickbait and an attack on Biden. Why would you do this?

[RKP5637]

21. Absolutely NOT an attack on Biden. That is why it said "IF!" You are reading too much into

a simple "what if."

[brush]

10. Why do you think that will ever happen? trump is guilty as sin of many things...

and Biden certainly won't interfere with whatever is in the offing for trump and the Biden DOJ, and federal pardons have no standing with NY legal authorities.

[RKP5637]

23. I have never thought it would happen. It was a theoretical "what if," not a position or statement of

anything. ... but rather a confirmation of Trump's lack of stability and full lack of any cooperation with anything.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

11. A self pardon will be useless....

Because Trump has to admit and ACCEPT he is guilty of the crimes for which he pardoned himself at the Federal level. THAT he will NEVER do. He will BLAME others first. He can be arrested for new Federal Crimes AFTER leaving office that are not covered in a pardon.

Even with a pardon, he will lose his 5th Amendment right to self incrimination, and can be subpoenaed for documents, etc., for State crimes, be arrested etc. So Trump is not out of the woods when it comes LEGAL problems facing him once January 20th rolls around. Nor are his spawn safe from the same fate.

[flamingdem]

13. Biden said he won't pardon him

Why should he - we need scorched earth against Trump and Co. or they'll return with more virility and menace.

[RKP5637]

24. Exactly!!! n/t

[BainsBane]

14. I don't think he'll pardon Trump

but I don't think he'll have him prosecuted either.

[still_one]

15. Biden is not going to pardon trump. I don't know who is pushing that B.S.

[RKP5637]

26. I've seen that postulated in a number of places, and I think it's pure BS. Biden is

NOT going to pardon Trump. My position was/is there is no end to Trump's lunacy.

[still_one]

33. I agree

[Firestorm49]

16. Since Trump has ignored precedent and violated long established norms....

like complying with legally ordered subpoenas, then don’t worry about taking a page from his playbook and jail him as soon as the numerous guilty verdicts are delivered.

I wouldn’t worry about jailing a well documented scoundrel. Incarcerating him will 1) renew belief in standards of decency that Trump has disemboweled and 2) probably set off a whole bunch of unrest - his idiot lower end base. But, we can deal with them.

Pardon a fascist? No! Let him be the first president to truly pay for his life of criminality. I see nothing wrong in that. Jailing him will do more to restore faith in our system of justice than letting him loose to resume the destruction of the country that thousands have died for to protect.

[Totally Tunsie]

17. A thought not worth thinking.

Chump and Pencie will take care of any pardons first.

[GoCubsGo]

18. Biden has already said he will not pardon Trump.

Do you think he lied when he said that?

[RKP5637]

28. I did NOT say Biden will pardon Trump. Fuck, I often wonder what I bother having

a dissertation on DU. Words get put into ones mouth.

[gulliver]

19. Biden might want to pardon Trump before Trump is convicted or after.

Or not at all, of course.

If Biden pardons Trump before any indictments, Trump will say there were never going to be any indictments. If Biden pardons Trump after conviction, that would mean waiting through perhaps years of trials. Trump and the Republicans would claim persecution and flood the media with lies about Trump being innocent as a newborn babe.

Trump would probably like to go to jail for a short period so he could do "Orange is the new Orange" for his fan base.

[peggysue2]

20. Why can't we take Joe Biden at his word?

He hasn't lied to the public in the way we've been lied to for the last 4 years. That's Trump's gig.

Biden said earlier that he would leave this up to his Justice Department, that they would make whatever decision they would make, independently. That's the way it should work.

Really, don't we have enough on our plates at the moment? We need to focus on supporting the incoming Administration, getting it off the ground rather than dredging up negative scenarios of 'what ifs'.

I'm coming to the conclusion, we're all traumatized by the last 4 years of an out-of-control WH, a PTSD moment.

Focus, friends. Focus.

[SidDithers]

25. "If" my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle...nt

Sid

[StarfishSaver]

27. Why is this even a thing?

There's absolutely no indication that Biden is even considering a pardon.

[RKP5637]

29. It's been said that could be a way to quiet Trump down. I think it's damn foolishness.

I was curious what DU thought, that's why I said "IF!" NO, I do not think Biden would EVER pardon Trump. Often DU runs with things they felt someone said or implied.

[Kaleva]

36. It's meaningless unless Biden actually said it.

[RKP5637]

38. No, I don't think Biden ever said anything like that. He did say he didn't want his

entire presidency to be consumed with Trump investigations, something like that. Yep, makes sense to me.

[Kaleva]

39. Biden doesn't appear to have an issue with his DOJ going after Trump

If there is evidence that supports it.