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States, like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, need to stop electing Repuke state legislators. (Original Post) MoonRiver Nov 2020 OP
Add Wisconsin to that group. n/t Greybnk48 Nov 2020 #1
Ok MoonRiver Nov 2020 #2
Everybody does. Iggo Nov 2020 #3
Why? I really don't understand. MoonRiver Nov 2020 #5
SC already said gerrymandering is ok exboyfil Nov 2020 #4
There's a deeeep bench of hateful white males in these states. NCDem47 Nov 2020 #6
They don't. Gerrymandering does. enki23 Nov 2020 #7
Gerrymandering is extremely bad in Wisconsin Poiuyt Nov 2020 #11
Absolutely true about Wisconsin gerrymander! Greybnk48 Nov 2020 #13
All states need to stop electing Repukes! LeftInTX Nov 2020 #8
I would love WI to be less gerrymandered. Hopefully, we can get something more manageable 33taw Nov 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 33taw Nov 2020 #10
Talk to Gerry. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #12
There are some parts of Michigan that have almost no Democrats gollygee Nov 2020 #14
Out side of the cities in PA, there is what used to be called Alabama...and they are districts that Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #15
It's not just the Alabama part Freddie Nov 2020 #18
The only reason they do is gerrymandering maxrandb Nov 2020 #16
Dems need to start moving to the rural towns. gulliver Nov 2020 #17
Assholes, like the Koch Brothers et al, must be stopped from pouring billions of dollars Cal Carpenter Nov 2020 #19
In 2010, the Rs did an extreme gerry-mander of the PA state house DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #20
Most people pay little or no attention to who their PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #21

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
4. SC already said gerrymandering is ok
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

It just so happens to also have a disparate impact on minority voters, but ok if done for political purposes.

That was 5-4 with Ginsberg. Guess what it will be with Barrett.

enki23

(7,787 posts)
7. They don't. Gerrymandering does.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:14 PM
Nov 2020

Time to accept these truths:

1) there are an enormous number of outright fucking fascists in the USA who do not give a fuck about democracy except when it directly benefits them. We call them "Republicans" most of the time.
2) Many of those people are in charge of drawing congressional districts giving them an enormous advantage

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
11. Gerrymandering is extremely bad in Wisconsin
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:23 PM
Nov 2020

Most people in WI vote Democratically, but the Republicans retain the power.

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
13. Absolutely true about Wisconsin gerrymander!
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:29 PM
Nov 2020

Paul Ryan won elections he should never have, and Robin Vos does too, just to name two. We will never escape minority rule in Wisconsin without legit district maps--one's that don't look like seahorses.

33taw

(2,439 posts)
9. I would love WI to be less gerrymandered. Hopefully, we can get something more manageable
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:22 PM
Nov 2020

in 2022 with Evers. We’ll see.

Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. There are some parts of Michigan that have almost no Democrats
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:30 PM
Nov 2020

Those areas are going to have Republican state legislators. Who apparently get bribed by the president in the hotel lobby he owns after a meeting that supposedly wasn't about election interference.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
15. Out side of the cities in PA, there is what used to be called Alabama...and they are districts that
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

have representatives. This is why they control the legislatures and why we need a 50 state strategy to elect our folk state wide as well as national elections.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
18. It's not just the Alabama part
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:54 PM
Nov 2020

I’m in purple-blue Bucks County and we can’t get rid of our Repug state rep no matter what. He does a lot of favors for constituents and comes across as the “reasonable moderate” guy who only cares about local issues. Then he goes back to Harrisburg and votes in lockstep with the rest of the RWNJs and nobody seems to care.

maxrandb

(15,320 posts)
16. The only reason they do is gerrymandering
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

Dems hold all "state-wide" offices in those states.

Koch and other billionaires worked for decades to surgically gerrymander every place where the rules allowed them to.

They so ratfucked the states, Retrumplicans could get 48% of a states total vote and still get 65-70% of the states representation.

Thank God Dems came out and gave us Democratic Governors and Secretaries of State in WI, MI and PA or we'd be seriously ducked.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
17. Dems need to start moving to the rural towns.
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

Now that we're starting to see how effective WFH is, it should be more and more possible for Dems to move out to the sticks. I personally would love to. As long as we're concentrated into big cities and metro areas, we're easy targets for gerrymandering.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
19. Assholes, like the Koch Brothers et al, must be stopped from pouring billions of dollars
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

into state election manipulation for decades with anti-union rhetoric, campaigns against small-d democratic ballot proposals (eg redistricting, right to work), and campaign support for the worst of the opportunistic RW power hungry fuckheads running for state legislatures.

Point being, there's nothing easy about this. Before election day happens, years of propaganda, infiltration, think tanks, foundations, and billionaires mean in a lot of states there are no real choices, and there is no real sense of truth.

I've watched the anti-union shit help destroy Michigan my whole life. I've also seen thousands of union workers organize and protest at in Lansing, Detroit, and elsewhere. But it's no match for the literal billions of dollars assholes like the Kochs have spent on destroying any chance of Dem majorities in our states. You'll notice Trump lost ALL of those states this month. We are doing the best we can.

Sorry if I sound feisty, but the "so easily" part of your comment hit me funny given how hard people here are working do exactly what you're suggesting vs what we're up against.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
20. In 2010, the Rs did an extreme gerry-mander of the PA state house
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:00 PM
Nov 2020

and to a lesser extent state senate districts. It it extremely hard to pick up seats although Dems did net 11 in 2018 although they lost a few back this go-round.

It will be different in 2022 with a Dem governor and Rs not having the votes to override a veto of whatever map they produce.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,841 posts)
21. Most people pay little or no attention to who their
Sat Nov 21, 2020, 04:02 PM
Nov 2020

state representatives or senators are. That's the real problem.

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