Why the House should Impeach?

[kentuck]

It certainly isn't a question of whether or not there is enough evidence to impeach. It is solely a political decision.

Many will ask, what about the upcoming election in Georgia? Why would we want to fire up their base before such an important election? However, that is the wrong question. It is a matter of urgency. We have reached a point that can no longer be ignored.

Some short-sighted individuals will argue, why waste our time with this nonsense? The Republicans will never convict. That may very well be true, but is not the issue either. That is nothing but a weak excuse.

We simply cannot wait until Inauguration Day to make a decision. It is irrelevant that he was impeached before. That was then - this is now. They have a duty to defend our Constitution and our democracy from the acts we are now witnessing.

However, the Democratic majority in the House has been cut to a slim majority. Could Pelosi get her members to support another impeachment? In my opinion, she should call each of them individually and get a head count for impeachment.

If she has the votes, then they should impeach him for subversion of our electoral process and any other charges they may wish to add.

Then, they should send it to McConnell's Senate as if it were a hot potato. Put it smack dab in the middle of their laps. Force them to make a decision. Do they wish to be a Party of Trump or a Party for America?

It's a tough decision but doing nothing is not acceptable. This is no time for hand-wringing and wimpy excuses.

[Laelth]

1. It is certainly worth considering.

That said, I doubt that Pelosi would go for it. Ultimately, it’s her decision.

-Laelth

[kentuck]

2. Yesterday, she called him a "psychopathic nut".

So, she evidently understands the seriousness of the situation.

[Laelth]

3. Cut her some slack. She was being kind. n/t

-Laelth

[kentuck]

5. It has become obvious that he is not going to concede...

..and he will continue to tear down our democracy and our electoral system. That cannot be permitted.

[Laelth]

6. Seriously, though, if he's unfit for office ...

... the 25th Amendment seems like the proper remedy, not impeachment.

Perhaps a House resolution demanding that Pence invoke the 25th could create some useful pressure?



-Laelth

[kentuck]

7. Possibly, but the 25th Amendment takes more votes than an impeachment.

The point is, the Republicans need to take ownership of this mess.

[Blue Owl]

4. Donald tRump is a new breed of president

I don't think anyone in the history of this country calculated just how much of a narcissistic sociopath Donald tRump truly is.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

The country would be much safer, saner, and able to get back on track if Donald tRump was either institutionalized, jailed, or at minimum impeached...

[mtnsnake]

8. He most certainly deserves to be impeached on the grounds that he is starting a coup

which is plainly obvious with how he tried to persuade the Michigan lawmakers to overturn the results in that state with PA next on his list. Yes, he SHOULD be impeached because there isn't anything more serious than someone starting a coup, especially a jerk who just lost a fair election, just so he can remain in power. I doubt that the House will do it, though, considering the GOP senators will never vote to have him removed. If only they could all be impeached as a group for supporting the coup that Trump has been attempting all along.

[kentuck]

10. But it is not up to the Senate to impeach.

That is the duty of the House. They should not ignore it. Let the Senate do with it what they want. (It could keep them busy for a while)

[mtnsnake]

16. I didn't say it was up to the Senate.

I said, "I doubt that the House will do it, though, considering the GOP senators will never vote to have him removed."

Yes, I know it's not up to the Senate to impeach.

[kentuck]

17. Right.

The point I was trying to make was that it doesn't matter what the Senate does. It is the duty of the House to act. It is not enough to say that the Senate will not convict, so therefore they should not impeach. Let them own it. Trump or America?

[mtnsnake]

27. I understand that you want his crimes on record. So do I, but

as much as we all want it to be shown what he has done, do you really want history to show that he was not convicted for a second time?

We know that the Senate would not vote to convict, and I know that doesn't have anything to do with the point you're making, but Trump would treat it as a celebration of him being found innocent on all charges. Knowing he would never be convicted and removed, he would probably welcome another impeachment just to slow things down even more for Team Biden.

[kentuck]

28. It would be better for history to say that the Senate did not convict for a second time...

...than for history to say that the House did not do their job and let him undermine our democracy and our elections and they did nothing.

[mtnsnake]

32. Getting this pandemic under control needs to take precedence over an impeachment where

we already know the outcome and where it would only be for sake of history. For sake of history and more importantly for the immediate future, we need to get to war with the virus, not with the crooked GOP senators which would only slow things down to a crawl.

[NRaleighLiberal]

9. I am 100% all for it.

[world wide wally]

11. The 25th Amendment needs to be expanded on.

Counting on the VP to lead the charge is pointless as we have seen. Perhaps the Congress should be able to vote on that too.

[kentuck]

13. Whatever gets the job done.

In my opinion, he should be impeached and handed over to the Senate. Do they really want Trump to lead them for the next four years? Do any other Republicans have political ambitions? They should look at it as an opportunity to rid themselves of this hemorrhoid.

[PufPuf23]

12. What you prescribe is obvious when decribed as concise and

clear as your op.

[kentuck]

19. Thank you PufPuf !

I will take that as a compliment.

[PufPuf23]

24. Definitely a compliment Sir.

Don't let this go to your head, but you are a great DU poster.

[Bev54]

14. There is sufficient evidence for several charges

for impeachment, don't forget they narrowed it down before but this election bullshit does need to be impeached. I would like to see every charge made against him put it all out there so it is very clear in the history books what this asshole has done.

[kentuck]

15. Exactly!

Put it on the record. I guarantee it would get the attention of one Donald J Trump.

[Demsrule86]

22. Are you kidding...in the middle of a pandemic when people are starving, losing their homes and jobs,

You think the house should engage in a completely useless impeachment where there is not a snow balls chance in hell of winning conviction in the Senate.

[Demsrule86]

26. Impeaching the president would be foolish and pointless as a Senate that won't even admit

Biden won would not convict Trump. And we would probably lose the Georgia Senate races. It is probably the worst thing we could do at this point.

Yeah, it is me again. I think I will merely trash the thread since you are not interested in my opinion. Have a good day.

[kentuck]

29. Please do.

You make no sense. All those millions of Trumpers out there are just waiting to be fired up so they can vote for Trump. Pardon me, but that is nonsense.

[Generic Brad]

18. This will out all the traitors in the House & the Senate

They have a final chance to do the right thing. Those that fail will be on record (again) for subverting democracy. Trump will reward those who supported him with a pardon. That turns over the final rock and we will know exactly who his co-conspirators are.

[Demsrule86]

21. No, we should be all in making sure the vote is certified...the GOP traitors are on record.

[Demsrule86]

20. If it would remove Trump...maybe, but it won't. What would be the points and you would lose the

Georgia Senate races almost certainly. What is this obsession with impeachment when there is no possibility of conviction in the Senate? It is meaningless.

[kentuck]

25. No, you would not lose the Georgia Senate seats.

Get real.

Your argument makes no sense at this time and place, in my opinion.

[tritsofme]

30. This is the sort of thing that makes for a good DU thread, but is being seriously considered

by no one.

[kentuck]

31. I'm sorry you think that.

I hope you are wrong. Maybe after the election is stolen it will look more palatable?

[tritsofme]

33. Trump's desperate last gasps will amount to nothing.

President-elect Biden will take office on 1/20.

You make it sound like there is a live debate in Washington around another impeachment, when really it is under consideration by no one.

[BainsBane]

34. This will NEVER happen

That much is obvious.