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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 04:59 PM Nov 2020

Rudy messes up again - He cannot file at circuit court in PA - He's not admitted there




They may need another lawyer to file papers at 3rd circuit as Giuliani is not admitted there and the only attorney currently on the case who is is designated as inactive

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This lot are a bunch of clowns
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Rudy messes up again - He cannot file at circuit court in PA - He's not admitted there (Original Post) sunonmars Nov 2020 OP
Slippin' Jimmy McGill would do a better job than Rudy and his clown car. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #1
Better call Saul. BGBD Nov 2020 #2
I've been saying that from Day One nt Shermann Nov 2020 #7
This is funny to watch underpants Nov 2020 #3
LOL. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #5
Guess no other lawyer wants to be associated with this hot mess because Rudy yet again..., brush Nov 2020 #4
What would rudy have to have done Cha Nov 2020 #6
Full admission varies from court to court - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #10
TY! Cha Nov 2020 #14
Has Rudy cure his suspension with DC Bar? Gothmog Nov 2020 #15
rudy is as derelict as he appears on Cha Nov 2020 #17
Yes. He took the cheaper route - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #18
Im not sure why this is a problem. I lived with a lawyer, She did federal public defender work. 3Hotdogs Nov 2020 #8
Likely your friend filed a pro hac vice motion, Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #12
Thanks. The day was fun. We drove from Maplewood, N.J. to Philly. 3Hotdogs Nov 2020 #24
These laws are so complicated it would take a lawyer to figure them out. Trump should hire one. Midnight Writer Nov 2020 #9
The law offices of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe are poised and waiting in the wing, just waiting... Brother Buzz Nov 2020 #11
This will be to watch Gothmog Nov 2020 #13
What do you mean I can't file this at the food court at Circuit City? meadowlander Nov 2020 #16
Yeah but Court's Routinely Grant Motions for Admission Pro Hac Vice Stallion Nov 2020 #19
Oh sidney...calling sidney Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #20
Nope Gothmog Nov 2020 #21
Have they found someone to sign the appeal? Gothmog Nov 2020 #22
Trump Campaign Seeks Very Limited Emergency Remedy in Third Circuit, Gothmog Nov 2020 #23
I don't understand Elias' last comment. onenote Nov 2020 #25
Rudy is still not admitted to argue before Third Circuit Gothmog Nov 2020 #26
Oh Rudy chriscan64 Nov 2020 #27
LOL Gothmog Nov 2020 #28
 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
2. Better call Saul.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:01 PM
Nov 2020

He's about the level they are getting to. They'll have to be searching late night TV and the backroom of nail salons to find a lawyer willing to stake their reputation on this.

brush

(53,764 posts)
4. Guess no other lawyer wants to be associated with this hot mess because Rudy yet again...,
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:09 PM
Nov 2020

makes an utter fool of himself.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
10. Full admission varies from court to court -
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:57 PM
Nov 2020

but admission pro hac vice (for this case) is typically just a matter of filing the right paperwork.

Cha

(297,100 posts)
17. rudy is as derelict as he appears on
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 06:16 PM
Nov 2020

tv.. of course trump would hire him as his personal lawyer.

TY, Goth

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
18. Yes. He took the cheaper route -
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 06:17 PM
Nov 2020

he's now in good standing, but inactive (cheaper fee - and he likely didn't have to update his continuing legal education).

BTW - his suspension wasn't really a problem, except for claiming that he was in good standing in a court document. He's fine as long as he has an active license in good standing somewhere. But he just shouldn't have been claiming to be a member in good standing in DC when he wasn't.

3Hotdogs

(12,365 posts)
8. Im not sure why this is a problem. I lived with a lawyer, She did federal public defender work.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:24 PM
Nov 2020

She invited me to watch her present to the appeals court in Philadelphia. She was not admitted to the appropriate bar. As I recall, the prosecutor vouched for her and she was "admitted" and proceeded to win her client's case.

Now this was in the 1980's and my memory gets clouded over the passage of time, but this is how I remember the morning.

If so, why can't the court lie and declare him competent to represent the campaign and get on with it?

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
12. Likely your friend filed a pro hac vice motion,
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:59 PM
Nov 2020

which would let her practice for that case.

It's generally just a matter of filing the right paperwork but since Rudy wasn't even aware of the basic 1st year law school principle that after your first amendment you have to ask permission to file a second amendment, he may have forgotten the basics about temporary admission, too.

3Hotdogs

(12,365 posts)
24. Thanks. The day was fun. We drove from Maplewood, N.J. to Philly.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:51 AM
Nov 2020

My only memory was the opening. Every other court I've been in begins with, "All rise." Then things proceed. This day, I guess the usual bailiff was ill or something. A young man stands up, "Oy ye, Oy ye...." and so forth. But it was clear he was nervous and having difficulty getting through the performance. After his opening admonishment to the assembled proletariat , he exhaled a loud sigh of relief.

-- at which point, I lost it and had to leave the room for a minute.

Brother Buzz

(36,410 posts)
11. The law offices of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe are poised and waiting in the wing, just waiting...
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:59 PM
Nov 2020

for their check to clear the bank

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
19. Yeah but Court's Routinely Grant Motions for Admission Pro Hac Vice
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 06:29 PM
Nov 2020

allowing an attorney licensed in other states to file in jurisdiction. They usually will require attorney to get local co-counsel

Gothmog

(145,079 posts)
23. Trump Campaign Seeks Very Limited Emergency Remedy in Third Circuit,
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 01:57 AM
Nov 2020

No one understand why the trump legal team is doing this https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118980

In a new filing in the Third Circuit (that should appear on the docket tomorrow), the Trump campaign did not ask for the appeals court to issue an immediate order delaying certification, which is what I expected. They do not even ask for an immediate order reversing the trial court’s motion to dismiss and granting some kind of preliminary relief for additional discovery. Instead, the only ask, at least so far, is for an order for the district to consider on the merits the campaign’s proposed Second Amended complaint: “Appellants will request that this Court reverse denial of the Motion to Amend and direct the District Court to promptly decide it on the merits and proceed expeditiously to a hearing to enjoin certifying the results of the Presidential Election (or order decertification if already certified) if the Second Amended Complaint (ECF 172-2) is held to state valid claims.”

This is odd for a number of reasons. First, this is an emergency election case, and it seems crazy to me that if one were litigating over the presidential election one would NOT seek to get appellate review of an adverse ruling as soon as possible. Second, all that this asks for is for the district court to consider the proposed second amended complaint on the merits. Given the scathing ruling on the first amended complaint yesterday, and the similar defects with the second amended complaint (including lack of standing), there’s no reason to expect the district court would reach any different conclusion if it considered the second amended complaint. This is especially true given the deference usually applied to decisions about accepting a second amended complaint. Third, the motion does not even ask the Third Circuit to weigh in on the controlling legal case that was just decided last week by the circuit, something which is potentially the whole ball game on standing in the case.

There are other problems with this filing too, such as the odd claim that “The proposed Second Amended Complaint (ECF 172-2) asserts claims under the Civil Rights Act for violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process clause.” Those clauses are in the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, not the Civil Rights Act.

Just bizarre and weak.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
25. I don't understand Elias' last comment.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 09:08 AM
Nov 2020

The vehicle by which equal protection claims typically are brought is 42 USC 1983 (which is a portion of the Civil Rights Act). Saying that one is asserting a claim under the Civil Rights Act for violations of the equal protection and due process clauses isn't odd -- it's standard practice.

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