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samsingh

(17,595 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:01 PM Nov 2020

when did Republicans become such cowards and traitors

I always believed, if nothing else, that republicans leaders were hawks when it came to American power and security. I felt they didn't care what happened to the average American or how many people were killed by guns. However, i thought there was a line at national security and were brave at that point. Boy was i wrong.

When did repug leaders and i would say many of their supporters become cowards and lovers of foreign enemies?

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when did Republicans become such cowards and traitors (Original Post) samsingh Nov 2020 OP
When did the country become so base? exboyfil Nov 2020 #1
They always were. drray23 Nov 2020 #2
Its a genetic defect. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #3
Reagan years ushered Pantagruel Nov 2020 #4
well, in 1980, the helped keep 52 americans kidnapped in iran for partisan political advantage unblock Nov 2020 #5
When Murdoch convinced them to be. GeorgeGist Nov 2020 #6
This. He made lying their native tongue. CentralMass Nov 2020 #10
The worst of it started around the year 1950, in my opinion DFW Nov 2020 #7
Reasonable people disagree gratuitous Nov 2020 #12
Hoover became head of the FBI in 1924 DFW Nov 2020 #13
Reagan. I'll never forget Oliver North being called a hero for breaking the law because he "was jalan48 Nov 2020 #8
Reagan for sure. Went into overdrive with Bush Jr captain queeg Nov 2020 #9
Nixon did it, really. Laelth Nov 2020 #11

drray23

(7,627 posts)
2. They always were.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:04 PM
Nov 2020

Trump made it ok for them to be openly so by showing that you can be like that, win elections and break laws with little consequence if your party sticks together.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. well, in 1980, the helped keep 52 americans kidnapped in iran for partisan political advantage
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:07 PM
Nov 2020

and they put our troops in further peril by sabotaging peace in vietnam for partisan political advantage in 1968.

so they care very much about national security when it suits them, and not one bit when it doesn't.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
7. The worst of it started around the year 1950, in my opinion
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:17 PM
Nov 2020

In February of that year, Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wisconsin, made his first big attention-getting speech about Communists having penetrated the US government. He was supported by future Trump pal Roy Cohn, and future VP and President Richard Nixon.

One bad turn deserves another.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. Reasonable people disagree
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:40 PM
Nov 2020

But 1950 is a good focal point for when the Republicans really went nutso, and never recovered. Mao's takeover of China (1949), Truman's announcement that the Soviet Union had the Bomb (1949), McCarthy (February 1950), the invasion of South Korea (June 1950), the arrest of Julius Rosenberg (July 1950) were all hammer blows that broke Republicans' brains. There was no shortage of folks who moved into the psychic break and exploited the fear and anger of conservative, but perhaps none so masterful as J. Edgar Hoover.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
13. Hoover became head of the FBI in 1924
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:49 PM
Nov 2020

But until WWII, he mostly chased gangsters. After the Nazis were gone, and the gangsters traded in their tommy guns for checkbooks, chasing "kommanists" apparently became his full-time obsession along with others. But with Hoover, rather than using it as a stepping stone to further his career like McCarthy and Nixon, he was really obsessed with it. In 1950, what upward career movement was he going to consider, anyway?

Reasonable people often disagree with me. As long as it stays reasonable, I'm cool with that. No one ever awarded me a monopoly on reason.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
8. Reagan. I'll never forget Oliver North being called a hero for breaking the law because he "was
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:20 PM
Nov 2020

doing it for the good of the country".

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
11. Nixon did it, really.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:37 PM
Nov 2020

Goldwater was a right-wing loon, but he was honest and honorable. Eisenhower said of Nixon, his Vice President, “I wouldn’t buy a used car from the son-of-a-bitch.”

To my knowledge, Republicans have generally sucked since 1967 (or so), basically all my life.

-Laelth

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