Until today, I was opposed to a 2nd Impeachment Inquiry...

[Fiendish Thingy]

But now, after the announcement of the US withdrawal from the Open Skies treaty, and the destruction of the surveillance planes, I think Pelosi should indeed hold quick hearings before Christmas to impeach Trump once again, and put the GOP senate on the spot to uphold national security.

Regardless, of whether that happens, the Biden DOJ must prosecute those who carried out those unlawful orders (the law requires consultation with congress 4 months before withdrawal from the treaty) in withdrawing from the treaty and destroying the planes.

[JI7]

1. We have Georgia Senate races which are more important

[Fiendish Thingy]

2. National security isn't important?

The withdrawal from Open Skies could give Putin Carte Blanche to move on Eastern Europe before the US and NATO put their pants on.

[mzmolly]

5. No security period with a McConnel

led Senate. Impeachment will do nothing useful as he will not be removed.

[cstanleytech]

20. "National security isn't important?"

They did not say that
Rather they pointed out that we have a runoff election we need to deal with and if we want to have a fighting chance at saving the country from the corruption of the Republican party then we need to win both of the seats.
Otherwise the Republicans will simply do whatever they can to hamstring Biden from doing what he needs to do to fix what the Republicans broke.

[JI7]

7. Georgia is still a conservative state. The democratic candidates will be hurt

by bringing attention to an impeachment trial for someone that is going to leave office soon.

Majority of white people still support Trump.

[Demsrule86]

15. What are you talking about...two more 'reds' give us the majority.

We can't save the planes... we can build new ones.

[pnwmom]

19. What is the conflict?

[JI7]

21. The Senate Candidates need the vote of some of the Trump supporters to win

[pnwmom]

24. OR they need to votes of everyone who voted for Biden -- he won the state. nt

[JI7]

25. It was VERY close and some of those that voted for him were Anti Trump Republicans

that will vote Republican in any other race.

[spanone]

4. K&R

[bdamomma]

6. Open Skies Treaty

was not even discussed with Congress. I still think our next removal should be to change the Majority Senate Leader, we need to get those 2 seats. We need to do this it will be our sweet revenge.

[llashram]

8. what destruction of surveillance planes?

I missed that one. on edit: just researched it, Okay, never knew much about that agreement. Trump is such a low life idiot letting Miller fuck up our country and its worldwide relations like this. Not to mention national security.

[proud patriot]

11. Rachel covered it tonight

[OneBro]

18. Here's a link.

Last edited Tue Nov 24, 2020, 02:38 AM - Edit history (2)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-exits-open-skies-treaty-moves-to-discard-observation-planes-11606055371?mod=hp_lead_pos3

[Dem2]

12. I just had a terrible thought Re: Open Skies and Rump/Putin/Russia

Those planes and all the documentation for that project needs to be seized and held as evidence immediately!

[hvn_nbr_2]

28. I had a more terrible thought about it

This was not a "gift" to Putin. It was abject obeisance to Putin. Between now and one week after inauguration day, I expect Putin to invade at least one country, probably Ukraine, possibly Belarus, and conceivably even the Baltic states.

[Dem2]

29. I see no option off the table

This is a disgrace at minimum, treason at worst.

[tritsofme]

13. There's not going to be another impeachment, so there is no real point in debating its merits.

[Demsrule86]

14. No, The senate won't toss the orange asshole so what is the point? We need to win

the Senate races in Georgia.

[Catch2.2]

17. I agree 100%....Come on Dems!!!

There needs to be consequences for their actions!!!

[tiptonic]

22. Why destroy

Why destroy the aircraft? Anyone have any idea, what those things cost, multiple millions of dollars. Guess Benedict donald, is trying make Putin happy, again. This whole thing smells of treason.

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. So Biden can't simply reverse the decision on January 20

The treaty only allows specific, approved aircraft to be used in the flyovers, so they couldn’t be quickly replaced by other surveillance planes, and the modern upgraded versions were cancelled this summer by Esper.

So, even if Biden tries to resurrect the program, there would be enough delay getting back on line that Putin could pull all sorts of fascist mischief.

[Polybius]

26. If we do this, we lose both GA Senate seats

We need to win.

[OneBro]

27. Related article discussing the destruction of the planes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-exits-open-skies-treaty-moves-to-discard-observation-planes-11606055371?mod=hp_lead_pos3